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Aug 15, 2012, 11:38:03 AM8/15/12
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On 8/14/2012 8:06 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>
>This was a chance for you to respond in a civil manner to a civil post.
>Will you blow it?
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:53:36 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>
>Yes you did.
>
>> That's it, that's the best you could come up with as a flame?
>
The only flames here come from your mouth, Spammy.
>
> You might concider leaving out all the smart ass remarks you used in
> grade school. All you do is denigrate yourself serving no purpose
> save your own ego.
>
I might "concider" meeting Ellie May down by the cement pond
too..lol...
>
I'm sure you'll do what's right for yourself with no regard for anyone
else. That's yours style.
>
> I swore never to be silent whenever human beings endure suffering and
> humiliation.
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the
victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
> So now you're barking like an old dog who fell into a briar patch.
>
Close your mouth and the barking sound in your head will stop.
>
> We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the
> oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never
> the tormented. While this may be a noble endeavor, time often
> restricts what we can continue to do. I do not spend nearly as much
> time on usenet as you do. I simply don't have that kind of free time.
>
Wowzers, you sure got a real stem winder going here...
>
It's truth, I understand you have a hard time recognizing it.
>
> What we are talking about here is outsourcing.
>
>Um no, I'm not anyway.
>
Of course you are, cutting Medicare/Medicaid and handing it as a gift
to insurance companies, our SS to Wall Street?
What you may have decoupled from topic to is anyone's guess.
>
> This has been tried
> many times wherever funding was accomplished with taxation. All have
> failed. It is not possible to take a given amount of funding for
> anything and spend a portion of that funding to satisfy the profit
> requirements of the vendors and still satisfy the task itself. If the
> existing in-house system doesn't perform as you wish, then you need to
> make the changes necessary to make it work.
>
>That's just brilliant, are we talking health care or small appliance
>manufacturing?
>
It is about health care and social programs and outsourcing them to
your friends so they can get in on the action and take our money.
Don't play stupid.
>
> Obama drained money from Medicare to pay for the AHCA.
>
Let the plan continue then criticize it just as you would have us do
with Romney/RyanCare.
>
>The applicable term is "robbing peter to pay Paul".
>
The way books are balanced. Families have to do that all the time.
We are not all like you, so wealthy you don't need SS/M&M, able to buy
your own doctors, hospitals.
That never works.
>
>>
> The wild claims are exactly that, denigrate the left wing plan to
> impliment your own. Your post was on Baucus and you did mention CNN:
>
> CNN - Special Report Fixing Health Care:
>
> A dangerous secret to the Baucus health bill.
>
> There are two parts to this and I was inclined to post them both but
> they are both dated in 2009. Many things have happened since then and
> I don't see where it would be fair to either side to post them.
>
Iow, you're afraid you'd shoot your own foot off, lol...
>
It's called being fair. Did you at any time in your life understand
that, Spammy?
>
>> The bottom line for me is that IF what Romney says does happen, I
>> might be inclined to support it.
>
>He has his plan up.
>
What insurance do we have that will force him to do exactly what he
says? What insurance do we have that any politician will do what he
says?
>
> But I do not trust the man.
>
Because he's a politician because he openly wants to end our social
programs.
>
>He made plan for Massachusetts.
>
And now he wants to end the plan for America so Mass is the only plan?
>
> I don't
> trust any politician with my life.
>
>You say that but them you go Obama after he GUTTED Medicare.
>
He may have helped take funds from Medicare but gut it? No.
>
> I can see him winning the election
> and leaving the existing seniors to their own plan for the time being
> but will he change his mind in a year and say "no we can't afford
> this, we have to cut more." When cuts are used to balance a budget,
> there is no end to them until there is nothing left to cut.
>
Obama already took over 700 billion $ out, why not go with the actuals
and not your fears?
>
Obama himself didn't take anything and he openly agrees to pay more
out of his own funds.
