Zimmerman Appeals for New Judge in Martin Shooting

[J]

Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media pressure
be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has already been
denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!








http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch/2012/08/14/id/448551








George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer accused of
fatally shooting a teenager in a gated community in Florida, says the
judge presiding over his case has made disparaging remarks about him.

Zimmerman says in an appeal filed Tuesday that he fears Circuit Judge
Kenneth Lester is biased against him and he wants a new judge to handle
his case.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the February death of
17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford.

Zimmerman pleaded not guilty, saying he acted in self-defense.

The appeal was filed with the 5th District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach.

All proceedings in Zimmerman's case will be delayed until that court
decides whether to hear the appeal.

The lack of an arrest for 44 days led to protests around the nation.
















--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

http://www.americandecency.org/

[default]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:28:21 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media pressure
>be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has already been
>denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>

Where have you been? This is one of the most common ploys of all
media centered trials. The idiot on trial doesn't really think the
judge is biased, but it looks good in the press (and on appeal) if
they can plant that idea in the public's opinion.

Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
delayed, the better the results for the defendant.

You want the victims, witnesses, and public to mellow a bit instead of
rushing in when tempers are high.

[Syd M.]

On Aug 15, 12:28 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media pressure
> be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has already been
> denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>
> h

Yeah, enough of you bigots trying to dismiss the vigalante shooting of
an innocent black kid who's only crime was walking while black.
You disgust me, IBen,

[HVAC]

On 8/15/2012 7:23 AM, default wrote:
>
>
> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.

You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
you?










--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[HVAC]

On 8/15/2012 7:31 AM, Syd M. wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, enough of you bigots trying to dismiss the vigalante shooting of
> an innocent black kid who's only crime was walking while black.
> You disgust me, IBen,

So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
Zimmerman's fate. We don't need no stinking TRIAL.

All that's left now is your sentence...Your 'honor'.

[betweentheeyes]

>"Syd M." wrote in message
>news:78d78d85-e800-4a6c...@z21g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

>
>On Aug 15, 12:28 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal
>> media pressure
>> be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman
>> has already been
>> denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>>
>> h
>

<snip>

> who's only crime was walking while black.

Huh? So I'm guessing you perceive Zimmerman's broken nose
and bludgeoned back of his skull were self-inflicted?

[G=EMC^2]

Judge Lester is a 100% Severn Trent Avatar (Mafia) judge .All this is
being done for a good reason. Get the pictrue yet TreBert

[J]

You must excuse Paulie. He's 'developmentally challenged', to put it
politely. Ignore him or humor him; it's what most of us do.

[HVAC]

On 8/15/2012 8:37 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>> So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
>> Zimmerman's fate. We don't need no stinking TRIAL.
>>
>> All that's left now is your sentence...Your 'honor'.
>>
>>
>

> Judge Lester is a 100% Severn Trent Avatar (Mafia) judge .

Who would you like to see as the judge, Bert?

[Sanders Kaufman]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k0g3fe$e04$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
> Zimmerman's fate.

Zimmerman decided his own fate.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:k0g39p$b2e$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> On 8/15/2012 7:23 AM, default wrote:
>>
>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>
> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
> you?

No matter how obvious the truth, there's a racist piece of shit who won't
accept it.
.

[HVAC]

Sometimes the war comes to us. We must always be prepared.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:k0ghuk$57v$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...

>
> Sometimes the war comes to us. We must always be prepared.

And sometimes you chase it down through the streets of a quiet, residential
neighborhood.
Zimmerman's best defense at this point is to have Iran accept him as a
political refugee.

[Samuel Harrigon]

HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
> >> Zimmerman's fate.
> >
> > Zimmerman decided his own fate.
>
> Sometimes the war comes to us. We must always be prepared.
>

The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his
certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.

This is the place for theists.

[duke]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote:
> news:k0g3fe$e04$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
> > Zimmerman's fate.
>
> Zimmerman decided his own fate.
>
>

Creationism should be seen as a pseudoscience because it:

- Does not give detailed explanations and does not seek to extend
range of science. Seems to be more of a rear guard action.
- Proponents usually do not have proper credentials.
- Publications make multitude of claims which are difficult to check out.
- They bury you with details.
- The theory is not new. It's an obsolete theory that has been
rejected many times.

[MarkA]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:28:21 -0700, J wrote:

>
> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media pressure be
> assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has already been
> denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch/2012/08/14/id/448551
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer accused of
> fatally shooting a teenager in a gated community in Florida, says the
> judge presiding over his case has made disparaging remarks about him.
>

It's funny how judges get annoyed when you lie to them about your
finances, as Zimmerman did. He's lucky that "disparaging remarks", and
temporary revocation of his bail, were all the judge did.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[HVAC]

On 8/15/2012 12:13 PM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>
>>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>>
>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics',
>> would you?
>
> No matter how obvious the truth, there's a racist piece of shit who
> won't accept it.

