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[Joan Advincula]

Hey Sean,

This should be in a different thread and I don't know if changing the subject will work but...

I think you should just start building away but you should also make sure to coordinate with John.

What are you planning about hosting domain, Sean?

I've attached my contribution if it will help any. It hasn't been updated since before Haiyan.

Best,
Joan Advincula
UoPeople Student Ambassador
@iamMJae

On Mar 25, 2014 10:53 AM, "Sean Brady" <seanb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also one last question,

I can get the forums for the ACM student chapter website up and running fairly quick on a temporary server if that suits.

It will be PHP for the forum as it the best overall for our needs.

Is it okay to proceed? After the forums are finished, the technical infrastructure for the main informative page will be created based upon the design created previously by a fellow student.

Regards,

Sean.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Sean Brady <seanb...@gmail.com> wrote:

In reference to the post by Ateafac...

Dear students and group,

Will I just start building the technical infrastructure for the web site or does further suggestions from anyone need to be contacted before starting?

Regards,

Sean.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Ateafac S. F <atea...@gmail.com> wrote:

A deetailed response to Sean's post.

In reference to the posting list sent out:

-          Joan Advincula – chapter chair

-          Angela Lubianca C. – Secretary / Treasurer

-          John Mboru – Vice chair / External affairs / Head of committee

-          Rafael Victor  - committee member

-          Ateafac S. Forsong – web master

-          Dr.  Dan Taipala – Chapter sponsor

Which ones remain and which are left to be filled?

Following the long period of inactivity we went through, I realized our chapter is closing up and no one bothered [especially the officers] about the chapter anymore. For Joan’s case as the chair who bears the responsibility of galvanizing the group and keep things running, she was hit by a fatal tragedy which we all know. For that reason, I personally do not have any blames on her. That said, the mandate for officiating the chapter is valid only for one academic year [Article: IV], so we have every legality to reshuffle the officiating team and that is exactly what is suggested in the Road Map for 2014. The suggestions are based on who is available and who is willing to make valuable contributions right now. So, Joan indicated her circumstances resulting from the tragedy, where she has network challenges and can barely text. Three reasons justify my decision to step up as our next chair which are as follows, and I would not come back to explanation again in the future:

-          Joan is not entirely available as before given her present circumstances as explained above.

-          The mandate for current officers has expired

-          I am tremendously motivated to get our chapter up to the next level

I believe these reasons need no further explanations and I encourage all of us to complement each other and orientate our energy towards the same direction as a team and it would easier to move forward. Comments that disorientate the group are not welcomed and we should learn from past failures.

I will put myself forward for the webmaster in reference to this "John posted a sincere feedback indicating that he is not competent enough to fill the role of webmastering our website since he is an Economic student." But I believe
Ateafac is the webmaster, I didn't realise John was involved in it as the Vice chair / External affairs / Head of committee.

First, thank you for stepping up and willing to fill the role of webmaster for our chapter and contribute so we can move forward. We consider the role of webmaster filled by Sean and you can take your time and start building gradually, by the time we get a remote server space (hopefully from ACM when we register), we can migrate there immediately without stress.

Secondly, thank you for being here despite our multitudes of tasks regarding studies and daily life.

"the role of committee member(s)"

For one thing that I know, committees are more useful in large organizations. A committee is a group of persons subordinate to a larger group who have the responsibility to sit back and think for the organization. Make suggestions and take decisions on behave of the organization. You could have committees like board of directors, executive committees, etc. For lack of members, we can accumulate roles such that Rafael and John can continue to be committee members.

Added to that, Rafael can be our next secretary for reasons that:

-          Angela also indicated she will only be partially engaged since she doesn’t have much time in her hands right now. The role of secretary is suitable for Rafael or Angela because they have access to resources that can permit them do financial transactions easily such as credit cards and other payment options which we greatly lack here in my area. I truly wish, Rafael can step up for the role of secretary/treasurer.

The updated list:

-          Chair – Ateafac S. Forsong

-          Vice chair – Joan Advincula

-          Secretary/Treasuere – Rafael [suggestion]

-          External affairs / Head of committee – John Mboru

-          Webmaster – Sean

-          Sponsor – Dan Taipala (Ph.D)

Please, post up your feedbacks and help us continue to move with this renewed commitment.

