Website Content
Joan Advincula
Hi all,
I see this discussion didn't manage to get a life of its own so I'm starting a new thread and I'm hoping that you guys will respond.
So, what's being done about website content?
Best,
Joan Advincula
UoPeople Student Ambassador
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Ateafac S. F
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Joan Advincula
Hi Ateafac,
The website is already being built, there's no problem there, but it's filled with *Lorem ipsum*. Since you designed the base of that website, you must have known what you wanted to put in it.
Mind giving us an outline or something about what you wanted to put on the website?
Some might get interested in a topic or two and write something for publishing.
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Joan Advincula
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aremuowolabi39
And how soon the wesite would be launched.
Thanks.
Aremu
Sean Brady
- Functionality?
- Development?
- Presentation?
Regards,
Sean.
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Sean Brady
Polemics always start but once certain triggers appear in people's responses/language use then the best thing is to leave. Basically all mouth no implementation (some are all mouth and some people are just too busy or have other responsibilities which is understandable). I have enough of that during the work day; you have to love project managers.
I have full-time work now with study for IT certifications added to the pile also.
Both of the below points can be taken care of but I will implement them in a way that suits the developer/financier then details for the account will be handed over to the maintenance crew. The financial details will remain with myself.
(Development wise)
I am not stating or promising anything before finding out the situation.
(Financing the hosting wise)
I am not stating or promising anything before finding out the situation.
(Clarification required!!! - each point answered if possible)
What happened to cause this - "its a pity we are still without a website at this point."
Is there a website at present?
Never mind anything external I mean a functional website free/commercial whatever?
Something you click and it goes from page to page or just still an idea with Design documents?
(Additional Point)
"are you still up for a the idea because we need to move beyond this point of having a website while hoping we can get registered some day and build a much functional website at the ACM and migrate stuff there."
For recording purposes: this is the second instance of the fall of development or progress.
Hi Sean,
Its been a while and how are you doing? I remember you were at the point of creating a website for the chapter before some polemics started and its a pity we are still without a website at this point.
Sincerely, are you still up for a the idea because we need to move beyond this point of having a website while hoping we can get registered some day and build a much functional website at the ACM and migrate stuff there.
Sincerely,Ateafac
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Sean Brady <seanb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Out of pure, curiousity what is the status of the site?
- Functionality?
- Development?
- Presentation?
Regards,
Sean.
On 15/07/2014 16:54, aremuowolabi39 wrote:
Is there any way we could have a good looking website,to be used just like other ACM institutions.
And how soon the wesite would be launched.
Thanks.
Aremu
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Sean Brady
What happened to cause this - "its a pity we are still without a website at this point."
No demands on time, no demands on how things should be implemented by someone who is not doing a thing... If that happens again bye. Do it yourself... I want to help but I don't and won't have to put up with perspectives that have not delivered as of this email from the very start of discussing the ACM website creation two years ago.
The website is a necessity and we really need it. Anything simple with a forum for discussions and a page for reporting our activities to the outside public will suffice. Then we need a membership page as well and a home page, I think that's all.
Designs currently created will have to be source once again to ensure any collective finalised designed website segments are implemented as required.
If you feel you can implement something of the sort, then the gesture will be very very welcomed.
You know we are merely volunteering and have no financial backings at the moment.
(Clarification required!!! - each point answered if possible)
Never mind anything external I mean a functional website free/commercial whatever?
Something you click and it goes from page to page or just still an idea with Design documents?
If someone wants to take over and do the site then feel free. Just don't make any statements down the line about not been given time or the possibility of creating something. Two years and nothing.
I am being blunt because stuff has to get done and being politically correct or sensitive has not delivered anything tangible.
Will the appointments of the ACM chapter be revised to remove those who have not meet their duties? Absenteeism should not be acceptable. If there is some way to rectify this then I strongly urge the community to do it. As they say in Russia, "everything rots from the head downwards". I want to make sure that before a physical representation of the chapter is created and released to the world, the people in place to grow it are the best possible from the University's current grouping.
