What happened to ubunchu.net?

[Anton Ekblad]

It would seem that ubunchu.net is experiencing some problems. The pages for the individual chapters are readily available, but the front page seems, well, a bit dysfunctional. (Among other things, it doesn't contain any links to the chapters and the CSS seems to be gone.)

What's going on, and is any help needed to sort it out?

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 07:06 -0700, Anton Ekblad wrote:
> What's going on, and is any help needed to sort it out?

Hey Anton,

It looks like the website's been brought down by the web host company.
Looks like they must have changed their policy on .htaccess files and
what settings can be effectively changed.

It might be a signal to change hosting providers to somewhere we have
complete control.

What help can you provide Anton?

Martin,

[Blek]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Martin Owens <doct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It might be a signal to change hosting providers to somewhere we have
> complete control.
>

freehostia 0$ hosting plan seems legit. :)

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 03:59 +0800, Blek wrote:
>
> freehostia 0$ hosting plan seems legit. :)

I'm actually surprised we haven't gotten any sponsorship from the
motherships. Either Canonical or Areiline (sp?). I figured one of them
would be interested in English flavoured Ubuntu manga. especially for
the ubuntu software center.

But no, it appears they both have no real clue how to make money of this
and us here have our hands bound by the non-commercial clause of the
creative commons license. So we're stuck having to do everything
ourselves.

thoughts anyone?

Martin,

[Anton Ekblad]

If hosting space is needed, I have room on my NearlyFreeSpeech.net account (assuming ubunchu.net doesn't produce extreme amounts of traffic as that's crazy expensive with NFSN, but I assume it doesn't). As soon as I land a job (which looks to be any day now - the job market is surprisingly good when you're sitting on a fresh comp-sci MSc) I'll be investing in a VPS on Iceland and moving all my stuff there instead, meaning I'll have even better opportunities for hosting. I'm also available if any technical help is needed (although I guess it isn't, as the page worked just fine before the hosting provider started acting up).

As for help from Canonical, I would assume that the NC clause is a real turnoff for them; Ubunchu! would seem to be rather good for marketing, meaning that any economical assistance could possibly be seen as commercial use. (That's the main reason why I dislike NC - it's increadibly unclear what constitutes "commercial use", though I can definitely see why a company, in a misguided attempt to protect their assets, would want the NC clause on anything and everything it's paying for.)

[Edgar "Fast Edi" Hoffmann]

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Hello.
As a frequent reader, just a question: Who set the NC? I think, the original author could change the CC-licence. Has anyone contacted Canonical so far?

Greetings from Germany
Edgar "Fast Edi" Hoffmann



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[Blek]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Edgar "Fast Edi" Hoffmann
<freieso...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> Hello.
> As a frequent reader, just a question: Who set the NC? I think, the original author could change the CC-licence.

Aside from willing or not, can that be possible? Lawyer, show up please...!
*drawpentagramsummoninglawyer*

> Has anyone contacted Canonical so far?
>

As far as I know, no. Can you suggest what should be written?

[Blek]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Blek <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Edgar "Fast Edi" Hoffmann
> <freieso...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> As a frequent reader, just a question: Who set the NC? I think, the original author could change the CC-licence.
>
> Aside from willing or not, can that be possible? Lawyer, show up please...!
> *drawpentagramsummoninglawyer*

Oh, and yes, the original author did set the NC. :)
http://seotch.wordpress.com/ubunchu/

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[Blek]

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Anton Ekblad <an...@ekblad.cc> wrote:
> If hosting space is needed, I have room on my NearlyFreeSpeech.net account
> (assuming ubunchu.net doesn't produce extreme amounts of traffic as that's
> crazy expensive with NFSN, but I assume it doesn't).

Well, if there is or will be heavy traffic, we can always use those
free file hosting services during release.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Owens <doct...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm actually surprised we haven't gotten any sponsorship from the
> motherships. Either Canonical or Areiline (sp?). I figured one of them
> would be interested in English flavoured Ubuntu manga. especially for
> the ubuntu software center.

Can someone explain to me about this "ubuntu software center" part? I
am confused, since Ubunchu, as far as I know, is not a software. And
what is Areiline? I googled it and came up with no good result.

[Barry Peddycord]

IIRC, Aerial Line agreed to NC as part of a compromise with Seotch, but
it's been a while. :)

~ Barry

[Martin Owens]

On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 03:47 +0800, Blek wrote:
> Well, if there is or will be heavy traffic, we can always use those
> free file hosting services during release.

I would veto any solution that involved those free file hosting sites,
they're nothing but trouble. We have plenty of resources through various
channels even for a large site. It's just a matter of getting them
together.