And of course YOU are the arbiter of who is and who isn't a 'racist
piece of shit'? How convenient.

[H�gar]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:k0gjsr$ebo$7...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> On 8/15/2012 12:13 PM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>>
>>>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>>>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>>>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics',
>>> would you?
>>
>> No matter how obvious the truth, there's a racist piece of shit who
>> won't accept it.
>
>
>
> And of course YOU are the arbiter of who is and who isn't a 'racist piece
> of shit'? How convenient.

They only get upset when a hoodie-clad Negroid hoodlum gets mouthy and blown
away. Had it been a white guy, these racist Liberals would be eerily
silent.

Of course the drive-by media only posted photos of a clean cut black kid,
taken long before he took to roaming the streets at night. The real
"gangsta" photos are hard to find, but tell the whole story.

[betweentheeyes]

"MarkA" wrote in message
news:pan.2012.08.15...@somewhere.invalid...

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:28:21 -0700, J wrote:

>
> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal
> media pressure be
> assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has
> already been
> denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>

> http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch/2012/08/14/id/448551
>
>
>> George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer
>> accused of
>> fatally shooting a teenager in a gated community in
>> Florida, says the
>> judge presiding over his case has made disparaging
>> remarks about him.
>>
>
>It's funny how judges get annoyed when you lie to them
>about your
>finances, as Zimmerman did.

<snip>
--
MarkA

I challenge you to quote 2 sentences that Zimmerman stated
that are falsehoods. You MUST provide a link to validate
the quote. If your only source is the media, you will have
quite the challenge in front of you.

You will find that Zimmerman didn't say much. You will also
find that only person charged with providing false
information is Zimmerman's wife, who has pleaded not guilty
to the perjury charges.

When you find the quotes, we can then discuss Judge Lester
either 'being annoyed' or being bias.

Here is a quote from an important document in history that
Judge Lester completely ignored:
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excessive_bail

[default]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:05:19 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/15/2012 7:23 AM, default wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>
>
>You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>you?

Much as I'd like to oblige, I seem to come up with too many extraneous
unrelated hits when searching. I do remember reading it, so it is out
there somewhere.

[G=EMC^2]

On Aug 15, 12:13 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Out of sight out of mind.Its known in Florida as a Severn Trent smoke
screen. TeBet

[default]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:05:19 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/15/2012 7:23 AM, default wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>
>
>You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>you?

Another thought about Zimmy... This guy is what most would call
"white trash," and here he is a celebrity raking in money from his
website and all the rednecks, racists, retards, rightards, and
republican wannabees, that he is in hog heaven....

Why would anyone disturb that gig?

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in
news:aVPWr.823$564...@newsfe21.iad:

I'm sorry but if he does produce it, perhaps you will accept it.

--

Friendly fire...........isn't.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

"Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:78d78d85-e800-4a6c-
a0a0-581...@z21g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

Ahhhh, you already know all the facts in the case. Hell, why even have a
trial? Why don't you simply announce the verdict and we can all get back
to whatever we were doing?

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in news:jTPWr.55033$7y4.39014
@newsfe23.iad:

Perhaps, but I prefer to wait for the trial.

[RD Sandman]

MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2012.08.15...@somewhere.invalid:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:28:21 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>
>> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media
>> pressure be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has
>> already been denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch/2012/08/14/id/448551
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer accused of
>> fatally shooting a teenager in a gated community in Florida, says the
>> judge presiding over his case has made disparaging remarks about him.
>>
>
> It's funny how judges get annoyed when you lie to them about your
> finances, as Zimmerman did.

No, Zimmerman did not. His wife did and she is facing charges of
perjury. Zimmerman is guilty of collusion but not of lying under oath.

He's lucky that "disparaging remarks",
> and temporary revocation of his bail, were all the judge did.
>



--

[Dakota]

Anyone know why the idiot J posted this to tx.politics? Does he think
Florida is part of Texas?

[Syd M.]

You misspelled 'Johnnie' there, IBen, you damned bigot.

[Syd M.]

On Aug 15, 8:28 am, "betweentheeyes"

I percieve that you are lying.

[HVAC]

On 8/15/2012 2:46 PM, default wrote:
>
>>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>>
>>
>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>> you?
>
> Much as I'd like to oblige, I seem to come up with too many extraneous
> unrelated hits when searching. I do remember reading it, so it is out
> there somewhere.

