Texas A&M University Pagan Student Association
Gryphynshadow
I am the new co-chair for the Texas A&M University Pagan Student
Association! I got the job because I volunteered, and the past
co-chair needed a break. :)
I just wanted to let everyone know that Texas A&M does, indeed have a
pagan population! The group meets every week at eight thirty in the
evening. We don't have a topic list just yet, but I am working on it!
For location information, drop me an email!
Also, my roomate is selling Houston Witches Ball tickets, so anyone in
this area that wants tickets can just email me! Or better yet, email
her at witch...@juno.com Ask for Lisl.
Other Bryan College Station pagan stuff:
There is a CUUPS group in town. They meet every month for the full
moon. They also have monthly drum circles.
Every Tuesday at six pm there is a meditation circle at the UU church.
For directions, send me an email!
There is also a group of pagans that get together and study paganism.
This is not a coven, and it is not a social gathering. We (I am a
member...) get together and share knowledge about various topics. We
meet Sundays at three in the afternoon at Carissa's house. If you're
interested, email me, and I'll hook you up! (This week we're doing
men's and women's mysteries.)
There is also going to be a "New Thought" bookstore/shop opening in
the Mall soon. More info? email me!
For more data on anything pagan in the BCS area, or Houston, (I know
some people there, too) send me an email. No spammers, please.
Blessings
Jennifer (Gryphynshadow)
jlemonsNOS...@alpha1.net
I'm a little confused, mostly because of my lack of information on the
topic. Maybe you or others can clear this one up for me. I thought
that a pagan was any religion that didn't follow judeo-christian
beliefs. (maybe just christian) If thats the case, isn't the PSA a
little general? ...or am I confused, and Pagan (as opposed to little
"p" pagan) is a specific religion with a core set of beliefs and
practices?
J. Thomas Ford
S'okay- I believe you, really...
> I'm a little confused, mostly because of my lack of information on the
> topic.
Wait- it gets worse.
> Maybe you or others can clear this one up for me. I thought
> that a pagan was any religion that didn't follow judeo-christian
> beliefs. (maybe just christian)
Non-Judeo-Christian-Muslim, yes, that's the technical definition. Rather
a lot of those who *technically* would fall under this *technical*
definition are definately annoyed by it, which I can understand.
> If thats the case, isn't the PSA a
> little general?
For anyone not at least vaguely acquainted with modern paganism, I'd
imagine so.
> ...or am I confused, and Pagan (as opposed to little
> "p" pagan) is a specific religion with a core set of beliefs and
> practices?
No. In general, in the US, Canada and some of Europe, "pagan" generally
applies to the nature revival religions, of which Wicca if the 900 pound
gorilla- and many are similar enough to make little difference inside of
the scope of this message. But it also applies to traditions that are
certificably have a strong historical thread, such as Strega, as well as
the heavier ceremonialists such as Thelema.
I've probably annoyed some members of just about every group I've
mentioned here, too, even though I'm trying to be as general as possible
(I apologize in advance and drop by my campsite for a good round of
liquid apologentsia at any CMA event). That should give you an idea of
just how difficult defining what the term "pagan" means today is.
I assume that you are picking this up on tamu.general; if you are
actually interested in more information on the subject, a bigger and
probably better attempt to tackle the subject is made in the FAQ for
soc.religion.paganism.
<snippage>
--
"The pull of stupidity grows everywhere more powerful."
-Salman Rusdie, on the Kansas Board of Education anti-science rules.
fnord
GOD
In article <37E478A2...@nowhere.com>,
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Rhyanon
fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
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Gryphynshadow
wrote:
>(disclaimer: This is an honest question, really...)
>
>I'm a little confused, mostly because of my lack of information on the
>topic. Maybe you or others can clear this one up for me. I thought
>that a pagan was any religion that didn't follow judeo-christian
>beliefs. (maybe just christian) If thats the case, isn't the PSA a
>little general? ...or am I confused, and Pagan (as opposed to little
>"p" pagan) is a specific religion with a core set of beliefs and
>practices?
>
Pagan with a P does not refer to a specific religion, per se. There
are many people who know that traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic
religions don't appeal to them, yet haven't found a religion or path
to follow, and so simply call themselves 'pagan'.