Martin,

[Blek]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Barry Peddycord <ishar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> IIRC, Aerial Line agreed to NC as part of a compromise with Seotch, but
> it's been a while. :)
>
> ~ Barry

If that so, is it possible for Seotch to re-release it under another
creative common license without Aerial Line's approval?

Oh, and now I get it, Areiline IS Aerial Line, right? How stupid I
am... =)) =)) =))
*facepalmingwithhammer*

[Anton Ekblad]

Well, Aerial Line is seotch's blog; the compromise is with ASCII, who publishes (published, I guess, since any new chapters seem to be quite far off on the horizon ATM) Ubunchu, and as ASCII are paying for the work, they own the copyright and so they set the licensing terms. For a license change, you'd have to convince ASCII it's in their best interest to remove the NC part, which, I suspect, would be quite hard.

On Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:52:31 UTC+2, blek wrote:

[Anton Ekblad]

Agreed; for one, they're a complete pain in the ass to use. Also, considering Megaupload's fate, it's just a matter of time before whatever provider we chose went down in flames due to one FBI raid or another. Also, when I get this VPS thing off the ground I'll have at least two TB of transfer per month to waste; I highly doubt Ubunchu! would generate that sort of traffic (two terabytes is roughly 350 000 chapter downloads), and my own projects most certainly don't.

[Blek]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Anton Ekblad <an...@ekblad.cc> wrote:
> Agreed; for one, they're a complete pain in the ass to use. Also,
> considering Megaupload's fate, it's just a matter of time before whatever
> provider we chose went down in flames due to one FBI raid or another. Also,
> when I get this VPS thing off the ground I'll have at least two TB of
> transfer per month to waste; I highly doubt Ubunchu! would generate that
> sort of traffic (two terabytes is roughly 350 000 chapter downloads), and my
> own projects most certainly don't.
>

Actually, what I meant is if there is a new release, instead putting
it first in the official storage, draining traffic and things, we can
put it into those fileserver instead, and then, after it is cooling
down, well, it goes where it belongs. But yessire of course it is just
a mere silly idea now after hearing how much your VPS can handle. :))

[Lennart Weller]

How much traffic are we generally talking about? If we can live with
less than say 2TB/month I could
provide a decently sized vm hosted in Germany. Or 100GB/300GB in UK and
US respectively.

Lennart

[Sadiq S]

Hey,

If hosting is needed, I have Linodes lying around not really doing
much at the moment (with plenty of bandwidth).

If I can help in any way, please let me know.

Regards,
Sadiq S

[Martin Owens]

On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:56 -0700, Anton Ekblad wrote:
> Well, Aerial Line is seotch's blog; the compromise is with ASCII, who
> publishes (published, I guess, since any new chapters seem to be quite
> far
> off on the horizon ATM) Ubunchu, and as ASCII are paying for the work,
> they
> own the copyright and so they set the licensing terms. For a license
> change, you'd have to convince ASCII it's in their best interest to
> remove
> the NC part, which, I suspect, would be quite hard.

I suspect that we might run into a Japanese copyright issue here. I know
in the USA if you work for someone then it's work for hire and copyright
is transfered (unless otherwise agreed). But I'm not sure what the
situation in Japan is, I thought it was more complex than that.
Something for ASCII's lawyers no doubt and we'd need Japanese speaking
boots on the ground for that.

Martin,

[Blek]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Sylvain Ribeyrot
<sylvai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CC by NC creative common by no-comerce and then where is te problem ?
>
> For volunteer, why not ? Impossible is not french, do you know , ;-)

I believe it is all about spare time and lack of volunteer. :)

[Jordan Shikany]

Yea, and if you did a really rough translation, you could use the Romaji version and put it through a Romaji to english translator. No language skills required! ^_^

[Martin Owens]

Hey Vince,

ubunchu.net is linked already.

I'm not sure why the website broke like it did. Did someone do a new
one?

Martin,

On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 02:16 -0700, Vince C wrote:
> What exactly do we need/need to do, to get the new website up and
> running?
>
> Also I notice that you have a pretty decent (at least in terms of
> obtaining
> releases) website here: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/c8.html
> Why not just buy the ubunchu.net/com/org domain and then link it to
> your
> website above?

[pd12]

I just discovered ubunchu this week so I wouldn't know about another website, though All the websites I've seen are yours, aerialline and seotch 's wordpress.

I don't know what setup the website and domain is like but I think you need to either make a homepage (like index.html/front.html) on your http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/
or link ubunchu.net to http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/c or http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/front and make that /front point to a frontpage/homepage.

Regards,

[Anton Ekblad]

Volunteering to create and host new website if needed (job landed, currency acquired, bandwidth afforded). Martin, do you have sources/templates/documentation/other stuff for the old website? I think it looked pretty nice, so reusing as much stuff as possible from it would probably be a good idea.