Edge Base Tone - Guitar + Amp

[TooTone76]

It's rare to hear Edge's base tone - just guitar and amp - No
effects, no EQ. So it's difficult to build the "core" tone without
knowing exactly how it sounds (minus effects and EQ).

Which of these two would you say is closest to the unprocessed sound
of Edge's Les Paul Custom + VOX AC30?

http://soundcloud.com/tootone76/u2-base-tone-les-paul-custom

http://soundcloud.com/tootone76/u2-base-tone-les-paul-custom-1

[Michael O'Hare]

Check out the BBC show on history of guitars.  Edge plays Streets with and without delay.

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[TooTone76]

Is it on YouTube?

Or maybe one of your videos?

I lost all my presets updating SW on my POD (dumb... but I thought I'd
saved everything). I'm starting again now, using a few single presets
I'd saved individually by chance. The core is different on each
though. I'd need another spare day to zero it in again. Previous
attempt was best guess listening to studio albums, now I'd just like
to hear it raw and save some time.

[Jeff Shirkey]

On Dec 5, 2011, at 3:08 PM, TooTone76 wrote:

> It's rare to hear Edge's base tone - just guitar and amp - No
> effects, no EQ.

Go back to the very early days, and it's a lot easier. Of course, he's
not really approaching his overall sound the same way now as he did
back then, so that core tone has changed, maybe substantially.

Jeff

[Pupack]

Also its very important to distinguish live sound and studio album
sound. Its different league.
Im more into studio sound, i like it more, its a secret i like to
reaveal. As you can read in interview, its always mix of different
guitars, amps, many studio gear used etc.
live sound is just vox or fender tweed and more simple arangement.
just for clearence, interview was about Album sound.

L.

[TooTone76]

OK - will try again. Cheers.

[dtc]

Also, yes distinguish between album and live but also be careful with
DVD audio. That is tweaked and polished too to sound almost perfect
and is not a great way to get the "core tone".

Instead I'd recommend getting some Edge IEM (in ear monitor) mixes -
one I got recently is from Anaheim 17th June 2011. You can hear the
guitar so clearly.

Darren

[TooTone76]

I Iike Studio sound too. But, they still sound great Live... and I
mean in the flesh (not recorded)

I was thinking that Edge probably has his amp set up pretty much the
same - studio or live - then let's his minions do the rest.

I don't know that for sure though.

[bonolee07]

I think it's fine discussing this but why does everybody want the
exact same tone as "the Edge" be yourself and get somewhere near and
maybe spend more time playing than tweaking and fiddling to exactly
replicate.
As long as its somewhere near why bother wasting time because unless
you have all his gear you will never get his tone

TooTone76 wrote:
> I Iike Studio sound too. But, they still sound great Live... and Ii

[U2-1980]

...bonolee07: "why does everybody want the

exact same tone as "the Edge" be yourself"

Gasp!!!! Sacrilege! Blasphemer!

lol - kidding of course

[Adam]

I have to agree with you there.
Before i start i know we are all here for the same reason so i do not
mean this to come across as a rant.So i am sorry if it comes across
that way and i hang my head in shame :-(.
I think if you are close to the tone than be happy and play.
Same for the playing,I am not a great guitar player(i play for
myself),but if i get close to what the edge is playing i am happy.I
dont need to know every up and down pick that he does.As i am sure you
know the edge changes things up a lot,so why should we not change it
up to suit our ears and styles of playing.Dont get me wrong i cant
stop changing setting on my gear and would give my right arm,leg and a
couple of other body parts to have edges tone and gear :-).
The average person listening will not know or care if the tone is a
bit off or if there is a bit more drive or delay than there should
be,as long as you are close.

By the way i like the 57mic on bridge,its a nice tone.
The 57 sounds much better than the condenser mic.
I hope i was of some help :-)

[TooTone76]

Unless you have a billion hours to spend endlessly tweaking hundreds
of different expensive effects which you don't own, a quick solution
is to get your guitar and amp sounding roughly like his guitar and
amp.

But... you can do your own thing and put out your interpretation of
any song (not just U2), and you may even make a few bob from doing it.
Every U2 song I heard on acosutic sounds great - its because they are
good songs. I'm just here asking if anyone can tell me how Edge sounds
without all the racks and walls of sound.

Hope you don't mind :)

[TooTone76]

Excuse my dyslexia....

Chrees

[Adam]

As i said Tony i hope you didnt get me wrong I was saying work with
what you have as i think you have a good tone
I was trying to say that the edge changes amp,gear that much that i
dont thing that there much of a base tone to start out with(everyone
will disagree :-P),granted 80% of the time it is the Ac30.Anyway I
like the EBTTRT cover.
I think that your 57 mic on the bridge is a great starting point.
But others my say different.

[TooTone76]

Hi Adam,

thanks... I was answering Bonolee, who asked "why bother wasting
time?". I was just explaining my point of view.