I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?

[sea of green]

On 8/15/2012 2:57 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 8/15/2012 2:46 PM, default wrote:
>>
>>>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>>>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>>>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>>>
>>>
>>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>>> you?
>>
>> Much as I'd like to oblige, I seem to come up with too many extraneous
>> unrelated hits when searching. I do remember reading it, so it is out
>> there somewhere.
>
>
> I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
> that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
> remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?

Look, he was on a Skittles rush, get over it...

[sea of green]

On 8/15/2012 10:41 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> And sometimes you chase it down through the streets of

Let's remind folks about where your head has been:




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I am totally going to stop letting people like him, who do so little
for me, control how I think. So I'm going...

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!

FYI - I have a whole nother identity on the web as
"sur...@kaufman.net". It's linked to Twit like my real ID is

I spy with my little eye... A jealous girlfriend hiding in the
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[betweentheeyes]

"Syd M." wrote in message

news:fb3009ab-6085-4aa6...@d4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

?I percieve that you are lying.

About what? Be specific?

[duke]

sea of green <jer...@hill.ary> wrote:
> >> there somewhere.
> >
> >
> > I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
> > that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
> > remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?
>
> Look, he was on a Skittles rush, get over it...

Basic atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of belief.
There is a difference between believing there is no god
and not believing there is a god--both are atheistic,
though popular usage has ignored the latter.

[Bill Hernstead]

sea of green <jer...@hill.ary> wrote:
>

> GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!
>
> FYI - I have a whole nother identity on the web as
> "sur...@kaufman.net". It's linked to Twit like my real ID is
>
> I spy with my little eye... A jealous girlfriend hiding in the
> closet, eavesdropping on her boyfriend's call home...

The fact is, no religion is actually more likely to hand you truth or
salvation than any other. If any of them are right about God and God's
rules, there's just no way for us to know which one it is. If there was,
we'd all have picked the same religion by now.

That means atheists understand that no person believing one religion
over another has any real justification for doing so. Communication
styles, rituals, and norms - these can differ between people and still
be true in their contexts, but statements about the ultimate, like
"Heaven can only be reached via Mormonism," have no grounds.

Atheists aren't gullible, either. We understand that the burden of proof
rests on extraordinary claims, and that Occam's razor is a useful
thinking tool dictating that the simplest explanation for the way things
are is also the most likely one. Atheists believe in things that really
work - medicine is more effective than prayer for health, and reason is
better than blind faith for learning.

Chance is a tricky thing to fully understand. A lottery winner might
thank God she won, and a lighting-strike victim might thank God he
survived (rather than cursing Him for the inconvenience), but did God
really cause these things to happen?

While the lottery winner thanks the heavens for beating such amazing
odds, the lottery company has made sure that there would definitely be a
winner somewhere. It just happened to be that one woman. Meteorologists
know that lighting just has to strike somewhere when it storms. It just
happened to be that man, and credit for his survival belongs more to the
doctors who saved him than to God.

[sea of green]

On 8/15/2012 5:31 PM, Bill Hernstead wrote:
> Atheists aren't gullible, either. We understand that

Bro, you don't need to go into some long self-justification rant, just
do your thang!

Live and let live, etc...

[sea of green]

On 8/15/2012 5:28 PM, duke wrote:
> sea of green<jer...@hill.ary> wrote:
>>>> there somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
>>> that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
>>> remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?
>>
>> Look, he was on a Skittles rush, get over it...
>
> Basic atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of belief.

Which has what to do with Trayvon and his Skittles?

[Olrik]

Le 2012-08-15 16:01, RD Sandman a �crit :

> MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2012.08.15...@somewhere.invalid:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:28:21 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Justice demands that a judge who won't kowtow to liberal media
>>> pressure be assigned to the George Zimmerman case. Mr. Zimmerman has
>>> already been denied the due process he's entitled. Enough is enough!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch/2012/08/14/id/448551
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer accused of
>>> fatally shooting a teenager in a gated community in Florida, says the
>>> judge presiding over his case has made disparaging remarks about him.
>>>
>>
>> It's funny how judges get annoyed when you lie to them about your
>> finances, as Zimmerman did.
>
> No, Zimmerman did not. His wife did and she is facing charges of
> perjury. Zimmerman is guilty of collusion but not of lying under oath.

That's so much better!

[G=EMC^2]

Killing blacks,homeless,and people that make trouble for "GOP Mafia
Severn Trent Avatar" are killed in Fl. Trayvon's mother was a trouble
maker,and like her son will pay for this. Reality is she made
Zimmerman rich and famous. The Martin's and their lawyer are dead
meat. The Martin's are now well aware of this . TeBert

[Sanders Kaufman]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA0B07DC3E...@216.196.121.131...