- Ateafac

UoPeople Student Ambassidor

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Sean Brady <seanb...@gmail.com> wrote:

"the role of committee member(s)"

I thought Rafael was taking care of this.

Regards,

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Sean Brady <seanb...@gmail.com> wrote:

In reference to the posting list sent out:

-          Joan Advincula – chapter chair

-          Angela Lubianca C. – Secretary / Treasurer

-          John Mboru – Vice chair / External affairs / Head of committee

-          Rafael Victor  - committee member

-          Ateafac S. Forsong – web master

-          Dr.  Dan Taipala – Chapter sponsor

Which ones remain and which are left to be filled?

I will put myself forward for the webmaster in reference to this "John posted a sincere feedback indicating that he is not competent enough to fill the role of webmastering our website since he is an Economic student." But I believe
Ateafac is the webmaster, I didn't realise John was involved in it as the Vice chair / External affairs / Head of committee.

Regards,

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Ateafac S. F <atea...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

To compile the list to be forwarded to the hierarchy, we need to know the active members now present even  though most may not be aware that we are up and working again.

Another reason, there are officer posts that are still suspending without concrete persons to fill the roles. Such as the role of an active secretary because since I posted the Road Map (RM) one month ago (Feb. 19), Angela has not shown indications that she will continue to fill this role as was suggested in the RM.

Secondly, John posted a sincere feedback indicating that he is not competent enough to fill the role of webmastering our website since he is an Economic student. We need to step up and stop thinkering, are we not computer science students?

Thirdly, the role of committee member(s) which is still suspeding without concrete persons to help here.

So, please indicate your presence and step up for any of these posts before the end of the week since I will be forwarding all this information Monday after exams.

Goodluck with end of term exams.

Sincerely
Ateafac

UoPeople Student Ambassidor.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Sean, Joan,

Just transfered the thread here, the other one looks messy and confusing.

Joan wrote
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Hey Sean,

This should be in a different thread and I don't know if changing the subject will work but...

I think you should just start building away but you should also make sure to coordinate with John.

What are you planning about hosting domain, Sean?

I've attached my contribution if it will help any. It hasn't been updated since before Haiyan.

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I can get the forums for the ACM student chapter website up and running fairly quick on a temporary server if that suits.

It will be PHP for the forum as it the best overall for our needs.

Is it okay to proceed? After the forums are finished, the technical infrastructure for the main informative page will be created based upon the design created previously by a fellow student.

Regards,

Sean.

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Dear students and group,

Will I just start building the technical infrastructure for the web site or does further suggestions from anyone need to be contacted before starting?

Regards,

Sean.
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@Joan

I am not sure I've seen the contributions you attached or do you mean the AdaCamp? Every contribution is required, if you know you have any brilliant  idea, please do not hesitate.

 

@Sean,

"I can get the forums for the ACM student chapter website up and running fairly quick on a temporary server if that suits."

That is the right pace, you got a brilliant idea. Only I wish it is secured since we are an Educational Organization and need not tarnish the image of UoPeople in anyway. Could you please describe this server space, where it is and how safe it is for us to use. It is only temporal and  I personally like the idea and we just need some assurance that this move is the right and safe.

Here is the draft we agreed upon after a legnthy survey: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/10-Lo8Gid9sFJ5R9x3Vo7GQJZ-QqE8d_tHzRBOmsWZCM/edit
You can resource from this and all the other materials here in the forum. https://drive.google.com/?tab=mo&authuser=0#my-drive

@Sean,

You can use PHP or any other tool you feel helpful, we just need to have a website at hand. The benefits of a website are many. All the work we've done here in the Google-group is not known to others except us here and that's one of the reasons we don't have members. A website is necessary and please don't forget tell us how secured the server you are proposing is. Thanks already for your brilliant ideas.

-Ateafac

UoPeople Student Ambassidor

[Sean Brady]

@Sean,

"I can get the forums for the ACM student chapter website up and running fairly quick on a temporary server if that suits."