Yes, PSA is a bit general, but if we tried to break up into groups
based on the actual path of the member, we would have ten groups of
one or two members. This way we have one big group. It makes it
easier to raise money, socialize, and get rooms to meet in! Besides,
it opens everyone up to more than one tradition and way of working.
In the past, regular members of the PSA have included Druids, Wiccans,
Witches, Satanists (and Setians), Asatru, Shaman, pagan, Discordian
and even some Christians. We're fairly diverse. :) Oh, and some
followers of Tao.
On campus there is an atheist / agnostic group, a Bahia group,
Bhuddist, Hindu, Jewish and scads of Christian groups. If there is an
Islamic group, would anyone mind letting me know?
If you're still curious, you can come to one of our meetings. :) As
soon as I get the location, I'll post it all over the place on the
net.
Blessings
Jennifer (Gryphynshadow)
Gryphynshadow
>Are Satanists pagans?...
>
>GOD
>
Heh, prepare to be confused!
There are two or three types of Satanists. There is the type most
people think of when they see the word 'satanist'. That is the
reverse Christian. Upside down cross, black mass, orgys and drug use.
(Of course I'm being terribly general here...) Generally these people
are upset at the church for some reason, or their parents and so
choose to express their 'angst' by rebelling in the most absurd way
they can think of.
The second type are Satanists who follow the writings of LeVay. This
is not reverse Christianity, and actually has very little resemblance
to that religion. Instead it draws on ceremonial magic, mixes it with
some (not much) Christian doctrine (most notably the angels and
demons) and Voila! satanism.
The third type are neither of the above. Their not really Satanists,
either, except that the achtypal image of the Christian Satan seems to
match the god they worship. They worship Set, the Egyptian night
hunter. Set was the one who culled the flocks, getting rid of the
weak so the strong could live. In the actual Egyptian pantheon, he
fit in well, but taken out and worshiped alone, he leads some fairly
unsavory practices.
And then you get the people who merely summon demons. These people
could be any of the above, or something entirely different. For one
reason or another, they summon demons, imps and spirits to aid them in
magical workings, to do things for them and to impress their friends.
As for your question, the first one is not pagan, although some would
likely disagree with that. The middle two are pagan, and the last one
could be pagan or not, depending on the practitioner.
Now, since I'm trying very hard to leave my own opinions about each of
these paths out of this reply, I think I'd better start, before my big
mouth gets the better of me. :)
Blessings
Jennifer (Gryphynshadow)
Talesin
fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
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| Are Satanists pagans?...
|
| GOD
Yes
But Buddhists and Asatru are not
--
Talesin- Priest and Witch
"See what happens when you raise your child as a Pagan?"
-
Mr. Garrison
ICQ: 39658232
Debbie
>
> On campus there is an atheist / agnostic group, a Bahia group,
> Bhuddist, Hindu, Jewish and scads of Christian groups. If
> there is an Islamic group, would anyone mind letting me know?
A Bahia group? TAMU has enough students following a Brazilian
version of the African Diaspora religions to make a group? Wow!
IIRC there's a couple of Santerians at Rice....
Or did you mean Ba'hai? I know, it comes off as a spelling flame,
[but sometimes just one letter *can* make that much difference.]
-Kyra ;)
Talesin
And please skip the standard Wiccan "There can't be Satanic Witches because
xians think Satan is bad and we can't let people think there are bad
Witches" line.
--
Talesin- Priest and Witch
"See what happens when you raise your child as a Pagan?"
-
Mr. Garrison
ICQ: 39658232
Rhyanon <rhy...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| They're christians, unless we're talking about Setians.
|
|
| fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
| news:7s1vok$drr$1...@atheist.tamu.edu...
| > Are Satanists pagans?...
| >
| > GOD
| >
| >
| >
| > In article <37E478A2...@nowhere.com>,
| > J. Thomas Ford <jtf...@nowhere.com> wrote:
| > >jlemonsNOS...@alpha1.net wrote:
| > >>
| > >> (disclaimer: This is an honest question, really...)
| > >
| > >S'okay- I believe you, really...
| > >
| > >> I'm a little confused, mostly because of my lack of information on
the
| > >> topic.
| > >
| > >Wait- it gets worse.
| > >
| > >> Maybe you or others can clear this one up for me. I thought
| > >> that a pagan was any religion that didn't follow judeo-christian
| > >> beliefs. (maybe just christian)
| > >
| > >Non-Judeo-Christian-Muslim, yes, that's the technical definition.