> I'm sorry but if he does produce it, perhaps you will accept it.

You think you and your fellow racists are proving something?

[HVAC]

On 8/16/2012 7:52 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>
> Killing blacks,homeless,and people that make trouble for "GOP Mafia
> Severn Trent Avatar" are killed in Fl. Trayvon's mother was a trouble
> maker,and like her son will pay for this. Reality is she made
> Zimmerman rich and famous. The Martin's and their lawyer are dead
> meat. The Martin's are now well aware of this . TeBert

Tell me, Bert...Why do you suppose the Martin's 'lawyered up'?

[Sanders Kaufman]

"betweentheeyes" <between...@defendingThe2nd.org> wrote in message
news:k0gn4q$7v5$1...@dont-email.me...

> I challenge you to quote 2 sentences that Zimmerman stated that are
> falsehoods.

The gunman is charged with murder, not with lying.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0B084794...@216.196.121.131...

> No, Zimmerman did not. His wife did and she is facing charges of
> perjury. Zimmerman is guilty of collusion but not of lying under oath.

They both lied, you idiot.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Olrik" <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k0hse0$ln1$3...@dont-email.me...

> Le 2012-08-15 16:01, RD Sandman a écrit :

>
>> No, Zimmerman did not. His wife did and she is facing charges of
>> perjury. Zimmerman is guilty of collusion but not of lying under oath.
>
> That's so much better!

It's not true.
Both lied and both were locke dup for it.
RD's just an unhinged racist who makes things up and posts them here.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Dakota" <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:k0h1to$ih7$2...@dont-email.me...

> Anyone know why the idiot J posted this to tx.politics? Does he think
> Florida is part of Texas?

Conservatives have a hard time finding folks who will take them seriously.
So they spam a lot of different newsgroups trying to find such a person.

[default]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:57:50 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/15/2012 2:46 PM, default wrote:
>>
>>>> Just a fancy two-step to delay the trial for as long as possible.
>>>> Statistically, the longer a trial with high public attention can be
>>>> delayed, the better the results for the defendant.
>>>
>>>
>>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>>> you?
>>
>> Much as I'd like to oblige, I seem to come up with too many extraneous
>> unrelated hits when searching. I do remember reading it, so it is out
>> there somewhere.
>
>
>I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
>that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
>remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?

It wouldn't surprise me that you heard/read it, given the hoopla
surrounding this; and I'd question the veracity. The article I read
was in no particular context and not a media piece, but a serious
legal strategy presented by someone who was teaching law.

A general strategy... and he went on to discuss OJ Simpson's circus
trial and how celebrities generally benefit by not delaying trials.
His theory was that the celebrity gets a more than even break in
public opinion and a delay only results in the possibility of
anecdotal "evidence" like "that son of a bitch kicked my dog and is a
lousy person," coming to the attention of the media as it canvasses
people looking for "news."

But you've already decided...

[betweentheeyes]

>"Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
>news:9K5Xr.21433$H23....@newsfe19.iad...

Try to pay attention to the thread. While what you state is
true, it has NOTHING to do with the post I responded to
which you snipped and I'm now putting BACK:

[HVAC]

On 8/16/2012 9:17 AM, default wrote:
>
>>>> You wouldn't mind posting a link that supports those 'statistics', would
>>>> you?
>>>
>>> Much as I'd like to oblige, I seem to come up with too many extraneous
>>> unrelated hits when searching. I do remember reading it, so it is out
>>> there somewhere.
>>
>>
>> I remember reading that Trayvon was trying to rape Zimmerman's wife and
>> that was why he got shot. I can't find a link to the story, but I
>> remember reading it somewhere. You're good with that, right?
>
> It wouldn't surprise me that you heard/read it, given the hoopla
> surrounding this; and I'd question the veracity. The article I read
> was in no particular context and not a media piece, but a serious
> legal strategy presented by someone who was teaching law.
>
> A general strategy... and he went on to discuss OJ Simpson's circus
> trial and how celebrities generally benefit by not delaying trials.
> His theory was that the celebrity gets a more than even break in
> public opinion and a delay only results in the possibility of
> anecdotal "evidence" like "that son of a bitch kicked my dog and is a
> lousy person," coming to the attention of the media as it canvasses
> people looking for "news."
>
> But you've already decided...

Ya. I've decided not to believe your 'statistics' until you cite the
source. This seems to be a problem for you, so I used the 'rape'
scenario to point up how people's assertions should always be
questioned....Their facts always checked.