That is the right pace, you got a brilliant idea. Only I wish it is secured since we are an Educational Organization and need not tarnish the image of UoPeople in anyway. Could you please describe this server space, where it is and how safe it is for us to use. It is only temporal and  I personally like the idea and we just need some assurance that this move is the right and safe.

@Sean,

A website is necessary and please don't forget tell us how secured the server you are proposing is. Thanks already for your brilliant ideas.

I will add this to both email listing that asked the same question.

Frankly, the servers available to us for free will have limited features and security.

I have not even researched any of them yet as I have been busy since the last posting.

I have done this before. A website is only secure as the security and coding measures put in place and this is a progressive thing. Maintenance is 80% of any software project and continuous.

If you want the best you ain't getting it without paying the server providers, security specialists, etc...

Of all the options out there, they change annually. Change is something that will have to handled everytime it comes up.

This is only temporary remember not final.

"We still require that you tell us about the webserver you are proposing, we all need to agree before you go ahead and start developing the website on it."

If someone knows a server supporting PHP and mySQL that suits then please suggest.

I will sourcing it throughout the day and get back to you.

Regards,

Sean

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[Ashiru Ali]

I do not think we need a blade server for our purpose, a simple server with php and mysql would suffice. I have some domains I can create sub-domain and ftp accounts from, for testing.

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[Joan Advincula]

+1 to Ashiru's thoughts.

I was just asking if Sean has access to a server and a domain we can use for our initial purposes because we don't have funds just yet. So, I was wondering what Sean was planning to do about that.

My attachment ended up in a different thread. I'm attaching them here again.

Best,
Joan Advincula
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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi All,

The website attached, is it from Joan? I think its a good job and maybe we should all show off our talents one after another but what use?

Just take a look at what is happening, I uploaded a template few months back, few months later John took control and attempted a few  fixes. Later Sean stepped up to help do something proper and immediately Ali stepped in with other brilliant ideas and out of  a sudden Joan uploads a website template. This is so confusing and sincerely, this is crazy.

Please, please, for once hold your horses and take a break. We need to put things in order before any work again on the website.

The pressing issues:

We need a scretary/treasurer

We need a webmaster

We need committee members

With this information and the membership list we can start a new process by getting our chapter sponsor involve once again.

We don't need any further disorder and from now on everything will be strictly coordinated.

***No Website till further notice!***

-Ateafac

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[Christopher Mburu]

Hi All,

I agree with Mr.Ateefac that there is some pressing issues as indicated above.And I believe we need to concentrate on the initial stages rather than continue hovering over the issue of website.

I think the Chair(Mr.Ateefac) needs first to take the audit of the members.How many are we?We are working on an assumption that we are many and may be we are five or ten e.t.c.Lets us know how many we are and how many are willing to commit for long term.

Moreover,I do not think having different people who have volunteered to work on the website,amount to confusion.If the website was to be done by a single person and other approve or disapprove,this will defeat the whole logic of a student chapter.The chapter is here to encourage,creativity and innovation.Hence,many design just shows our diversity in the group and how much we are passionate about the idea.

I believe you invested a substantial amount of time in the first draft.I also invested approximately,1 hour over the month of December to write the draft.As was working on it,I learned CSS3 and HTML5 languages which I could not have attempted if this chapter was not available.Declaring,you need no more draft,is like saying stop working on them,they are useless to the chapter.

Many draft do not amount to confusion,they amount to creativity,diversity and innovation.We need to reconcile the drafts and come up with the perfect one where each member feels that his/her effort counts.All of us needs to own the chapter by contributing to its development.

Lastly,the approach of coordination may not work in this group.Since no one has moral authority to direct the other.In management of an organization,where the CEO has the power and authority,it is possible.I am not suggesting disorderly and everyone to do whatever s/he wishes.No,I am advocating for a collaborative approach.Where members feels they own the project,their ideas count.If we continue approaching this project from the point of controlling,directing and coordinating we will never move past discussions and initial stages.Everyone should be given a chance and be addressed in dignity and respect without imposing ourselves on others.