>
>> As I have mentioned more than once, all they have to do is raise the
>> lid on SS and increase Medicare taxes. Right now Medicare payments are
>> being cut and my supplement insurance is picking up the difference.
>> I am therefore paying more for my supplemental insurance. If I have pay
>> more to keep the system solvent, I am willing to as long as I can
>> afford it. Some measure should be in place for those who can't. Right
>> now we had or used to have Medicaid. Many doctors/hospitals are no
>> longer accepting Medicaid. Is Medicare next?
>
>It is if we keep on Obama's path, at least Romney-Ryan promised to
>sustain it with no cuts for anyone 55 and older.
>
How do we force Romney/RyanCare to fulfull their promises and not
change them as he enters office or a year or so later?
>
>> One more time, My problem with this is I don't know what the outcome
>> of all this is going to be. Until I see it in a bill, a law, I cannot
>> be in support of something I can't see. This is no different than
>> your position when Obama came out with this plan to vote on unseen.
>
>But their plan is up their to be seen.
>
Where do we see that they are forced to follow through on their plan
and not alter it to suit their true agenda which is to do away with
all social programs.
>
>It will, as anything does in legislative sessions, be subject to
>alteration. But to demand a finished product is unrealistic and
>impossible given Congress must act upon it.
>
You expect exactly that from Obama whose plan has yet to come to
fruitition.
>
>That Congress could be a Republican House and Democrat Senate, or it
>less likely could be Rs as majority in both.
>
If up to me, there would be an end to the words, Republican/Democrat.
You would cease voting for a party and to rely on the candidate as
well you should.
>
>What you have now is purely lobbyist/corporate written legalese that
>even our own representatives were too lazy to read.
>
Lobbyists should be as outlawed as political parties. They are of
little use to we the people.
>
>Obama has admitted his dim view of Medicare's future publicly.
>
>Only Ryan and Romney have pledged to save it.
>
They are politicians and their pledges may be empty. Senior Health
Care is too important for a crap shoot with a politician especially
one who comes from a group known to want to get rid of SS/M&M
>
>
>This was a chance for you to respond in a civil manner to a civil post.
>Will you blow it?
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:53:36 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
> wrote:
>
>Yes you did.
>
>> That's it, that's the best you could come up with as a flame?
>
The only flames here come from your mouth, Spammy.
>
> You might concider leaving out all the smart ass remarks you used in
> grade school. All you do is denigrate yourself serving no purpose
> save your own ego.
>
I might "concider" meeting Ellie May down by the cement pond
too..lol...
>
I'm sure you'll do what's right for yourself with no regard for anyone
else. That's yours style.
>
> I swore never to be silent whenever human beings endure suffering and
> humiliation.
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the
victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
> So now you're barking like an old dog who fell into a briar patch.
>
Close your mouth and the barking sound in your head will stop.
>
> We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the
> oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never
> the tormented. While this may be a noble endeavor, time often
> restricts what we can continue to do. I do not spend nearly as much
> time on usenet as you do. I simply don't have that kind of free time.
>
Wowzers, you sure got a real stem winder going here...
>
It's truth, I understand you have a hard time recognizing it.
>
> What we are talking about here is outsourcing.
>
>Um no, I'm not anyway.
>
Of course you are, cutting Medicare/Medicaid and handing it as a gift
to insurance companies, our SS to Wall Street?
What you may have decoupled from topic to is anyone's guess.
>
> This has been tried
> many times wherever funding was accomplished with taxation. All have
> failed. It is not possible to take a given amount of funding for
> anything and spend a portion of that funding to satisfy the profit
> requirements of the vendors and still satisfy the task itself. If the
> existing in-house system doesn't perform as you wish, then you need to
> make the changes necessary to make it work.
>
>That's just brilliant, are we talking health care or small appliance
>manufacturing?
>
It is about health care and social programs and outsourcing them to
your friends so they can get in on the action and take our money.
Don't play stupid.
>
> Obama drained money from Medicare to pay for the AHCA.
>
Let the plan continue then criticize it just as you would have us do
with Romney/RyanCare.