Rather
| > >a lot of those who *technically* would fall under this *technical*
| > >definition are definately annoyed by it, which I can understand.
| > >
| > >> If thats the case, isn't the PSA a
| > >> little general?
| > >
| > >For anyone not at least vaguely acquainted with modern paganism, I'd
| > >imagine so.
| > >
| > >> ...or am I confused, and Pagan (as opposed to little
| > >> "p" pagan) is a specific religion with a core set of beliefs and
| > >> practices?
| > >
J. Thomas Ford
>
> fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
> news:7s1vok$drr$1...@atheist.tamu.edu...
> | Are Satanists pagans?...
> |
> | GOD
>
That is a dangrously over-simplified answer: the variety most Christians
are concerned about-the diabolists- are Judeo-Christian heretics.
> But Buddhists and Asatru are not
Interesting. Most Asatruar I know would disagree.
Jim & Paula
athiest. They have no dieties. But Asatru? Come on. They worship the Gods of
Asguard. Odin and Thor are in no way part of the Judeo-Christian panthion. Not
all Pagan Religions are about nature worship. Some are about the warrior,
strength, and courage.
Whispering Elf
Talesin wrote:
> fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
> news:7s1vok$drr$1...@atheist.tamu.edu...
> | Are Satanists pagans?...
> |
> | GOD
>
> Yes
> But Buddhists and Asatru are not
>
Shakti Leela
<<I could see Budist, They are almost a form of athiest. They have no dieties.
>>
Whoa there, Elf brother, this statement contains several falsehoods.... first
of all, this path is spelled Buddhist. Secondly, there are most definitely
deities (or representations thereof) in many Buddhist traditions or schools. I
think some of my Buddhist brothers & sisters would question being called
"atheists." I suggest you check out some sources on world religions.
Namaste,
Shakti
"And, in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make..."
Sean MacUisdin
>
> Are Satanists pagans?...
No. Satanists are anti-Christians. They have nothing to do with
paganism. Satan is a Judeo-Christian entity, not pagan.
Air muir 's air tir,
Sean of Clan Uisdin
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>
> Sean MacUisdin <sean.ma...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:37E543E5...@home.com...
> | fnord wrote:
> | >
> | > Are Satanists pagans?...
> |
> | No. Satanists are anti-Christians. They have nothing to do with
> | paganism. Satan is a Judeo-Christian entity, not pagan.
>
> Thank you
No, should there be? However, I qualify that, since there is no
fundamentalist or orthodox dogma for wicca/witch/pagan by stating that
you would not be considered a Christian if you were a practicing witch,
since Christianity condemns witchcraft. Hence, there is no such thing as
a Christian witch. My opinion though.
However, since you believe Satanists can be witches, why do you believe
Christians cannot be? There are simply at opposite poles of the same
belief system.
If Jesus and Jehovah wanted witches they would have asked for them
instead of condemning them. Anyone who states they are a Christian witch
is
J. Thomas Ford
>
> Jim & Paula <jnpn...@k-inc.com> wrote in article
> <37E69263...@k-inc.com>...
> > I have never heard this one before. Where can I find out more about it? I
> > would love to research this. Some of this stuff is as hard to find as the
> > legends of Lilith.
>
> Lilith appears in the Bible only once, in Isaiah (or is it
> Jeremiah or his Lamentations?), often given as the "night
> hag". If I had the holy book in my office I might could find
> it for you, it's dogeared in my oxford study bible at home.
> Do you need that info? -- Michael
Much more can be found in the various Midrash, much of it quite
interesting.
Talesin
--
Talesin- Priest and Witch
"See what happens when you raise your child as a Pagan?"
