LAN in April? Pre- U of MN's

[Nushlong]

I think we can push in a LAN before the U of MN's 4/23. It is a good
way to get to know each other / building a network / have FUN,
etc... We can test the water and see if we are ready to plan for a
June, July Event. What do you think? I am looking looking at April
9th, or even April 2nd. It does not have to be fancy, I bring my sc2
friends, you bring yours, invite the U of MN, etc. I think we can get
30-40, it is a good start for networking, $5-10 registration fee,
we can try to get some gift card for the winner. Ideas?
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Nush

[Ted Keyport]

Yeah this would be cool, I would do this. Do we have someplace we can
do it at yet?

[miles]

I believe this would be a LAN world tournament. I like Nush's idea
where we each invite a few friends then we can easily get 30 people...
make it a 5-10$ registration, find a sponsor or 2 to give out prizes,
and good chance to try and stream it as well... give some experience
to guys who want to try casting.

[Scott674]

So, steps involved in making this happen would be as follows?

Check into Lan World to see about having lan party there.
Do we need to book the whole building?
What would max capacity be?
How much would it cost? (Will people need to pay Lan World AND out
5-10$ reg fee?)
Get word out to people so they know and will show up
Team Liquid
U of M
Lan World
Maybe others like reddit or something? I rarely visit reddit...
don't know what kind of community they have.
Locate sponsors
I've got no clue on this...
Locate casters
Probably similar to getting word out to people to show up,
Advertise the open caster slots on TL
Maybe setup a Minneapolis Starcraft 2 Justin.TV stream? Or let the
casters use their own streaming?

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[Nushlong]

I looking at 4/9. Noon- 2:00 am. I think we can pull this, please let
me know if you cancel, willing to help. Sc2 games networking, if you
love sc2. This meant draw out diamond and master league players for
networking. Housing want to miss. Nush. 4 weeks is notices is good
enough, you think?

[Alan aka Siraz]

I can make that date for sure.

[miles]

Nush is going on vacation but we spoke this morning and he wanted me
to confirm with everyone that we are going ahead with the april 9th
time. It will be 10$ per person (5 is going to LANworld) which is 5
bucks off their normal price which is nice... and then the remaining
will go to a prize pool. Lan world may also give out a gift
certificate as a prize and we are looking for maybe a prize or 2 more
to raffle off at the end. So we just need to tie up a few loose ends
then start inviting our friends. If anyone has any thoughts...
ideas... input let me know but otherwise we are going ahead with April
9th :)

RTS

[Alan aka Siraz]

Once that date is finalized let me know and I'll start spreading the
word. Also, we might want to contact blizz about it. They seem to
want to know about all tournies with prize money. Even though this is
probably too small for them to really care.

[miles]

yeah we have the form... but i dont know if we need to do it for this
one because its so small... but we may as well try... and if they deny
it we just wont cast it live lol :) Just make and release VOD's

[tyler....@mail.northcentral.edu]

This might be a dumb question, idk...If I want to just come watch am I
still required to pay?

On Mar 11, 4:00 pm, miles <routinetraffics...@gmail.com> wrote:

[miles]

hmmm that is a good question. Thats something we may have to check
on. We may be able to do that for free or for 5$ maybe? I need to
check with LAN World and see what they say about that.

However we may have pizza for people, and also prizes to raffle at the
end. Also it would add to the prize pool for our players. So your
5-10$ would go to a good cause. I'll double check if your not
participating in the tournament we may be able to do 5$ but I need to
check so don't quote me on that.

On Mar 12, 12:50 pm, "tyler.mci...@mail.northcentral.edu"

[Tyler McIver]

Ok thanks, and what is the general projected skill lvl...i love to watch but im not very good so it would have to be pretty poor for me to play ha

[miles]

I think we may do a bronze-platinum bracket... and a diamond/masters
bracket. We have people of all skills interested in playing and
participating. To keep people engaged and allow them to play at least
2-3 games in the tournament (other games available after elimination,
and after the tournament we can do king of the hill, FFA's
2v2/3v3/4v4's and other things too)

So i'll leave it at that for now.. we will me making the official
announcement in about 4-5 days tops so you will have all the details
by then.. for now i'm doing my best to answer the Q's :)

Have a good one,
RTS

On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, Tyler McIver <tyler.mci...@mail.northcentral.edu>
wrote:

[Tyler McIver]

Awesome! Thanks for your effort and for replying! 

[Michael Rydzeski]

I'm having a graphic designer friend of mine whip up a logo for us. Also, I can start work on a website for us if nobody has done that yet.