>
>The applicable term is "robbing peter to pay Paul".
>
The way books are balanced. Families have to do that all the time.
We are not all like you, so wealthy you don't need SS/M&M, able to buy
your own doctors, hospitals.
That never works.
>
>>
> The wild claims are exactly that, denigrate the left wing plan to
> impliment your own. Your post was on Baucus and you did mention CNN:
>
> CNN - Special Report Fixing Health Care:
>
> A dangerous secret to the Baucus health bill.
>
> There are two parts to this and I was inclined to post them both but
> they are both dated in 2009. Many things have happened since then and
> I don't see where it would be fair to either side to post them.
>
Iow, you're afraid you'd shoot your own foot off, lol...
>
It's called being fair. Did you at any time in your life understand
that, Spammy?
>
>> The bottom line for me is that IF what Romney says does happen, I
>> might be inclined to support it.
>
>He has his plan up.
>
What insurance do we have that will force him to do exactly what he
says? What insurance do we have that any politician will do what he
says?
>
> But I do not trust the man.
>
Because he's a politician because he openly wants to end our social
programs.
>
>He made plan for Massachusetts.
>
And now he wants to end the plan for America so Mass is the only plan?
>
> I don't
> trust any politician with my life.
>
>You say that but them you go Obama after he GUTTED Medicare.
>
He may have helped take funds from Medicare but gut it? No.
>
> I can see him winning the election
> and leaving the existing seniors to their own plan for the time being
> but will he change his mind in a year and say "no we can't afford
> this, we have to cut more." When cuts are used to balance a budget,
> there is no end to them until there is nothing left to cut.
>
Obama already took over 700 billion $ out, why not go with the actuals
and not your fears?
>
Obama himself didn't take anything and he openly agrees to pay more
out of his own funds.
>
>> As I have mentioned more than once, all they have to do is raise the
>> lid on SS and increase Medicare taxes. Right now Medicare payments are
>> being cut and my supplement insurance is picking up the difference.
>> I am therefore paying more for my supplemental insurance. If I have pay
>> more to keep the system solvent, I am willing to as long as I can
>> afford it. Some measure should be in place for those who can't. Right
>> now we had or used to have Medicaid. Many doctors/hospitals are no
>> longer accepting Medicaid. Is Medicare next?
>
>It is if we keep on Obama's path, at least Romney-Ryan promised to
>sustain it with no cuts for anyone 55 and older.
>
How do we force Romney/RyanCare to fulfull their promises and not
change them as he enters office or a year or so later?
>
>> One more time, My problem with this is I don't know what the outcome
>> of all this is going to be. Until I see it in a bill, a law, I cannot
>> be in support of something I can't see. This is no different than
>> your position when Obama came out with this plan to vote on unseen.
>
>But their plan is up their to be seen.
>
Where do we see that they are forced to follow through on their plan
and not alter it to suit their true agenda which is to do away with
all social programs.
>
>It will, as anything does in legislative sessions, be subject to
>alteration. But to demand a finished product is unrealistic and
>impossible given Congress must act upon it.
>
You expect exactly that from Obama whose plan has yet to come to
fruitition.
>
>That Congress could be a Republican House and Democrat Senate, or it
>less likely could be Rs as majority in both.
>
If up to me, there would be an end to the words, Republican/Democrat.
You would cease voting for a party and to rely on the candidate as
well you should.
>
>What you have now is purely lobbyist/corporate written legalese that
>even our own representatives were too lazy to read.
>
Lobbyists should be as outlawed as political parties. They are of
little use to we the people.
>
>Obama has admitted his dim view of Medicare's future publicly.
>
>Only Ryan and Romney have pledged to save it.
>
They are politicians and their pledges may be empty. Senior Health
Care is too important for a crap shoot with a politician especially
one who comes from a group known to want to get rid of SS/M&M
>
sea of green
Aug 15, 2012, 1:38:44 PM8/15/12
to
On 8/15/2012 9:38 AM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
> On 8/14/2012 8:06 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>>
>> This was a chance for you to respond in a civil manner to a civil post.