If anyone doesn't like how I am handling this then I will step back and never interrupt the chapter formulation again in such a capacity.
Regards,
Sean Brady.
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Sean Brady
Would it possible to get some clarification of the duties expected by the Webmaster?
Regards,
Sean.
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Sean Brady
Phase implementation details:
- Site base and forum functionality setup.
- Funded for the next two years.
- Nothing to look at for the moment just basic blank website.
Before progressing some things need to be provided/finalized as soon as possible.
! DESIGN
I am not a designer so the site design from a visual standpoint will need to be taken care of.
I can take of things technically but design, coloring and element placement is not my strong point.
! What is expected from my fellow students due to previous experiences with webmaster?
Regarding the position of webmaster, I would like to know what is expected and what other roles are still awaiting filling.
! WORKLOAD will need to be spread out beyond implementation, I am only one man.
There are a lot of duties required beyond the implementation and financing. Outside of this stage, community moderation is something that will have to assigned to designated moderators as I am not a social animal. It will be an ever accumulating workload which shall need to be distributed across interested students more and more over time.
! My current proposed involvement overall.
I will provide support in the form of technical administration/maintenance, backups, website feature expansion and disaster recovery.
! Ever constant fact...
(Time constraints due to come into play throughout my involvement.)
! WHY AM I GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN AND DOING THIS
Because I believe in you all.
Regards,
Sean.
Ateafac S. F
Hi Sean,
I am sincerely grateful for the milestone and I believe all the members feel the same. Infact, this is what we have lacked for quite a long time. Setting goals and meeting them up right away. Please, just keep up with the objective spirit.
As of the 19/07/2014 - The foundation for Milestone One has been implemented.
Phase implementation details:
· Site base and forum functionality setup.
Our best to you, just keep up with the spirit.
· Funded for the next two years.
For this, I lack words and this gesture from you should make a good entry in the chapter’s records. It is great, the way you have given back to UoPeople.
· Nothing to look at for the moment just basic blank website.
It doesn’t, the chapter has
confidence in your efforts and know you are doing the right thing.
Before progressing some things
need to be provided/finalized as soon as possible
! DESIGN
I am not a designer so the site design from a visual standpoint will need to be
taken care of.
I can take of things technically but design, coloring and element placement is
not my strong point.
I would like to volunteer by handling the aspects of look and feel including
graphics and logos. Just let me know when and where to contribute.
! What is expected from my fellow students due to previous experiences
with webmaster?
Regarding the position of webmaster, I would like to know what is expected and
what other roles are still awaiting filling.
Based on the Action Plan earlier drafted by one of our members Angela. It didn’t detailed out duties of the webmaster. But we can continue from there and state the responsibilities of the chapter’s webmaster. Note that this does not apply to Sean but to the webmaster who is Sean. I prefer to continue with the progress and no need waiting for the committee because we need to catch up with your pace. I think the duties I would state here serve like a guide line and the committee should provide a complete definition when it meets next.
Responsibilities of UoPeople ACM Student Webmaster
- Build the chapter website
- Manage the website and perform continual maintenance; this can includes links, database, and other functions
- Work with the marketing team to market the website as required by the chapter
- Do administrative work such as controlling access to resources and forums
- Work in collaboration with other chapter officers to address issues coming from their offices such as sending out emails, newsletters, etc
- Work in collaboration with the chapter sponsor - ask for updates
- IF POSSIBLE, make chapter email accounts available to officers e.g. offi...@uopeople.acm.org
- Consult the right authority before taking any unassigned action that may negatively affect the image of the chapter because the website represents the chapter to the outside world.
- Be professional in your duties as much as possible and keep to the chapter’s bylaws.
! WORKLOAD will need to be spread out beyond implementation, I am only
one man.
There are a lot of duties required beyond the implementation and financing.