[Tom Henchal]

Will you be making Flyers at all? I have a lot of people interested in going but would like more specific information regarding the location, time, cost ect.

[Tom Henchal]

Before I forget, have you thought about map pools for the tournament, as well as the tournament format, single/double elimination?

[Ted Keyport]

As i remember, it was a group based format. We'd divide ourselves into divisions and everyone would be put into a group, and play everyone in that group once unless there was a tie. Top two or so from each group would advance, then it was best of three until the finals, which were best of 5.

The most logical choice for map pool would be the ladder pool, but I'm not digging all of the new maps (slag pits = EWW), so i think if we did something like:

Metal / TalDarim / Crossfire / Crevasse / Shattered Temple / Scrap / iCCup Testbug? I would also accept iCCup Match Point.

Then give each player a veto. (maybe two vetos? that way both players could be happy with the map choice, and it would let non/gsl players/watchers be able to veto the masp they haven't seen before).

Personally, i think it'd be badass if we used that gay island map and desert oasis, but i'd get it if people shot that idea down.

[Michael Rydzeski]

I think having groups is best because first of all players would get a chance to play more than one person before getting knocked out. Secondly, it would give us a sort of seed system for the brackets based on how each player does in their group.

[Alan aka Siraz]

Idk I think that map pool sucks personally. Scrap is garbage and
honestly metal/shattered temple have the close spawn position issue.
I think Xel/TalDarim/Crossfire/Crevasse/Testbug would be a decent
pool. It has a 2 2player maps a 3 player map and 2 4 player maps. No
terrible imbalances and good variety. Can make the finals a BO5 and
for other rounds can just use a veto system.

On Mar 15, 4:32 pm, Michael Rydzeski <mdr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think having groups is best because first of all players would get a
> chance to play more than one person before getting knocked out. Secondly, it
> would give us a sort of seed system for the brackets based on how each
> player does in their group.
>  On Mar 15, 2011 3:33 PM, "Ted Keyport" <tnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > As i remember, it was a group based format. We'd divide ourselves into
> > divisions and everyone would be put into a group, and play everyone in
> that
> > group once unless there was a tie. Top two or so from each group would
> > advance, then it was best of three until the finals, which were best of 5.
>
> > The most logical choice for map pool would be the ladder pool, but I'm not
> > digging all of the new maps (slag pits = EWW), so i think if we did
> > something like:
>
> > Metal / TalDarim / Crossfire / Crevasse / Shattered Temple / Scrap / iCCup
> > Testbug? I would also accept iCCup Match Point.
>
> > Then give each player a veto. (maybe two vetos? that way both players
> could
> > be happy with the map choice, and it would let non/gsl players/watchers be
> > able to veto the masp they haven't seen before).
>
> > Personally, i think it'd be badass if we used that gay island map and
> desert
> > oasis, but i'd get it if people shot that idea down.
>

> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Tom Henchal <tomhenc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Before I forget, have you thought about map pools for the tournament, as
> >> well as the tournament format, single/double elimination?
>

> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Tom Henchal <tomhenc...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >>> Will you be making Flyers at all? I have a lot of people interested in
> >>> going but would like more specific information regarding the location,
> time,
> >>> cost ect.
>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Michael Rydzeski <mdr...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >>>> I'm having a graphic designer friend of mine whip up a logo for us.
> Also,
> >>>> I can start work on a website for us if nobody has done that yet.
> >>>> On Mar 12, 2011 9:09 PM, "Tyler McIver" <

> >>>> tyler.mci...@mail.northcentral.edu> wrote:
> >>>> > Awesome! Thanks for your effort and for replying!
>

> >>>> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM, miles <routinetraffics...@gmail.com>

[Ted Keyport]

oh yeah, i forgot about xel. yeah that pool is fine, although it'd be nice to have a few more options in there so we can see some diverse games. and i just said scrap because its in the GSL pool. :X

[Alan Klein]

Well there is always Terminus RE, or Typhon Peaks  also, match point or desert oasis could be interesting as you suggested.  I don't know if a larger map pool is exactly better.   Mainly because people need to learn more maps then and it is not like a lot of these maps are on the ladder.  Granted, its not like this is going to be the most competitive lan ever or anything so meh.