[G=EMC^2]

Martin's got a lawyer to seek justice. 41 days went by and the cover
up was working. Chief Lee was doing his job well. The Matin's will get
GOP Mafia Severn Trent justice,and that means death to trouble
makers TeBet

[HVAC]

On 8/16/2012 11:12 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>>
>> Tell me, Bert...Why do you suppose the Martin's 'lawyered up'?
>>
>> --
>>
>

> Martin's got a lawyer to seek justice.

Well, Trayvon won't be coming down for breakfast this morning.

So ju$tice is exactly worth how much in ca$h money?

[MarkA]

Once again, you have caught me being imprecise. Let me amend my previous
statement: It's funny how judges get annoyed when you collude with your
wife to lie to them about your finances, as Zimmerman did.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k0j4dh$6j4$2...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> On 8/16/2012 11:12 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:

> Well, Trayvon won't be coming down for breakfast this morning.
> So ju$tice is exactly worth how much in ca$h money?

Conservatives don't really place that much value, cash or otherwise, on a
human life.

[HVAC]

But apparently liberal dick sucks like you DO.
All I wanna know is how much...

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in news:EH5Xr.21663$RL6.5026
@newsfe13.iad:

Hmmmm, interesting that racism, real or implied or made up seems to be
your stock in trade. Perhaps that why you are still only a part time
substitute teacher.

--

Friendly fire...........isn't.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in news:SL5Xr.12920$BI5.7788
@newsfe09.iad:

> "Olrik" <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:k0hse0$ln1$3...@dont-email.me...
>> Le 2012-08-15 16:01, RD Sandman a écrit :
>
>>
>>> No, Zimmerman did not. His wife did and she is facing charges of
>>> perjury. Zimmerman is guilty of collusion but not of lying under
oath.
>>
>> That's so much better!
>
> It's not true.
> Both lied and both were locke dup for it.

Then YOU should have no problem producing that transcript. Or would you
rather we just keep viewing you as a liar?

> RD's just an unhinged racist who makes things up and posts them here.

And you tend to fling excuses and libel around like gravel...like a
little kid not caring what you hit.

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in news:HK5Xr.10399$l63.3462
@newsfe20.iad:

Not under oath. They both colluded....she lied.

[RD Sandman]

MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2012.08.16....@somewhere.invalid:

And we are in absolute agreement there. Careful, though, or Kaufman will
be in here to call you a racist liar. ;)

[Claude Balls]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:42:44 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/16/2012 11:12 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tell me, Bert...Why do you suppose the Martin's 'lawyered up'?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> Martin's got a lawyer to seek justice.
>
>
>Well, Trayvon won't be coming down for breakfast this morning.
>
>So ju$tice is exactly worth how much in ca$h money?
>

For Bert: Can you explain the difference between justice and
vengeance?
What would have happened if Martin had killed Zimmerman?
Would that then be "Self-Defense"?
The best question should be:
Suppose Zimmerman was a man of color? Would the dream team
have bothered to jet down to Florida and put on a demonstration?

[sea of green]

On 8/16/2012 10:59 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:


Let's remind folks what ails your addled brain:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---

Then the DotCom era turned me into an overpaid programmer. That's when
the NeoCons seized power here in the US - ending a period of screaming
prosperity. At the same time, I got hit with a case of Menningitis
(brain infection) and went a little coo-koo. Now I'm back to developing
web sites.


Read more: http://www.myspace.com/bvckvs#ixzz10eoO82ja

---------------------------------------------------------------------------�------

Then your twitter account has some more evidence of your mental state:

http://twitter.com/bvckvs

I am totally going to stop letting people like him, who do so little
for me, control how I think. So I'm going...

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!

FYI - I have a whole nother identity on the web as
"sur...@kaufman.net". It's linked to Twit like my real ID is

I spy with my little eye... A jealous girlfriend hiding in the
closet, eavesdropping on her boyfriend's call home...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[sea of green]

On 8/16/2012 2:31 PM, Claude Balls wrote:
> Suppose Zimmerman was a man of color? Would the dream team
> have bothered to jet down to Florida and put on a demonstration?

Suppose they would have gone after him if he hadn't killed a black man?

It's the whole chicke/egg thing Mr. ?, you rabid liberal turd.

[HVAC]

On 8/16/2012 4:31 PM, Claude Balls wrote:
>
>>> Martin's got a lawyer to seek justice.
>>
>>
>> Well, Trayvon won't be coming down for breakfast this morning.
>>
>> So ju$tice is exactly worth how much in ca$h money?
>>
> For Bert: Can you explain the difference between justice and
> vengeance?
> What would have happened if Martin had killed Zimmerman?
> Would that then be "Self-Defense"?
> The best question should be:
> Suppose Zimmerman was a man of color? Would the dream team
> have bothered to jet down to Florida and put on a demonstration?