>> Will you blow it?
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:53:36 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes you did.
>>
>>> That's it, that's the best you could come up with as a flame?
>>
> The only flames here come from your mouth, Spammy.
You just lied again, old man, AND you also munged the followups to
> On 8/14/2012 8:06 PM, ?@qmail.not wrote:
>>
>> This was a chance for you to respond in a civil manner to a civil post.
>> Will you blow it?
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:53:36 -0600, sea of green<jer...@hill.ary>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes you did.
>>
>>> That's it, that's the best you could come up with as a flame?
>>
> The only flames here come from your mouth, Spammy.
alt.stupid.putz.
That's because you know you can NEVER debate honestly with me, can NEVER
win a single point, can NEVER get one foot of traction.
LOLOL!!!
I OWN you, old man.
>> You might concider leaving out all the smart ass remarks you used in
>> grade school. All you do is denigrate yourself serving no purpose
>> save your own ego.
>>
> I might "concider" meeting Ellie May down by the cement pond
> too..lol...
>>
> I'm sure you'll do what's right for yourself with no regard for anyone
> else. That's yours style.
Given you really do not know me of anything about me, that's just more
kabuki style posturing and empty rhetoric on your part, you sad old Dem
shill.
>> I swore never to be silent whenever human beings endure suffering and
>> humiliation.
> We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the
> victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
>
>> So now you're barking like an old dog who fell into a briar patch.
>>
> Close your mouth and the barking sound in your head will stop.
>> We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the
>> oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never
>> the tormented. While this may be a noble endeavor, time often
>> restricts what we can continue to do. I do not spend nearly as much
>> time on usenet as you do. I simply don't have that kind of free time.
>>
> Wowzers, you sure got a real stem winder going here...
>>
> It's truth, I understand you have a hard time recognizing it.
Dem shill.
Face it, you're outed, game over.
>> What we are talking about here is outsourcing.
>>
>> Um no, I'm not anyway.
>>
> Of course you are,
You lie.
> cutting Medicare/Medicaid and handing it as a gift
> to insurance companies, our SS to Wall Street?
dollars in Medicare , and the Wellpoint written AHCA.
>> This has been tried
>> many times wherever funding was accomplished with taxation. All have
>> failed. It is not possible to take a given amount of funding for
>> anything and spend a portion of that funding to satisfy the profit
>> requirements of the vendors and still satisfy the task itself. If the
>> existing in-house system doesn't perform as you wish, then you need to
>> make the changes necessary to make it work.
>>
>> That's just brilliant, are we talking health care or small appliance
>> manufacturing?
>>
> It is about health care and social programs and outsourcing them to
> your friends so they can get in on the action and take our money.
> Don't play stupid.
Wellpoint?
Does that FACT make you uncomfortable, little Dem troll?
Fucking sit and rotate on it then, you paid shill!
>> Obama drained money from Medicare to pay for the AHCA.
>>
> Let the plan continue then criticize it just as you would have us do
> with Romney/RyanCare.
Let it "continue"?
Why would we do that?
It's BAD legislation right here and now?
Why would we let it get even WORSE????
Why would we let it KILL OFF Medicare?
Huh????
>> The applicable term is "robbing peter to pay Paul".
>>
> The way books are balanced.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/02/side-effects-obamacare-adds-17-trillion-to-long-term-unfunded-government-spending/
Side Effects: Obamacare Adds $17 Trillion to Long-Term Unfunded
Government Spending
Last week, the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff released a
report revealing that, over the next 75 years, Obamacare will add an
additional $17 trillion in unfunded obligations�i.e., the benefits
promised by the federal government that haven�t yet been paid for.
Before Obamacare, federal programs were already responsible for racking
up 75-year unfunded obligations of an astounding $65 trillion. According
to the report, Medicare accounted for $38 trillion, Medicaid was
responsible for over $20 trillion, and Social Security added $7 trillion.