Outside of this stage, community moderation is something that will have to
assigned to designated moderators as I am not a social animal. It will be an
ever accumulating workload which shall need to be distributed across interested
students more and more over time.
I like the point but this
would be much easier if we had a content management system such that members with
write access could personally generate content. Hopefully, we would get to this
as we make progress. Also, as membership grows, we could get more volunteers
who could add more hands.
! My current proposed involvement overall.
I will provide support in the form of
technical administration/maintenance, backups, website feature expansion and
disaster recovery.
I agree with these opinions and I took this into consideration while stating
the responsibilities of the webmaster. If there is anything you don’t agree, or
you feel its not necessary, please send feedbacks.
! Ever constant fact...
(Time constraints due to come into play
throughout my involvement.)
We are all squeezing time and I personally appreciate the sacrifice you are doing thus far. We have lacked this for a long time.
! WHY AM I GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN AND DOING THIS
Because I believe in you all.
I had always believed in you right from the first day and do believe in you
even more now and I know other members and the chapter sponsor feel the same.
Once again thank you for giving back just when the chapter badly needed this
kind of progress.
Our best to you,
Ateafac
UoPeople Student Ambassador
Sean Brady
It's nothing ;) Also don't worry about pace, there will be weeks and months where I will not be available.
As of the 20/07/2014 – Requirements for progression:
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Decision → Element Schema (Placement of similar elements for all pages)
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Decision → Specialised Element Schema (Placement of individual elements for all pages)
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Decision → Types of pages (Page Headings, Summary and description)
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Decision → Page Content Ideas/Events from everyone need to be gathered constantly.
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Decision → Following on the possible ideas/events need elaboration.
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Decision → Forum structure, usage flow and content need to worked on.
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Resources → Already design documents need to be collected and synthesised.
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Resources → A brief detailing the design of the remaining areas of the website are needed.
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Resources → Legally required artistic graphics/information need to be gathered.
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Resources → All ideas need a summary and description to ensure their vision is properly transmitted.
I would like to volunteer by handling the aspects of look and feel including graphics and logos. Just let me know when and where to contribute.
The sooner the better. I recommend that you get some help in this department as design is an elusive temptress.
Responsibilities of UoPeople ACM Student Webmaster
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Build the chapter website
Technically yes, Art and Design no
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Manage the website and perform continual maintenance; this can includes links, database, and other functions
From professional experience this will take more than one person. It will be spread out over time.
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Work with the marketing team to market the website as required by the chapter
No problem, but I did do research in terms of other chapter websites and they seem to have a set arrangement with freedom in terms of content but the design is standardised regarding structuring and color scheme.
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Do administrative work such as controlling access to resources and forums (DONE)
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Work in collaboration with other chapter officers to address issues coming from their offices such as sending out emails, newsletters, etc (DONE)
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Work in collaboration with the chapter sponsor - ask for updates (DONE)
This feature is already in place. I just need to sort out some technical details.
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Consult the right authority before taking any unassigned action that may negatively affect the image of the chapter because the website represents the chapter to the outside world.
No problem, will do. Who is that? So I don't contact 5-10 people who don't need to be disturbed.
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Be professional in your duties as much as possible and keep to the chapter’s bylaws.
Always... Emotion and social garbage has got us nowhere before and never will.
I like the point but this would be much easier if we had a content management system such that members with write access could personally generate content. Hopefully, we would get to this as we make progress. Also, as membership grows, we could get more volunteers who could add more hands.
I agree but an agreed upon submission process for review and confirmation of addition will have to be worked out. It's not and cannot be a free for all. Administrative rights will be assigned to a select few but the majority will submit their content to an advisory council for final sign off all content. There has to be controlled processes with guidelines as regards submission. The breakdown of available permission roles is attached. The site owner has the highest access control.
Making the CMS available to contributors (which is already present) will happen down the line after the bulk of the website technical implementation is complete.