We need to create trust and confidence on each other before we start coordinating.We need first to be equal before we accept authority from those who distinguishes themselves as exceptional and capable of leading the group.

Thanks,

John. 

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[Ashiru Ali]

I can handle the web building very efficiently with ease too, according to a plan that has been unanimously agreed upon...

I like the feasibility of the navigation system proposed and attached to this post.

If we have a unanimous YES to it, then we will start to spring up other questions with the plan as the basis.

We will also need graphics designers because I don't rep well as a graphics person.

But first things first, do we have a GO! on the nav system?? Everyone??

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

You sound very condfident and have also given the group reasons to trust in you and support you. I consider  the role of the Web Master for UASC flled by Ali. I encourage the rest of the group to support your initiative. John has opted to assit you in the web project and I believe you two will colloborate peacefully.

It's a good idea you stick to the site plan that we all agreed upon as you've pointed out. Any graphic challenges, I am here.

You have also asked for questions and I think I have a few.

1) How secured is the webserver you are taking us to?

   - Remember we are under the sponsirship of UoPeople through Dr Taipala. So, integrity and ethics must be fully respected. The server should not exposed us to threats and anything that may affect the reputation of UoPeople.

2) - Are we going to pay any fee either for the server or for other services?

3) - Would it be possible to migrate our website from there to its own server space in future without creating any anymousity?

Thank you  for your time,

Ateafac

UoPeople Student Ambassidor

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[Ashiru Ali]

The web server is very secure and it is going to be strictly for development purpose, SEO optimization will be deliberately left out so it doesn't get indexed by search engines for any reason whatsoever.

Off course, once we complete development we will be able to migrate the site to a server provided for us.

There is going to be no fee, its my way of giving back.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

In my opinion, I think it is safe to start building the website and I personally appreciate your effort. I have started writing the report and these new developments will be part of the report.

Best,

Ateafac

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[Joan Advincula]

Hello All,

I'm sorry Ateafac misinterpreted what I meant when I said "Here's my contribution." It's not a template. It was something I put together while we were working out and trying to put together a website last year. I uploaded it because I imagined that the code might be useful but, like I said, "contribution". No one HAD to use it, but it was something anyone CAN use.

And, just to clarify something, this website is the first project of our student chapter. Any project that we create must be something which can be useful for everyone, even the phases of development. Hence, the upload.

Just like John said, he learned quite a bit of CSS3 and HTML while trying to modenize the first one that got uploaded.

For any future endeavors of our student chapter, we must always think like so: every one of them must be something through which we can all benefit from. So, it's like, the process is more important than the product. After all, we're all CS students. In the end, whatever product we might come up with should just be a happy side-effect from the learning we gained from the process.

It's also why I suggested uploading the website code to github.

Now, moving on, Ashiru, thank you so much for your generosity. I know for a fact that servers and domain names cost something so, I hope you have a big enough heart for generosity, enough until we can get official support.

Best,
Joan Advincula
UoPeople Student Ambassador
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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Joan,

You are right, the website is our first major project of the chapter and offers an opportunity for us to expand our knowledge which is good. I remember I said the same thing when the website project was first handed to me. Thanks for the clarification and all these are the challenges that come with working as a team.

Only we do not have a database yet, all those contributions would have been archived and it would be great to look back in the future.

I do get your point about taking the website to github so everyone can participate easily but that could be a lenthy task I think, since not everyone is familiar with the tool. Maybe we could do that after @Ali has finished with the basics by getting it up. Then the rest of the pages and functionalities can be added while we are in github.

For our website, what immediate functionailties do we need? I am starting a different thread for this.

Ateafac

UoPoeple Student Ambassidor

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[Joan Advincula]

Hi Ateafac,

That is exactly why I had to upload it here: because we don't have our own database yet. And it can't just be any database, it has to be one that others can freely access.

I knew for a fact that we're not all familiar with github, even I can't be confident about it despite the fact that I suggested it. But that's what makes it a good new learning. Also, learning it would be very useful since many projects make use of it.

Best,
Joan Advincula
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[Ashiru Ali]

Its okay joan!

You can go ahead and create a github account for the project. I think as CS students, we need to get acquainted with version, and git and github iz one of such system that cannot be overlooked.