With the enactment of Obamacare, projected federal unfunded obligations
have increased by $17 trillion, now totaling $82 trillion. Obamacare�s
massive Medicaid expansion and new exchange subsidies are largely to blame.
> Families have to do that all the time.
the consequences.
Only you paid DEM SHILLS get to play with other peoples' money and then
run away to your state funded pensions and lavish health care plans.
> We are not all like you, so wealthy you don't need SS/M&M, able to buy
> your own doctors, hospitals.
Your thesis is that _I personally_ can afford to buy doctors and hospitals?
Really?!?!??
What is it that gave you this odd notion anyway?
>> The wild claims are exactly that, denigrate the left wing plan to
>> impliment your own. Your post was on Baucus and you did mention CNN:
>>
>> CNN - Special Report Fixing Health Care:
>>
>> A dangerous secret to the Baucus health bill.
>>
>> There are two parts to this and I was inclined to post them both but
>> they are both dated in 2009. Many things have happened since then and
>> I don't see where it would be fair to either side to post them.
>>
> Iow, you're afraid you'd shoot your own foot off, lol...
>>
> It's called being fair. Did you at any time in your life understand
> that, Spammy?
them, Dem shill.
>>> The bottom line for me is that IF what Romney says does happen, I
>>> might be inclined to support it.
>>
>> He has his plan up.
>>
> What insurance do we have that will force him to do exactly what he
> says?
> What insurance do we have that any politician will do what he
> says?
So why do you trust Obama who has already LIED to you multiple times and:
~ failed to close Gitmo
~ squandered "stimulus"
~ looted Medicare
~ delivered a lobbyist authored Trojan Horse plan to us
~ failed to fix our economy as promised
~ reneged on his promise to serve only one term if his policies failed
Riddle me that, you despicable lying DEM shill.
>>
>> But I do not trust the man.
>>
> Because he's a politician because he openly wants to end our social
> programs.
Why?
Do you PREFER to be lied to and then come back for some more?
>> He made plan for Massachusetts.
>>
> And now he wants to end the plan for America so Mass is the only plan?
In fact he gave reasons why it was designed for that particular state
and NOT the nation as a whole.
Se that's the thing, Romney and Ryan want to return SOVEREIGNTY in such
matters to the individual states so they can best allocate resources
based on their unique and diverse demographics.
Theirs is not a "one size fits all" statist fascism - it's about what
America was built on - the STATES, not the FED!
>> I don't
>> trust any politician with my life.
>>
>> You say that but them you go Obama after he GUTTED Medicare.
>>
> He may have helped take funds from Medicare but gut it? No.
https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/the-one-admits-obamacare-will-increase-costs-healthcare-industry-lays-off-more-workers/
��Obama admitted ObamaCare will increase health care costs. When asked
by a reporter about bending the health care cost curve, President Obama
said this about ObamaCare: �That�s going to increase our costs. We knew
that.�
The first story of the day comes from the Fort Worth Star Telegram in
Texas, where a health insurer called Health Markets has laid off 70
workers and expects up to 180 more as it braces for the costs of
Obamacare and other government mandates:
�HealthMarkets, the North Richland Hills-based seller of health
insurance, laid off 70 employees this month and expects to trim 180 more
positions by the end of the first quarter of 2011, according to a recent
federal filing.
In the Securities and Exchange Commission filing, HealthMarkets blamed
the layoffs on �dropping enrollment levels experienced by the company�s
insurance subsidiaries,� along with national healthcare reform and
�related legislative developments.�
HealthMarkets provides insurance plans to the self-employed, individuals
and small businesses.�
The second story of the day comes from the Worcester Telegram in
Massachusetts, where a local hospital will slash about 50 full-time jobs:
�About 50 full-time jobs will be eliminated at the HealthAlliance
Hospital � Leominster Campus, and one of two planned expansion projects
may be cut back.