[Adam]

Sorry my bad :-)

[StephaneGuitar]

Well, this is what this board is about : learning to play U2 songs AND
to get Edge tones on the guitar.
Personally, I'm just fond of that. I'm not an artist, I mean in the
creative way. My pleasure is simply to play like Edge, as close as
possible. Hours of tweaking is not a waste of time for me, not more
than making a 1000 piece puzzle for others.
Many other members may feel the same.

[bonolee07]

I didn't mean to have a go at people who try constantly to get his
sound, I love U2 and have done since 1984 when I got into them, I have
always played acoustic guitar but have only started to play U2 songs
on the electric in the last 3 months and I wish I had tried earlier
because it is very interesting because I hate the million miles an
hour guitar playing, always have.
It's just that most people cannot afford 10 guitars and thousands of
pounds of other gear that's all, this group is fantastic and probably
most of us on it are bedroom players and probably don't need more than
a strat a tele a decent cheap valve amp and a delay pedal and that to
be honest will be good enough for the majority.

Cheers

StephaneGuitar wrote:
> Well, this is what this board is about : learning to play U2 songs AND
> to get Edge tones on the guitar.
> Personally, I'm just fond of that. I'm not an artist, I mean in the
> creative way. My pleasure is simply to play like Edge, as close as

> possible. Hours of tweaking is not a waste of time for Wme, not more

> than making a 1000 piece puzzle for others.
> Many other members may feel the same.
>
> On 9 déc, 22:16, bonolee07 <bonole...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > I think it's fine discussingB this but why does everybody want the

[bonolee07]

I didn't mean to have a go at people who try constantly to get his
sound, I love U2 and have done since 1984 when I got into them, I have
always played acoustic guitar but have only started to play U2 songs
on the electric in the last 3 months and I wish I had tried earlier
because it is very interesting because I hate the million miles an
hour guitar playing, always have.
It's just that most people cannot afford 10 guitars and thousands of
pounds of other gear that's all, this group is fantastic and probably
most of us on it are bedroom players and probably don't need more than
a strat a tele a decent cheap valve amp and a delay pedal and that to
be honest will be good enough for the majority.

Cheers

StephaneGuitar wrote:
> Well, this is what this board is about : learning to play U2 songs AND
> to get Edge tones on the guitar.
> Personally, I'm just fond of that. I'm not an artist, I mean in the
> creative way. My pleasure is simply to play like Edge, as close as

> possible. Hours of tweaking is not a waste of time for Wme, not more

> than making a 1000 piece puzzle for others.
> Many other members may feel the same.
>
> On 9 déc, 22:16, bonolee07 <bonole...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > I think it's fine discussingB this but why does everybody want the

[Marco Valverde]

I am interested on this thread. I bought my AC30CC2 amp  and I used it yesterday. It took me a while to figure it out. I am still learning on how to get a good chimey sound from the amp. Please be patient, this is my first real amp. I never had one before. now that I have a real one I have found more tone and sound than before. One example, I used to have Michael settings for Until the end of the world and I tried to use them yesterday and did not work with the new amp. It sounded very distorted, I spent about 4 hours trying to figure out between the amp and the m13, until I noticed it was the drive, it was too muddy for the setting, ended lowing it and voala! it got a good sound.

after 4 hours for the first time, I smelled the amp a little burn. is this kind of normal?

also I ended up using the TOP BOOST with the master volume almost all the way up and a little bit of the TOP BOOST volume with some treble and bass + reverb. is this a good starting point?

What I am trying to ask on this email if there are any good tips to take care of the amp and to give it a good use.

TooTone76 HAS ADDED a Mic "57 Mic On Axis" is this a good practice? I mean why would you need a mic if you have the amp already? I know i am asking a baby question, but would that give a better sound and performance for your amp?

Also if it is good to have one, how do you set it up? do you need to by a sound system with monitors so that you can listen the amp's sound in lower volume and get better sound quality?

Sorry for asking so many questions but I am sure that in this thread there are some people like me getting an amp for the future and this will be a good starting point for them as well.

as always, thanks, for your input, it will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Marco



 

2011/12/10 bonolee07 <bono...@googlemail.com>

[Michael O'Hare]

Marco,

This would be a great starting thread for the "Guitars and Amps" forum under Gear Addiction in the new forum.

Michael

[TooTone76]

One last point for Marco....

Because I managed to lose all my presets/bundles, except a few single
presets I did when I first got my POD, I took those single presets
(which still sounded OK) and stripped them right back to just the Amp
settings.

I noticed that the amp in both cases were set exactly the same, the
only difference was one had the "57 on Axis" the other had the "67
Cond" mic. As you can hear they both sounded very different. That's
why I started to wonder, and why I posted the sounds and the
question.

Marco, - these are POD HD settings only - Pre-Amp + Cab + Mic into a
PC via USB. With a Real AC30 you wouldn't use the pre-amp/cab/mic
settings on the POD at all, you would just use the effects only (that
at least is the intent of the design).

Cheers,

Tony