The story with Bert is that he has a hard on for the state of Florida
and the local water company in particular. He left his water bill unpaid
(while he continued to swill down loads of beer) until finally they sent
the sheriff over to serve him court papers for non-payment. Well, as
usual, Bert was drunk. He wound up getting belligerent with the police
and they had to arrest him for drunk and disorderly. Rather than stay
and fight, Bert scurried off like a rat to Mass. Now he's living high on
the hog at taxpayers expense.

[MarkA]

Thanks for keeping me honest.

[Olrik]

Le 2012-08-16 12:59, Sanders Kaufman a �crit :

Nor justice, for that matter.

[azjohn]

On 8/15/2012 9:11 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:k0g3fe$e04$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
>> So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
>> Zimmerman's fate.
>
> Zimmerman decided his own fate.
>
>
Yes, he is an American hero. He has a better legacy than your Kenyan
butt buddy. After the election, he will be found not guilty and will sue
for malicious prosecution.

[G=EMC^2]

On Aug 16, 11:50 pm, azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 8/15/2012 9:11 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:k0g3fe$e04$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> >> So...You have set yourself up as both judge and jury and decided
> >> Zimmerman's fate.
>
> > Zimmerman decided his own fate.
>
> Yes, he is an American hero. He has a better legacy than your Kenyan
> butt buddy. After the election, he will be found not guilty and will sue
> for malicious prosecution.

azjohn You got the picture. Zimmerman is a Severn Trent Avatar hit
man. He has a license to kill. He is playing golf. He could have
killed others. Rigby another hit man for Severn Trent killed many,and
he is playing golf at salivida. Florida is GOP Mafia KKK land.TreBert

[Sanders Kaufman]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0B17A62A...@216.196.121.131...

> Hmmmm, interesting that racism, real or implied or made up seems to be
> your stock in trade. Perhaps that why you are still only a part time
> substitute teacher.

So - somehow, In your Republican mind, you've connected racist teachers to
the Zimmerman shooting.
OK - let's hear it.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2012.08.16....@somewhere.invalid...

Bah - You were right the first time around.
A lie of omission is still a lie.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:XnsA0B17A62A...@216.196.121.131...
>
>> Hmmmm, interesting that racism, real or implied or made up seems to be
>> your stock in trade. Perhaps that why you are still only a part time
>> substitute teacher.
>

>So - somehow, In your Republican mind, you've connected racist teachers [..]

So you admit you're a racist teacher.

Interesting.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Claude Balls" <Aarr...@scream.now> wrote in message
news:cvlq28pf3gnru40cm...@4ax.com...

> Suppose Zimmerman was a man of color? Would the dream team
> have bothered to jet down to Florida and put on a demonstration?

No person or group is standing up for Zimmerman.
Even the Tea Party is keeping their distance.
Even the NRA shuns him.
Even Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann won't touch that crazy hot potato.


The mere mention of his name will shut shut them all up.
Seriously - try it at a Tea Party rally.
When one of them takes the stage, shout, "George Zimmerman sends his
regards!" and see what happens.
(All apologies to their SS detachments. :s)

[Sanders Kaufman]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:k0jn9q$5lg$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> The story with Bert is that he has a hard on for the state of Florida

Perhaps, but that won't have any effect on Zimmerman's case.
He still has to deal with the judge he lied to.

[default]

I'm following the thread and don't see how you got there.

[default]

I would probably be classified "liberal" and frankly I think that
there are too many humans on the planet and not enough respect paid to
the other animal life.

And I suspect Zimmy is a piece of shit who has had a free ride through
his previous assaults due to his father the judge, and as a result no
respect for law, morality, or ethics. The fact that he thinks he
needs to carry a firearm and poke around in the neighborhood does not
inspire confidence.

While I do wholeheartedly support the right to keep and bear arms...

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>default wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>I'm following the thread [..]

Apparently not.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"default" wrote in message
news:7rfs28hm3gjlcr48o...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:35:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

>>>"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>So - somehow, In your Republican mind, you've connected racist teachers
>>>[..]
>>So you admit you're a racist teacher.
>>Interesting.
> I'm following the thread and don't see how you got there.

It makes more sense when placed in the context of a "shared anglo-saxon
heritage".

[Sanders Kaufman]

"default" wrote in message
news:ssfs2855sukuq4iqd...@4ax.com...