Mary Lourdes Burke, chief communications officer for the hospital, said
yesterday the job cuts do not mean 50 layoffs, because some were vacant
positions that will not be filled, and some were positions that had
hours reduced. Also, she said, some union contracts required moving
employees into other posts.
�Ms. Burke attributed the cuts to health care reform, with its
reductions in Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements, along with cuts in
private health insurance reimbursements and increasing co-payments for
patients�David F. Duncan, hospital vice president for facilities, told
the City Council earlier this year that the design may be scaled back
because the new federal health reform law discourages emergency room visits.
�In addition, he said, health care reform is expected to result in the
loss of $24 million in Medicare reimbursements, out of $170 million
total, starting in five years. The state�s health insurance reform laws,
on which the national model is based, have already resulted in at least
that much in losses, Mr. Muldoon said.�
http://online.wsj.com
There was a small but instructive moment in 2010, the summer after the
passage of the Affordable Care Act, that shows why Paul Ryan is so
unusual for Washington.
A panel at the American Enterprise Institute featured Richard Foster,
the Medicare actuary who estimates that ObamaCare's $716 billion in
Medicare cuts will cause one of six hospitals to become unprofitable. In
the audience was Chip Kahn, the president of a for-profit hospital trade
group that lobbied for ObamaCare, who stood up to defend the bargain his
industry cut in return for 30 million new subsidized customers.
Mr. Foster noted that the cuts, which come via a technical change to
Medicare payment rates, apply in perpetuity. But the hospitals only get
the extra patients once, so the wedge between costs and benefits for
hospitals widens over time.
"Well," Mr. Kahn replied, "you can say, 'Did you make a bad deal?'
Fortunately I don't think I'll probably be working after 2020." When Mr.
Foster pressed him, he joked again, "I'm glad my contract only goes
another six years."
This kind of short-range thinking�and intellectual exhaustion�dominates
both parties and their many clients in Washington, in health care
especially.Mr. Ryan's political character has always been different. He
saw before anyone else that one era of government was inexorably ending,
and that if we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
>> I can see him winning the election
>> and leaving the existing seniors to their own plan for the time being
>> but will he change his mind in a year and say "no we can't afford
>> this, we have to cut more." When cuts are used to balance a budget,
>> there is no end to them until there is nothing left to cut.
>>
> Obama already took over 700 billion $ out, why not go with the actuals
> and not your fears?
>>
> Obama himself didn't take anything
http://online.wsj.com
There was a small but instructive moment in 2010, the summer after the
passage of the Affordable Care Act, that shows why Paul Ryan is so
unusual for Washington.
A panel at the American Enterprise Institute featured Richard Foster,
the Medicare actuary who estimates that ObamaCare's $716 billion in
Medicare cuts will cause one of six hospitals to become unprofitable. In
the audience was Chip Kahn, the president of a for-profit hospital trade
group that lobbied for ObamaCare, who stood up to defend the bargain his
industry cut in return for 30 million new subsidized customers.
Mr. Foster noted that the cuts, which come via a technical change to
Medicare payment rates, apply in perpetuity. But the hospitals only get
the extra patients once, so the wedge between costs and benefits for
hospitals widens over time.
"Well," Mr. Kahn replied, "you can say, 'Did you make a bad deal?'
Fortunately I don't think I'll probably be working after 2020." When Mr.
Foster pressed him, he joked again, "I'm glad my contract only goes
another six years."
This kind of short-range thinking�and intellectual exhaustion�dominates
both parties and their many clients in Washington, in health care
especially.Mr. Ryan's political character has always been different. He
saw before anyone else that one era of government was inexorably ending,
and that if we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
>>> As I have mentioned more than once, all they have to do is raise the
>>> lid on SS and increase Medicare taxes. Right now Medicare payments are
>>> being cut and my supplement insurance is picking up the difference.
>>> I am therefore paying more for my supplemental insurance. If I have pay
>>> more to keep the system solvent, I am willing to as long as I can
>>> afford it. Some measure should be in place for those who can't. Right
>>> now we had or used to have Medicaid. Many doctors/hospitals are no
>>> longer accepting Medicaid. Is Medicare next?
