Kill the new RT feature - it's non-relational
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chuckblakeman
Nov 22, 2009, 10:49:26 AM11/22/09
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AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!
Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only)
degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step
backwards for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of
relationship building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter,
and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I
missing here on what's good about this?
Ignoring Relationship Building
People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's
how we build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find
people I want to meet is that they like what I say, and more often
than not, an RT tells me they like what I say, and I do the same for
them. To keep me from being able to see people who like what I say
removes one of the best ways of building relationships Twitter has. I
NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build
my business.
Elitist Arrogance
Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed
that people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up
your nose at people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that.
This mindset doesn't want to build relationships but just wants to be
able to count how many faceless, nameless people RT them - how
arrogant is that?
Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT -
copy, paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of
work. But that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing
just to gain followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for
spamming. Now by the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing
like changing TV channels w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it
meant enough to them to put a little effort into building that
relationship with you - just stop holding your finger up and let it
fall - that really shows a how much that comment meant to you?
Summary
Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become
less and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability
to build relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it
easier for people to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to
spam people to death. And this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing
it. Facebook is starting to look good all of a sudden.
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!
Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only)
degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step
backwards for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of
relationship building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter,
and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I
missing here on what's good about this?
Ignoring Relationship Building
People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's
how we build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find
people I want to meet is that they like what I say, and more often
than not, an RT tells me they like what I say, and I do the same for
them. To keep me from being able to see people who like what I say
removes one of the best ways of building relationships Twitter has. I
NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build
my business.
Elitist Arrogance
Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed
that people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up
your nose at people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that.
This mindset doesn't want to build relationships but just wants to be
able to count how many faceless, nameless people RT them - how
arrogant is that?
Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT -
copy, paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of
work. But that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing
just to gain followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for
spamming. Now by the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing
like changing TV channels w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it
meant enough to them to put a little effort into building that
relationship with you - just stop holding your finger up and let it
fall - that really shows a how much that comment meant to you?
Summary
Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become
less and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability
to build relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it
easier for people to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to
spam people to death. And this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing
it. Facebook is starting to look good all of a sudden.
Duane Roelands
Nov 22, 2009, 2:12:35 PM11/22/09
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I lost tack of how many times you contradicted yourself, so I'll just
point out the big one.
"AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!"
...and then...
" I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me
build my business."
You didn't have the option to filter retweets from non-followers
before. This feature makes that possible for developers to give you
that feature in client software. So, this feature makes it POSSIBLE
to give you the feature you want when it wasn't possible before.
Maybe you want this feature, maybe you don't. I can't tell from your
ranting which you want or don't want. But, this change puts more
control in the hands of developers and that's a good thing. You may
or may not agree with that. You'll probably agree AND disagree in the
same response.
point out the big one.
"AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs
FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!"
" I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me
build my business."
before. This feature makes that possible for developers to give you
that feature in client software. So, this feature makes it POSSIBLE
to give you the feature you want when it wasn't possible before.
Maybe you want this feature, maybe you don't. I can't tell from your
ranting which you want or don't want. But, this change puts more
control in the hands of developers and that's a good thing. You may
or may not agree with that. You'll probably agree AND disagree in the
same response.
Julio Biason
Nov 22, 2009, 2:26:42 PM11/22/09
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:49 AM, chuckblakeman <cfbla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ignoring Relationship Building
Quite the contrary. If one of my friends retweets someone that I'm not
following and it's interesting enough, I'll probably follow the
original author. It's a way for your followers to show interesting
thoughts and things that they thing THEIR followers will thing it's
interesting enough to follow.
> Elitist Arrogance
As far as I know, you don't see when one of your followers retweets
someone you posted.
> Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
'Cause all Twitter traffic is meaningful? It can be abused, yes. But
EVERYTHING twitter provides in the form of APIs can be abused in a way
or another. Mass following/unfollowing, by any chance?
> Summary
Summary: You don't understand twitter or the new retweet feature.
--
Julio Biason <julio....@gmail.com>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/juliobiason
> Ignoring Relationship Building
Quite the contrary. If one of my friends retweets someone that I'm not
following and it's interesting enough, I'll probably follow the
original author. It's a way for your followers to show interesting
thoughts and things that they thing THEIR followers will thing it's
interesting enough to follow.
> Elitist Arrogance
As far as I know, you don't see when one of your followers retweets
someone you posted.
> Increased Meaningless RT Traffic
'Cause all Twitter traffic is meaningful? It can be abused, yes. But
EVERYTHING twitter provides in the form of APIs can be abused in a way
or another. Mass following/unfollowing, by any chance?
> Summary
Summary: You don't understand twitter or the new retweet feature.
--
Julio Biason <julio....@gmail.com>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/juliobiason
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