> While I do wholeheartedly support the right to keep and bear arms...

If you were to include something in there about a well-regulated militia,
I'd be right there with you.

[betweentheeyes]

>"Sanders Kaufman" wrote in message
>news:fPqXr.78701$yL6....@newsfe04.iad...

While I can understand you stating "A lie of omission is
still a lie" in your zest to convict an innocent man until
proven guilty, you stating such clearly indicates:

1) Your lack of understanding of the Jurisprudence system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisprudence
2) Your desired end, justifies the means to get there

Your line of thinking isn't new. Despots through out history
have had similar thoughts.

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 7:20 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> If you were to include something in there about

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 7:15 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> It makes more sense when placed in the context of a

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 7:03 AM, default wrote:
> The fact that he thinks he
> needs to carry a firearm and poke around in the neighborhood does not
> inspire confidence.

Neighborhood Watch is a nationally chartered anti-crime program.

Grow up.

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 6:49 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Perhaps, but that won't have any effect

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 6:46 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> No person or group is standing up

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 6:30 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Bah - You were right the first time

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 6:24 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> OK - let's hear it.

[Pelican Pt.]

Wow, you're really drugged up...

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/16/2012 9:45 PM, Olrik should be rolled flat like hot asphalt.

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in

news:kKqXr.35601$Bw1...@newsfe05.iad:

I am not a Republican

I have not connected racism with either teaching as a profession or the
Zimmerman shooting.

I have, however, connected racism with you since that seems to usually be
your stock answer when you don't understand something.

> OK - let's hear it.

You just did.

--

Friendly fire...........isn't.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[default]

And the appropriate response would have been to use his cell phone to
call the police, not skulk around stalking someone. This is typical
behavior of people with self confidence issues - in other words
cowards and bullies.

[RD Sandman]

azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote in news:k0kf2e$ct3$5...@wieslauf.sub.de:

I doubt that. He will more than likely be tracked down by some ardent
New Black Panther initiation crew or some of Louis Farragoes buddies.

[default]

I see firearms as the last resort response to a totalitarian
government.. In that context I don't see "well-regulated."

[Pelican Pt.]

On 8/17/2012 11:16 AM, default wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:48:22 -0600, "Pelican Pt."<s...@dy.spit> wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2012 7:03 AM, default wrote:
>>> The fact that he thinks he
>>> needs to carry a firearm and poke around in the neighborhood does not
>>> inspire confidence.
>>
>> Neighborhood Watch is a nationally chartered anti-crime program.
>>
>> Grow up.
>
> And the appropriate response would have been to use his cell phone to
> call the police,

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

"Zimmerman said in the audio interviews that he was driving to the
grocery store that evening when he saw Martin walking in his
neighborhood. He said he pulled over and called a police nonemergency
number "to report a suspicious person."

He noted that there had been some burglaries in the area, prompting him
to start a neighborhood watch program. He said he had never seen Martin
before and thought it odd that although it was raining, "he was just
walking casually, not like he was trying to get out of the rain."

> not skulk around stalking someone.

Yes, Trayvon stalked and ambushed him:


"In an interview just after the shooting, Zimmerman told police that the
struggle began when Martin "jumped out from the bushes" and punched him
in the face, knocking him down.

"I started screaming for help. I couldn't see. I couldn't breathe," he said.

"He grabbed my head and started hitting it into the sidewalk," he said.
"When he started doing that, I slid into the grass to try to get out
from under him. ... I'm still yelling for help."

[G=EMC^2]

On Aug 17, 1:25 pm, "Pelican Pt." <s...@dy.spit> wrote:
> On 8/17/2012 11:16 AM, default wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 09:48:22 -0600, "Pelican Pt."<s...@dy.spit>  wrote:
>
> >> On 8/17/2012 7:03 AM, default wrote:
> >>> The fact that he thinks he
> >>> needs to carry a firearm and poke around in the neighborhood does not
> >>> inspire confidence.
>
> >> Neighborhood Watch is a nationally chartered anti-crime program.
>
> >> Grow up.
>
> > And the appropriate response would have been to use his cell phone to
> > call the police,
>

> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index...

>
> "Zimmerman said in the audio interviews that he was driving to the
> grocery store that evening when he saw Martin walking in his
> neighborhood. He said he pulled over and called a police nonemergency
> number "to report a suspicious person."
>
> He noted that there had been some burglaries in the area, prompting him
> to start a neighborhood watch program. He said he had never seen Martin
> before and thought it odd that although it was raining, "he was just
> walking casually, not like he was trying to get out of the rain."
>
> > not skulk around stalking someone.
>
> Yes, Trayvon stalked and ambushed him:
>
> "In an interview just after the shooting, Zimmerman told police that the
> struggle began when Martin "jumped out from the bushes" and punched him
> in the face, knocking him down.
>
> "I started screaming for help. I couldn't see. I couldn't breathe," he said.
>
> "He grabbed my head and started hitting it into the sidewalk," he said.
> "When he started doing that, I slid into the grass to try to get out
> from under him. ... I'm still yelling for help."