I agree with these opinions and I took this into consideration while stating the responsibilities of the webmaster. If there is anything you don’t agree, or you feel its not necessary, please send feedbacks.
No bother, everything is cool.
Regards,
Sean.
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As of the 20/07/2014 – Requirements for progression:
· Decision → Element Schema (Placement of similar elements for all pages)
Placement of similar elements for all pages preferred such as header and footer. This exposes all the resources to the visitor at every point through his/her navigation.
· Decision → Specialised Element Schema (Placement of individual elements for all pages)
Content for each page is different which I think are the individual elements if I understand this point clearly.
· Decision → Types of pages (Page Headings, Summary and description)
Pages headers remain consistent but content headers follow from the page tab such as home page we should have the main heading: Welcome. I think summary here would mean a theme and description should be the actual content of the page. I will start focusing on content development so that it should accompany your work, the web pages should not remain empty.
· Decision → Page Content Ideas/Events from everyone need to be gathered constantly.
We surely, need everyone’s input on this but while waiting for such contributions; we can start working with the draft members contributed which can serve as a guide for developing content.
· Decision → Following on the possible ideas/events need elaboration.
The project is a “work in progress” meaning we would start with trivial and relevant items and add more as we progress.
· Decision → Forum structure, usage flow and content need to worked on.
I suggest a very simple forum such that every new visitor can start posting without any difficulties but each post or thread should be appended to the author’s name. So, a post from X or Y should indicate it’s from X or Y and a time stamp if possible.
· Resources → Already design documents need to be collected and synthesised.
Absolutely, every material contributed into this group can be used where necessary to avoid re-inventing the wheel and also to save time. All threads posted into this forum thus far can be found here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/uasc--pdg
· Resources → A brief detailing the design of the remaining areas of the website are needed.
The navigation tabs in the mockup I just provided are the various pages we need for the website as was agreed upon after a survey from all the members. We could start fletching out from there by starting with the most relevant pages such as:
- Home: relevant: to have a mission statement, welcome statement, links to ACM and UoPeople + additional graphics as I tried to illustrate in the mockup.
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- Events: relevant: calendar of what we have in mind for the next.
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- Projects: not immediately relevant: we would not be having projects until we have tools to manage projects or some training for tools some of us already know such as github were we could jointly build on a target project. I have very exciting projects in mind that I will suggest when time is right.
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- News: relevant: marked as relevant because we need to spread the news far and soon and regularly as possible to galvanize more members and get us known to the rest of the campus and beyond. News items will be published on the News page in a blog format marked by dates of publication.
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- Forum: marked as relevant because from the first launch of the website, this is the area where we welcome and interact with others and new members. Forum access should be very simple and straight forward (by email and user name): email addresses harvested from the forum could be used to send digests later for new threads on a topic like with facebook and other social Medias.
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- Members: relevant because that will be part of our strength as membership grows so we need to know our members. Membership list should appear in the membership page alongside date of membership, year, country, gender, and program (CS or BA). Becoming a member should also be simple and straight forward but the entry into the membership list is done by the webmaster after censorship but members can fill a script that is later censored and updated into the membership list.
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- Officers: relevant because every organization must have officers even if all the post are filled, they will be marked as open and volunteer applicants could be made to fill a post.
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- Bylaws: we have it drafted already which can be found in the “Action plan”.
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- About us: marked as not immediately relevant and would be addressed as time goes.
- Publications: not immediately relevant
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- CS Resources: (Computer Science Resources) – not relevant until we are registered at the ACM because most of these resources will come there.
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- Mailing: Not relevant until the site becomes dynamic with visitors (how can we keep tract of the number of visitors? Probably a “Like” button or a “Thumbs up / down” button).
- Donations: Not immediately relevant since we do not have the application to collect donations.
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- Photo Gallery: This was a brilliant suggestion. To implement this I think users should have a profile for which they can manage their photos.
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- Video Gallery: The same as with photo gallery and a good resource for hosting webinars.