So the technically interested ones can visit the github page and create an account whose detail will be submitted to joan to give permission to work on the project.

Thanks
Regards$

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[Joan Advincula]

Yup, something like that was exactly what I was thinking. But I don't have access to the kind of connectivity that can get me to do anything useful with github so, if no one will take on this task yet, it will have to be put off for later.

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Joan Advincula
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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi All,

It's interesting to see the amount of interest in using Github and I understand as a science student we need to know such tools as Ali mentioned.

Given that I  have a Github account and have been using git now for a while, I can share some of my experiences here.

Like I once said, Github is a versioning tool and a platform for open source where peers participate in working on a project. Git keeps tracks of the various versions and changes made to a project in a continuous manner.

When you create a Github account, in  https://github.com/ you can access a shared repository and participate in the development of a project in that repository..

After creating an account in Github, you'll need to install the Git IDE on your local PC through which you'll interact with the remote repositories on Github.

Using Git on your local environment also requires some tutorials but not too challenging. You can now clone a copy of the project into your local machine do modifications, then commit the result back to the original repository in Github.

If you want us to take our website to github, we must first build it to level before taking it there so that poeple will have a good idea on what to add or modify.

I promise to take us to github when the time comes. The right time is after we have lanched it so that we would know exactly what is not functioning correctly and what can be added.
Subsequently, whatever modifications that occur on github, we'll then go back to update it on the website. It would work in progress and I think this is the best professional way to work.

Hope this helps,

Ateafac

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi everyone,

Just to wish all of us a great start for Term 4 and also to remind everyone that we have to continue juggling between our studies and keeping up with the affairs of our chapter.

@Ali, I am wondering whether you have managed to do any work concerning the website project? Please, post any updates if any.

Best of luck to everyone!

Ateafac

UoPeople Student Ambassador

[Ashiru Ali]

Yea Ateefac, I am still working you can follow me up on efoesbeat.com/uopeopleacm. I wld be updating it there with major releases..

Speaking of which, what user registration fields are there going to be for users.

And as you can see, I am having to working with dummy contents wch hav their challenges as well.

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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi Ali,

Kudos for the great job, I think we just need to continue doing fixes as we go. If there is a way to make the login appear instead on the forum page, that'll be much easier for visitors to find.

I have attached a screen shut of how it looks on my browser so you may have an idea on how to position the page. The tabs buttons are a little larger and we may have to fixe that as well. The page loads on the left side of my browser and the header and buttons are not uniformly aligned on the right.

NB: You didn't mention this was a subdomain. Just keep up, it is a giant step.

Ateafac

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[Ashiru Ali]

Okay I see..

you are using an older versions Firefox, the shift is a result of some css3 properties with vendor prefixes, however lets focus on the con tent first, we will correct those with prefixr and polyfills later on.

thanks.

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[Joan Advincula]

Which probably means we need a fallback for people using browsers with less CSS3 support.

But, that should come later because, you're right, Ali, we need content.

What's the plan for this? Is there a plan?

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Joan Advincula
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[Ateafac S. F]

Hi All,

I second Joan in that propsal that "we need a fallback for people using browsers with less CSS3 support." Which means we need backward compatibility for browsers.

Secondly, at this point we need content. Based on past work than re-inventing the wheel, I have included this link to the brainstorming we made at the begining.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCyDayBLlYQdG51WUE1aDhMRTUtU0sxNFBrZkM2bUE&usp=sharing#gid=0

Easy to follow: Match the "Site Pages" column to the suggestions corresponding to each.

GREAT EVENT COMMING UP!!

Next month May 2014 will mark our one year as UoPeople ACM Chapter. What can we do for this event?

My suggestions:

- celebrate in a grand style by reachning out to others

- Publishing an article that's truely  motivating and moving

-or publish our brief history and our accomplishments thus far

-use it as an opportunity to bring in more members

However, the one imprtant tool that can facilitate this is the website. Guys, lets have this website complete before that date, I will post the date here. At least, if we have the home page ready and a full functioning forum and also a membership list, then we are ready to meet that goal.

All the best,

Ateafac.