Severn Trent Avatar gets $230 from each home owner(Mafia protection.)
those that don't pay it get broken legs and their homes broken into..
They call this "Village protection money" Millions pay. It goes back
to the Mafia protecting stores in the 1920s Get the picture. TreBert

[Sanders Kaufman]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0B2688A6...@216.196.121.131...

> "Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in

> I have, however, connected racism with you since that seems to usually be
> your stock answer when you don't understand something.

What a random tantrum you're throwing.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"default" wrote in message
news:l4vs289hfeflurb5e...@4ax.com...

>>
> I see firearms as the last resort response to a totalitarian
> government..

That was Tim McVeigh's position, too.
In the real world, it's called a "paranoid delusion" because it's something
you're afraid of, but that doesn't actually exist.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"betweentheeyes" <between...@defendingThe2nd.org> wrote in message
news:k0lhpj$2oc$1...@dont-email.me...

> While I can understand you stating "A lie of omission is still a lie" in
> your zest to convict an innocent man until proven guilty, you stating such
> clearly indicates:

So - you think this Usenet forum is the official trial venue?
Man, you Republicans are dumb.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA0B26988B...@216.196.121.131...

>
> I doubt that. He will more than likely be tracked down by some ardent
> New Black Panther initiation crew or some of Louis Farragoes buddies.

That's what happens when racists forget their place.

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in

news:b_wXr.49330$lt3....@newsfe18.iad:

It isn't random. It is specifically directed. Of course, it is also
only a statement......not a tantrum.

--

To keep some of my Navy friends happy:

Any ship can be a minesweeper.......once!!

[RD Sandman]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bvc...@google.com> wrote in news:SgxXr.78874$yL6.37850
@newsfe04.iad:

I know and they are Democrats......embarrassing, isn't it.

--

To keep some of my Navy friends happy:

Any ship can be a minesweeper.......once!!

[Dakota]

On 8/17/2012 10:48 AM, Pelican Pt. wrote:
> On 8/17/2012 7:03 AM, default wrote:
>> The fact that he thinks he
>> needs to carry a firearm and poke around in the neighborhood does not
>> inspire confidence.
>

> Neighborhood Watch is a anti-crime program.
>
> Grow up.
>
Do you have the specific name of the nationally chartered program you
posted about? A Google search on keywords "Neighborhood Watch" returns
about 161,000,000. Perusing the first few pages suggests that the term
is more widely used than for a single nationally chartered anti-crime
program.

The reason I'm interested in learning about the program is to
determine if they have a stated policy regarding the use of firearms.

[Olrik]

Le 2012-08-17 11:50, Pelican Pt. a écrit :
> On 8/16/2012 9:45 PM, Olrik should be rolled flat like hot asphalt.

Oh, look! A brand new imbecile!

Hello, imbecile!

Bye, imbecile!

[Pelican Pt.]

That's fine, and there are several programs around:


http://www.nnwi.org/

DOES NNWI PROVIDE TRAINING?


NNWI provides training materials for individuals and law enforcement
agencies. Your local law enforcement agency is your best source for
professionally trained crime prevention officers who can assist you in
setting up your program.


http://www.nnwi.org/handbooks.asp#handbook

http://www.usaonwatch.org/

The Neighborhood Watch Program draws upon the compassion of average
citizens, asking them to lend their neighbors a hand. USAonWatch is the
portal for training to assist law enforcement agencies and their
communities, technical assistance, resource documents, watch stories,
networking, and assistance to the field.

Since 1972, the USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch Program (housed within the
National Sheriffs’ Association) has worked to unite law enforcement
agencies, private organizations, and individual citizens in a
nation-wide effort to reduce crime and improve local communities. The
success of the program has established Neighborhood Watch as the
nation’s premier crime prevention and community mobilization program.
Visible signs of the program are seen throughout American on street
signs, window decals, community block parties and service projects.

http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/sample_docs/samplewebagenda.pdf



But if you're thinking that they will take a stance on the personal
decision to carry or not carry a firearm I suspect you'll be disappointed.

What the individual chooses to do is up to them to decide.

Given the attack on Zimmerman and subsequent beating he received,it
appears his decision to carry was sound and a life saver.