Still Haven't Found and TimeFactor - Rookie Needs Help!

[Skywagonboy]

Hey Guys,

I am brand new to this group today. Learning my first U2 song with a
brand new Timefactor. The combination is bad I know! haha.

I have watched Mike's video series and I *think* I have set up my TF
somewhat close.

Dly A: 1/8*
Dly B: 1/32 (not sure what this should be??)
Tempo: 105 (not sure...is this right?)

I have the riff going but it is just doesn't sound right. To get the
right timing with the above settings I find I am playing the arrpeggio
really slowly and it "lumbers along."

It would be most helpful if someone who uses a TF and plays this song
could give me some guidance. I am a total rookie. I haven't even
ventured into the other knobs yet but let me know if they will impact
things. I have been just focused on Dly A and B and the tempo for now.

Mark

ps I have an old DD3 that I could put into my pedal chain but I would
rather do it all on my TF if possible.

[Jeff Shirkey]

My advice would be to play it with one delay first. Pick whatever
tempo you like. I prefer the slower tempos from the JT era, and I also
play it in the same key. I think I set that delay to at least 440 ms,
and maybe more like 450. Once you can play the song with one delay
(the main one...the longer one), then add the second delay after
you're comfortable. It's around 220 ms or so, think, and it's not as
prominent in the mix.

Jeff

[Jezza]

i find with this song the pauses between the b and g strings are really important to get the delay to come through. also have another close look ast Michael's tutes and pay attention to the timing... really important Edges stuff sounds great but it is so easy to drop of tempo. have you got a metronome that you can set at 104 and jusat listen to the beats.....?

[Jeff Shirkey]

The best place to see what Edge is doing in this song is from the JT
Paris dvd. It doesn't get any clearer than that. There are no pauses
between the G and B string, btw.

Jeff

[Jezza]

Hi Jeff

Pause is proabably the wrong word but in Part 10: I Still Haven't
Found What I'm Looking For (U2 Tutorials) - Chorus Update Michael has
a slight pause between b and g. That's what I'm picking up anyway. The
tempo doesn't change but a slight pause comes through. In fact I'm
pretty sure Michael talked about it in one of the original videos.. I
might be wrong ...

I thought I was wrong once but it turned out I was mistaken .... ;->

[Edgewannabe]

"I have watched Mike's video series and I *think* I have set up my TF
somewhat close.

Dly A: 1/8*
Dly B: 1/32 (not sure what this should be??)
Tempo: 105 (not sure...is this right?) "

Hmm, I don't know, seems to be the wrong way around to me. Maybe just
turn off the Tempo so you can enter the time in ms you want. Delay a
150ms and delay B around 446 (using the Milan DVD version as example
101bpm). If you want to keep using Tempo on select DelayA 1/16 and
DelayB dotted 8th.

Then turn delay mix all the way up to the B side and then turn it
anticlockwise a little bit to hear the first delay as well. But maybe
keep it all the way to the B side first while you tweak the B delay
parameters. I would use the DigitalDelay or VintageDelay, I would set
the mod to be around 4.2 - 4-5hz, keep any filter around 0 for a start
and then go back to DelayA feedback settings (low feedback, you want
it to be quite subtle when you turn the daly mix a little bit anti
clockwise)

This is how I look at it on a Sunday morning before coffee, and I have
quite limited experience with the TF. Report back what you find out.
EWB

[Michael O'Hare]

ISHFWILF is first and foremost a dotted 8th note fairly high in the mix (at least the more recent versions like Milan, 360, etc).  Older versions Edge had it a little lower in the mix.  I prefer the higher mix and more bounce.  Learn the song with this one delay.

Then for a slightly more subtle effect add a slap back which is what Edge used on the Vertigo tour:

ISHFWILF:

Black/White Strat (bridge/middle)

SDD3000 #1 = 135ms. During the bridge/solo part the SDD3K time changed to 422ms, then back to 135ms after it was over.

2290 #3 settings as follows: .2, 50, 25, 453ms.

I used 446ms at 101 BPM, so the 453ms is very close (human ear can't really hear the difference). So that's the dotted 8th.  I just used 101 BPM and then calc'd the perfect dotted 8th note delay.  453ms just implies a slightly different BPM.

The 135ms is just a very subtle slap back.  For some reason I used a 149ms slap back, slightly higher from 135ms (this was the SDD3k).  This is what Edge used in combination for the entire song except the bridge.  During the bridge the slap back went off and the SDD3k switched to 422ms.   Difference between 135 and 149 isn't that great for a slap back.  But for the 422 I set my proportionately less.  So 422/453 = .931567 X 446 = 415ms.  So for the bridge I used the 446ms and changed the slapback to a 415ms parallel delay.  These sitings were seen multiple times.

Keep in mind the song will sound just fine with just the dotted 8th note delay.  Slap backs are very subtle.

M

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