>>
>> It is if we keep on Obama's path, at least Romney-Ryan promised to
>> sustain it with no cuts for anyone 55 and older.
>>
> How do we force Romney/RyanCare to fulfull their promises
Do everything you abrogated when you let Obama the Kenyan nightmare ruin
our nation...
>>
>>> One more time, My problem with this is I don't know what the outcome
>>> of all this is going to be. Until I see it in a bill, a law, I cannot
>>> be in support of something I can't see. This is no different than
>>> your position when Obama came out with this plan to vote on unseen.
>>
>> But their plan is up their to be seen.
>>
> Where do we see that they are forced to follow through
Die he "follow through" and save Medicare?
No.
Life comes with NO guarantees, ever.
But you already KNOW Obama has LIED multiple times.
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Some of Obama's Broken Promises
Posted by Randy Hollenbeck on Aug. 14, 2012 | 1 comment
2012 Election, Liberals, Obama
Cut the Deficit in Half: The Romney campaign and other Republicans have
repeatedly pointed out what they consider to be the biggest broken
promise � the president vowing shortly after taking office to cut an
inherited deficit in half by the end of his first term.
The deficit was $1.4 trillion in fiscal 2009 and is projected to dip to
$1.2 trillion this fiscal year, according to the White House budget
office. Even in 2013, the budget office projects the deficit will be
nearly $1 trillion.
�The president has not taken any serious action to tame the deficit,�
Romney told Fox News on Tuesday. �He has not done what he said was
going to do and has left a lot of people in the middle class having
difficult times.�
Fix the Economy: Regardless of when the country�s economic problems
started, the president also vowed during his campaign to fix the economy
in three years. Fourteen months later, he said missing the deadline
would make his presidency a �one-term proposition.�
The U.S. unemployment rate has remained above 8 percent for more than
three years, despite the president's economic adviser predicting one
month into the administration that the president�s roughly $787 billion
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act would keep unemployment below 8
percent and reduce it to about 6 percent by this year.
�By any measure, the president�s approach has failed,� Louisiana Gov.
Bobby Jindal said in a recent op-ed for the Tri-Parish Times.
Close Guantanamo Bay: Obama has also so far been unable to shutter the
Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba, though this is more of a concern
for Obama's base than Republicans.
Obama's effort in 2009 to suspend military commissions in Cuba and his
attempt to transfer some prisoners to an Indiana corrections facility
were met with opposition from the military and Congress. And last year
the president signed a bill that restricted the transfer of prisoners to
the U.S. mainland and essentially allows Guantanamo Bay to remain open
indefinitely.
Televise Health Care Debate: Obama also said repeatedly in his run for
the White House � in TV ads, on the campaign trail and in at least one
debate � that the negotiations on his health care reform plan would be
televised, if he were elected. However, final health care talks,
including the meetings between House and Senate conferees, were held
behind closed doors.
Increase Transparency: Obama once predicted that his administration
would have an �unprecedented� level of transparency.
Lobbyists later told reporters they met with administration officials
outside the White House in a possible effort to keep them off visitors
logs. News agencies and others have complained about the difficulty in
getting information through Freedom of Information Act filings. Most
recently, the president used executive privilege to keep congressional
investigators from getting more Justice Department documents on the
agency�s failed Operation Fast and Furious gun-tracking effort.
"President Obama has run one of the least transparent administrations in
American history," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said
recently. "Whether hiding lobbyists in coffee shops, cutting back-room
deals on ObamaCare, or concealing the records of Fast and Furious,
President Obama's pledge to be transparent has turned out to be just
another broken promise."
>> It will, as anything does in legislative sessions, be subject to
>> alteration. But to demand a finished product is unrealistic and
>> impossible given Congress must act upon it.
>>
> You expect exactly that from Obama whose plan has yet to come to
> fruitition.