-
Mr. Garrison
ICQ: 39658232
Rhyanon <rhy...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Whadd I just say, fool? Setians. Laveyans seems to be more atheistic than
| satanic. They worship themselves.
|
| Talesin <Witc...@psynet.net> wrote in message
| news:Yz7F3.3060$Yo1....@newsfeed.slurp.net...
| > What about Satanic Witches?
| > And please skip the standard Wiccan "There can't be Satanic Witches
| because
| > xians think Satan is bad and we can't let people think there are bad
| > Witches" line.
| >
| > --
| > Talesin- Priest and Witch
| >
| > "See what happens when you raise your child as a Pagan?"
| >
| -
| > Mr. Garrison
| >
| > ICQ: 39658232
| >
| >
| > Rhyanon <rhy...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
| > news:7s2nat$aia$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
| > | They're christians, unless we're talking about Setians.
| > |
| > |
| > | fnord <fn...@atheist.tamu.edu> wrote in message
| > | news:7s1vok$drr$1...@atheist.tamu.edu...
| > | > Are Satanists pagans?...
| > | >
| > | > GOD
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > >--
| > | > >"The pull of stupidity grows everywhere more powerful."
| > | > >-Salman Rusdie, on the Kansas Board of Education anti-science
rules.
| > | >
| > | >
Jim & Paula
find though. Especially anything that was not slanted one way or the other. I
would like to find some of the legands that Walter Five was speaking of.
Legands and Folklore are one of my pasions. Shez's web site has a couple of
really good stories.
Bamboo Tree wrote:
> Jim & Paula <jnpn...@k-inc.com> wrote in article
> <37E69263...@k-inc.com>...
> > I have never heard this one before. Where can I find out more about it? I
> > would love to research this. Some of this stuff is as hard to find as the
> > legends of Lilith.
>
> Lilith appears in the Bible only once, in Isaiah (or is it
> Jeremiah or his Lamentations?), often given as the "night
> hag". If I had the holy book in my office I might could find
> it for you, it's dogeared in my oxford study bible at home.
> Do you need that info? -- Michael
>
> --
> Michael Hand
> Dept. of Philosophy
> Texas A&M University
> College Station, TX 77843-4237
> 409-845-5660, fax 409-845-0458
> ha...@philosophy.tamu.edu
seumas...@my-deja.com
In article <37E5B30A...@home.com>,
Hmmmm, although I am not a x-tian I do believe in the christian god
I just don't follow that belief system. My wife however does. This
makes for interesting bed side chats. If you're wondering how a
fundie x-tian and a celtic wiccan could make a marrige, well its
been fun. Turns out that our morals and our sense of right and wrong
is about 100% the same. We treat each other with a lot of respect
when it come to our beliefs and try not to poke too much fun at the
sometimes more off beat aspects. It even turns out that her twice
a year church "feast" time alines it self with guess what? Samhain and
Beltaine.
The only person that gets away with "there is only one way-my way" is
my piper tutor. And I pay him.
The right way for anything is the one that feels right. And you
get what you need from it. I was raised a baptist ( well we all have
our crosses to bear....) and got nothing from it. I answered the call
in my heart and mind and became a Wiccan. And came home. Case closed.
My wife understands this. Her pastor understands this. (a few tense
moments there)
Anyway before my ramble drives off.......
is the TxA&M PSA open to non-students?
Seumas
Pagan Piper
(who perfers his wee dram of Laphroaig over Glen Ord and in a glass
not in the bathtub, pipe lube you see)
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Sean MacUisdin
> Hmmmm, although I am not a x-tian I do believe in the christian god
> I just don't follow that belief system. My wife however does. This
> makes for interesting bed side chats. If you're wondering how a
> fundie x-tian and a celtic wiccan could make a marrige, well its
> been fun.
Mine too.
Turns out that our morals and our sense of right and wrong
> is about 100% the same. We treat each other with a lot of respect
> when it come to our beliefs and try not to poke too much fun at the
> sometimes more off beat aspects. It even turns out that her twice
> a year church "feast" time alines it self with guess what? Samhain and
> Beltaine.
Aye, what were the odds, eh?
> The only person that gets away with "there is only one way-my way" is
> my piper tutor. And I pay him.
That's a piper for ye!
> The right way for anything is the one that feels right. And you
> get what you need from it. I was raised a baptist ( well we all have
> our crosses to bear....) and got nothing from it. I answered the call
> in my heart and mind and became a Wiccan. And came home. Case closed.
> My wife understands this. Her pastor understands this. (a few tense
> moments there)
True enough.
> Pagan Piper
> (who perfers his wee dram of Laphroaig over Glen Ord and in a glass
> not in the bathtub, pipe lube you see)
Aye, mine's singin' an' dancin' juice!!
Air muir 's air tir,
Sean of Clan Uisdin
-------------------
If anyone is looking for Sean of Clan Uisdin, he can be found in the
bathtub mulling over his thoughts wi' a dram o' Glen Ord.