[Scott674]

I like Siraz's suggestion:

"I think Xel/TalDarim/Crossfire/Crevasse/Testbug would be a decent
pool. It has a 2 2player maps a 3 player map and 2 4 player maps.
No
terrible imbalances and good variety. Can make the finals a BO5 and
for other rounds can just use a veto system. "

On Mar 15, 4:50 pm, Alan Klein <ajklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well there is always Terminus RE, or Typhon Peaks  also, match point or
> desert oasis could be interesting as you suggested.  I don't know if a
> larger map pool is exactly better.   Mainly because people need to learn
> more maps then and it is not like a lot of these maps are on the ladder.
>  Granted, its not like this is going to be the most competitive lan ever or
> anything so meh.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Ted Keyport <tnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > oh yeah, i forgot about xel. yeah that pool is fine, although it'd be nice
> > to have a few more options in there so we can see some diverse games. and i
> > just said scrap because its in the GSL pool. :X
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[Alan Klein]

Oh and I really like the group format idea Ted.

[miles]

Some good ideas flowing here guys! I thought I may weigh in quick. I
like the idea of a larger map pool that includes some of the old
ladder maps, some of the new, and some of the GSL maps... along with a
2 map veto system. I also remember we talked about having group stage
matches in the beginning so each player plays at least 2 games before
elimination. We could do GSL format where we potentially have a 3rd
game for the winners for seeding (2 advance). Or we do seeding by
Ladder rank/wins/win % so group stage isn't too long. After that I
think it should be single elimination Bo3 until final 8 (Bo5) with the
grand final (Bo7)

Now that we are thinking of it should we have a separate 1v1
tournament for the bronze-platinum players or include them knowing
they are guaranteed at least 2 matches and a bigger prize pool. OR a
slightly smaller prize pool for Diamond/Masters and a small prize pool
for bronze-plat.

Also I would like to announce I'm taking care of pizza... or at least
9-10 pizzas max :) for the group... So if anyone knows a local st.
paul/maplewood pizza joint that may want to be a sponsor i.e. give a
decent rate on multiple pizzas for a shout-out on stream and too the
group let me know... i'm going to be making phone calls myself in a
few days here to have it arranged :)

I think we got casting/streaming down (for the most part)... Alan you
should join Mike and I on skype one of these nights to practice
casting with us... I know your an experienced caster however I think
if we get a flow working together it will be better when we get to our
first lan here.

Also a few people said they were going to talk to their place of work
and try to get a gift card for the event as another prize.

Another "also" I'm thinking I maybe should fill out the blizzard form
to make this legit... however if they dont approve it we will go
forward with the event and just not cast it live (just record vod's
and post those on youtube/justin.tv/own3d accounts...

Other than that I will call Nush tomorrow... and Lan World... take the
advice of you guys here... and tie it into an official announcement.


i'm getting giddy with excitement! Giggity goo...

RTS

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[Alan Klein]

Well,  I was thinking a lot about how to set up a tournament today for an unknown number of players and I think something like this would work well. I think trying to run 2 tournaments(one for lowbies and one for highbies) at once sounds annoying.  I think using a group format that would feed into the top 8 or top 4 would be a good way to allow everyone that enters to play a good number of games as well as limit the time it takes to complete the tournament.  I think something like this would work well for like 20-30 players.

Phase 1

Seed everyone that wants to play  based on division and rank.  Then organize them into 4 groups as follows.  Seed 1 guy in group A, seed 2 guy in group B, seed 3 guy in group C, seed 4 guy in group D. seed 5 guy in group A etc etc.  This would make it easy to  have a variable number of players.  So say we have 20 people that would be 4 groups of 5.

The groups would then play a round robin of bo1s and the top 2 from each group(determined by wins, ties would be determined by bo1) would advance to the bracket.

Phase 2

Would be a 8 man bracket seeded from the groups.  Would look something like this:

A1-

B2-----

C1-----  -------

D2

A2                  --------(finals)

B1-----  -------   

C2-----

D1

I think bo3s would work well until until a bo5 finals.  Honestly bo7 would be too much for a finals imo.  Usually you only see Bo7s in show matches or huge tournies where the finals is on a different day.  If we did a bo7 bo5 semis sort of format the winner would be playing 20+ games potentially which is really hard.

Anyways, let me know what you guys think.  Oh and my skype is siraz.tv.

[Aaron Miles]

I just posted a semi-official format.. but its still up for discussion change... i'll add ya on skype... Mike and I are on now but I got to get off soon.  I'll be on later for sure.  Hopefully we can plan a couple of 2 hour slots where we can practice together before the tournament.

Thanks for the input and will talk to you soon!

RTS

[Alan aka Siraz]

Yeah I saw that right after I posted this lol.

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[miles]

I think you may be right about the bo5 semi and bo7 final... maybe we
can do a bo3 semi and a bo7 final... or maybe just keep a bo5 final...
we will see... maybe we can have it uf we gave 20-30 ppl a bo7... and
30-40 ppl a bo5... just thinkin

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