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- App Store: I decided to call it app store instead of gallery because they would be for sale unlike the later.
Note: Do not bother about the details provided above though you asked for them. However, as some of those functionalities might require sophisticated applications or coding for which we do not have time now. They are mentioned just for foreknowledge purposes so that they can be implemented with time. For now, I suggest we do trivial things just to get started and leave more challenging aspects aside for now.
· Resources → Legally required artistic graphics/information need to be gathered.
For graphics, the only obstacle is the time constraint otherwise; I can design anything with a PC if given the right description of what is required. I believe we wouldn’t be missing much on this aspect except the aspect of time.
· Resources → All ideas need a summary and description to ensure their vision is properly transmitted.
DONE: The descriptions I managed to provide above may serve as a summary or clue of what we can develop further.
All the best,
Ateafac
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Sean Brady
Cheers for the update. I wont be available for a while due to work and family. Regards, Sean.
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Ateafac S. F
Officers: relevant because every organization must have officers even if all the post are filled, they will be marked as open and volunteer applicants could be made to fill a post.
Officers: relevant because every organization must have officers and posts that are not filled yet, will be marked as open and volunteer applicants could be made to fill a post.
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Sean Brady
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Ateafac S. F
- we need a menthor to coordinate the forum probably an instructor
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Sean Brady
Do you understand what I have said regarding using a CMS and not from scratch?
Regards,
Sean.
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Sean Brady
Regards,
Sean.
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Sean Brady
Regards,
Sean.
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Sean Brady
Otherwise I will assume that things are progressing in a 'from scratch' fashion and I will leave. I am not sacrificing my efforts in that fashion haven't got the time or more importantly the motivation. My motivation is to get it done and move on.
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Sean.
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Cool bud. There was some info I didnt have also. At least we understand each others view.
I have no right to tell anyone what to do. Personal projects are fine but this project is not yours, its not mine, its everyones so solid reliable base has to used.
Regards,
Sean
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Sean Brady
I am touching base with you and the group because I want ensure the project doesn't stagnate.
Firstly, buying the hosting and the content management system for the quick production of the website & forum was an idea I decided upon without the approval of the group. If the group feel they don't want to continue by simply using purchased features and feel they need to develop their own then I have no problem taking the financial hit associated with the hosting/CMS. I can use it somewhere else. I made the decision on my own and I will pay the price. There is no need for me to force a group of people to use something. I am not here to oppress anyone or limit their freedom.
I know you and the rest of the group can pull it off using a free hosting deal that you can find across the internet and developing then uploading the website to the host. Bare in mind, the website is the easy bit; forum functionality on a grand scale is possible but a tremendous amount of work then maintenance.
I say grand scale because there are about 70,000+ students in University of the People at the moment I think and this will grow to include the poor, unprivileged, lower, low, low-middle, middle income classes of people across the globe. That accumulates to numbers in the millions. From experience maintaining the interactions of all employees of a mid-size company to an international corporation who amount to 150-50,000 employees requires the best technology, the best engineers money can buy plus decades of experience to back it up. Bottom line for this... We have none of these and the numbers are going to surpass the amount poor people with access to a computer for a few hours per week from every country in the world. The perspective has to be on the long game as it's reality. It's no good creating an online presence that crashes and burns after about half a decade. Let the maintenance be handled by providers who supply hosting and a CMS. It's the smarter seasoned option. It's also the business growth of Cisco, grow through acquisition.
If a different method is chosen I honestly cannot be part of it as I simply don't have the time plus I know it won't be stable.
After extracting from other ACM websites which dictate the generic standard the chapter must meet; The website is a simple informational website with forum functionality built-in or linked too. Thats all.
Are you happy about using a CMS?
I don't want to be causing a problem or annoyance.
Just down the line the website and forum functionality will be the least of our worries. Quick and done is the best way as maintenance is going to be a mammoth task in itself.
Regards,
Sean.
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