Remove 'mac' to reply.
Bamboo Tree
Jim & Paula <jnpn...@k-inc.com> wrote in article
> Thanks, but I already have found lots of info on Lilith. It took a long
time to
> find though. Especially anything that was not slanted one way or the
other. I
> would like to find some of the legands that Walter Five was speaking of.
> Legands and Folklore are one of my pasions. Shez's web site has a couple
of
> really good stories.
A *modern* myth of Lilith is given in George MacDonald's
*Lilith* (1895), a classic forerunner of contemporary fantasy
that I take every opportunity to recommend to anyone.
Lots of people think of it as a Christian allegory, but it
isn't -- the frustrating riddles and plot developments are
too ambiguous. The only way a person could read *Lilith*
as a Christian allegory is blinded by their prior conviction
that it is.
Anyway, it's a *killer* novel, but hard to find. Try half-price
books, or adventures in space and time (Austin). -- M
Rhyanon
clueless twit decides to be a xtian Witch, another equally clueless twit
will decide to be a satanic witch. Either way, they aren't my problem unless
they are in my way while I'm driving. I wil run them both off the road as I
would anyone else, regardless of addlepated spiritual skewings.
pbbbbbbbbbbttt :p
Talesin <Witc...@psynet.net> wrote in message
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Gryphynshadow
<snipped for bandwidth. Not that it was uninteresting, because it
was. And a worthy rant, in my not-so humble opinion>
>Anyway before my ramble drives off.......
>is the TxA&M PSA open to non-students?
Yes. The PSA is open to everyone, and non-students can even hold
offices. Although one co-chair and the treasurer must be students in
good standing for legal reasons.
>Seumas
>Pagan Piper
>(who perfers his wee dram of Laphroaig over Glen Ord and in a glass
>not in the bathtub, pipe lube you see)
Blessings
Gryphynshadow (Jennifer)
Gryphynshadow
tamu.general, and since it pertains to a question asked in a cross
posted thread, I thought I'd just send it to the appropriate groups.
:)
Gryphynshadow
On 21 Sep 1999 21:30:33 GMT, jful...@cs.tamu.edu (John Paul
Fullerton) wrote:
>In article <01bf0442$33cba540$11a1...@m-hand.tamu.edu>,
>Bamboo Tree <mh...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>>A *modern* myth of Lilith is given in George MacDonald's
>>*Lilith* (1895)
>
>from www.altavista.com
>search +lilith +macdonald
>
>An online copy
>http://ccel.wheaton.edu/macdonald/lilith/Lilith.html
>
>www.amazon.com has copies for sale.
>
>Have a nice day
>John Paul Fullerton
>j-ful...@tamu.edu
Brad
(Gryphynshadow) wrote:
>Urp! Sometimes I type too fast. :) I meant Bahai. Sorry for any
>confusion there!
pardon my ignorance, but what exactly *is* Ba'hai?
.brad
Debbie
And to explore beyond the "official" site:
-Kyra
Possum
Blessed Be Yall
Shez
inc.com> writes
>Thanks, but I already have found lots of info on Lilith. It took a long time to
>find though. Especially anything that was not slanted one way or the other. I
>would like to find some of the legands that Walter Five was speaking of.
>Legands and Folklore are one of my pasions. Shez's web site has a couple of
>really good stories.
Thank you Kind Sir/Madam. glad you enjoyed them
>
>Bamboo Tree wrote:
>
>> Jim & Paula <jnpn...@k-inc.com> wrote in article
>> <37E69263...@k-inc.com>...
>> > I have never heard this one before. Where can I find out more about it? I
>> > would love to research this. Some of this stuff is as hard to find as the
>> > legends of Lilith.
>>
>> Lilith appears in the Bible only once, in Isaiah (or is it
>> Jeremiah or his Lamentations?), often given as the "night
>> hag". If I had the holy book in my office I might could find
>> it for you, it's dogeared in my oxford study bible at home.
>> Do you need that info? -- Michael
>>
>> --
>> Michael Hand
>> Dept. of Philosophy
>> Texas A&M University
>> College Station, TX 77843-4237
>> 409-845-5660, fax 409-845-0458
>> ha...@philosophy.tamu.edu
>
--
Shez sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk
The 'Old Craft' lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/