By that time he can hope to get the rest of his "let's bankrupt America"
plan through.
>> That Congress could be a Republican House and Democrat Senate, or it
>> less likely could be Rs as majority in both.
>>
> If up to me, there would be an end to the words, Republican/Democrat.
> You would cease voting for a party and to rely on the candidate as
> well you should.
>> What you have now is purely lobbyist/corporate written legalese that
>> even our own representatives were too lazy to read.
>>
> Lobbyists should be as outlawed as political parties. They are of
> little use to we the people.
Lobbying actually serves a purpose, it allows "we the people" to advance
technologies, concepts, complex issues through skilled professionals who
can explain them in detail.
What we NEED is a firewall between who can lobby, when, and under what
circumstances if they also have held or wish to hold elective office in
the immediate past or future.
>> Obama has admitted his dim view of Medicare's future publicly.
>>
>> Only Ryan and Romney have pledged to save it.
>>
> They are politicians and their pledges may be empty.
http://www.cudahynow.com/blogs/communityblogs/166060946.html
Some of Obama's Broken Promises
Posted by Randy Hollenbeck on Aug. 14, 2012 | 1 comment
2012 Election, Liberals, Obama
Cut the Deficit in Half: The Romney campaign and other Republicans have
repeatedly pointed out what they consider to be the biggest broken
promise � the president vowing shortly after taking office to cut an
inherited deficit in half by the end of his first term.
The deficit was $1.4 trillion in fiscal 2009 and is projected to dip to
$1.2 trillion this fiscal year, according to the White House budget
office. Even in 2013, the budget office projects the deficit will be
nearly $1 trillion.
�The president has not taken any serious action to tame the deficit,�
Romney told Fox News on Tuesday. �He has not done what he said was
going to do and has left a lot of people in the middle class having
difficult times.�
Fix the Economy: Regardless of when the country�s economic problems
started, the president also vowed during his campaign to fix the economy
in three years. Fourteen months later, he said missing the deadline
would make his presidency a �one-term proposition.�
The U.S. unemployment rate has remained above 8 percent for more than
three years, despite the president's economic adviser predicting one
month into the administration that the president�s roughly $787 billion
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act would keep unemployment below 8
percent and reduce it to about 6 percent by this year.
�By any measure, the president�s approach has failed,� Louisiana Gov.
Bobby Jindal said in a recent op-ed for the Tri-Parish Times.
Close Guantanamo Bay: Obama has also so far been unable to shutter the
Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba, though this is more of a concern
for Obama's base than Republicans.
Obama's effort in 2009 to suspend military commissions in Cuba and his
attempt to transfer some prisoners to an Indiana corrections facility
were met with opposition from the military and Congress. And last year
the president signed a bill that restricted the transfer of prisoners to
the U.S. mainland and essentially allows Guantanamo Bay to remain open
indefinitely.
Televise Health Care Debate: Obama also said repeatedly in his run for
the White House � in TV ads, on the campaign trail and in at least one
debate � that the negotiations on his health care reform plan would be
televised, if he were elected. However, final health care talks,
including the meetings between House and Senate conferees, were held
behind closed doors.
Increase Transparency: Obama once predicted that his administration
would have an �unprecedented� level of transparency.
Lobbyists later told reporters they met with administration officials
outside the White House in a possible effort to keep them off visitors
logs. News agencies and others have complained about the difficulty in
getting information through Freedom of Information Act filings. Most
recently, the president used executive privilege to keep congressional
investigators from getting more Justice Department documents on the
agency�s failed Operation Fast and Furious gun-tracking effort.
"President Obama has run one of the least transparent administrations in
American history," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said
recently. "Whether hiding lobbyists in coffee shops, cutting back-room
deals on ObamaCare, or concealing the records of Fast and Furious,
President Obama's pledge to be transparent has turned out to be just
another broken promise."
> Senior Health
> Care is too important for a crap shoot with a politician especially
> one who comes from a group known to want to get rid of SS/M&M
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