Alec Baldwin fired the gun that killed a person on New Mexico movie set

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Steve Timko

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Oct 21, 2021, 10:52:36 PM10/21/21
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Kevin M.

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Oct 21, 2021, 11:21:16 PM10/21/21
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Normally the viewing audience are his worst victims. 

Too soon?

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Oct 21, 2021, 11:43:37 PM10/21/21
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From: tvor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin M.

>Normally the viewing audience are his worst victims. 

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>Too soon?

 

Chappelle says go for it.

 

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M-D November

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Oct 22, 2021, 12:58:20 AM10/22/21
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I hear Baldwin is killing it on this film.
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PGage

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Oct 22, 2021, 8:53:23 AM10/22/21
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I have read several accounts of this horrible incident; it seems officials are leaning over backwards to avoid saying it was an accident. I assume there is no question of intentional injury (wasn’t that a plot line of a Columbo episode?) but it seems there must be some question of negligence or not following safety protocols?

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Kevin M.

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Oct 22, 2021, 9:22:13 AM10/22/21
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:53 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have read several accounts of this horrible incident; it seems officials are leaning over backwards to avoid saying it was an accident. I assume there is no question of intentional injury (wasn’t that a plot line of a Columbo episode?) but it seems there must be some question of negligence or not following safety protocols?

Whomever was in charge of props (sometimes there is a specific firearms propmaster on set, but this was supposedly a low budget indie film) is responsible for inspecting all weapons to ensure they are safe and that actors are trained in their usage. The liability will rest on that person’s shoulders, not Baldwin’s. That said, in a civil suit, they will inevitably sue whomever has the most money, regardless of actual liability, and that is likely to be Baldwin. 

And yes, the basic idea was used in Columbo. 


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Oct 22, 2021, 10:49:38 AM10/22/21
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After Jon-Erik Hexxum killed himself with a prop gun in 1984 the entertainment industry adopted much tougher rules for using guns, Jon Hamm told a hilarious story on WTF about working on a low-budget cable TV cop show where they could draw guns but couldn't fire them because they didn't have the money to hire a safety expert. So instead they always hit the bad guy in the head to knock him out.
In Nevada, felony stupid (reckless disregard) is enough to get someone charged with second degree murder in a death. I don't know what the New Mexico law is.
And then there's Baldwin's infamous temper.

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Adam Bowie

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Oct 22, 2021, 12:26:04 PM10/22/21
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Since none of us really knows the full details, I'm not going to speculate here. And I see Baldwin has just Tweeted his heartbreak: https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin

One interesting thing I noted on Twitter elsewhere was Craig Zobel, the director of Mare of Easttown amongst others, noting that these days, doing gunshots in VFX is far easier than it used to be. On Easttown, all the gun effects were added in afterwards.

https://twitter.com/craigzobel/status/1451405649070407682

And Rian Johnson, director of Knives Out amongst others, in response to a VFX artist who similarly explained what's doable these days, points out that when shooting on film, with only 24 frames a second, you might actually miss the gunflare that you're no doubt hoping to capture.

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1451438949440892928

While VFX adds cost, I suspect that these kinds of shots are pretty easy to do. In any event, I'm sure it'll become much more the norm in the wake of this accident.



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Bob Jersey

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Oct 22, 2021, 4:06:32 PM10/22/21
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Frrreshhhh from the Dog Trainer, to whom I just paid $1 for six months: 6 camera-crew members walked off the set in protest hours before the incident, sources said... as my mother would have said, Alec's ass is grass...


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Kevin M.

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Oct 22, 2021, 5:00:34 PM10/22/21
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I’ve been on the record disliking Alec Baldwin long before it was fashionable, not because of his politics, but because of a combination of his lack of character and lack of talent. But as they tend to do, conservative social media (and more than a few high ranking GOP politicians) are vilifying the guy before any of the facts are in. I cannot stand Baldwin, but I don’t believe he intended to actually shoot or kill anyone. If it turns out decisions to cut corners on crew safety were made by him, that’d certainly be in keeping with his reputation as a bastard, but we don’t know that yet. I’m fully prepared to have another reason to dislike a Baldwin brother, but I’ll hold off until I know more details. 

In the meantime, if Baldwin had an ounce of compassion, he’d pay the whole crew out of his own pocket for the full scheduled duration of the shoot, but scrub the project… this is not a film anybody needs to see, and the public relations cost to release the film is going to be larger than any profit made from the picture. 

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Bob Jersey

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Oct 22, 2021, 6:54:10 PM10/22/21
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This Deadline piece lists a bunch of other producers involved, plus a couple of financiers including the vaunted CAA, so how invested Baldwin is in it remains to be seen.


Still, that won't rule out a total scrap as Kevin suggested, given some critics will invoke at least one of the Hexum incident, the Brandon Lee death on "The Crow," or even the Vic Morrow death from Twilight Zone: The Movie, even though it involved much-larger-scale explosives than the prop gun.

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Bob Jersey

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Oct 22, 2021, 7:08:02 PM10/22/21
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The state's version of OSHA is on the case, and could impose its own penalties even if criminal charges don't ensue.


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Bob Jersey

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Oct 22, 2021, 8:16:44 PM10/22/21
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Here's Aypee's version: an assistant director handed Alec the gun, ASS-uming it wasn't loaded...


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Kevin M.

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Oct 24, 2021, 10:44:58 AM10/24/21
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Looks like a potential scapegoat has been named 


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Tom Wolper

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Oct 24, 2021, 1:37:27 PM10/24/21
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 10:44 AM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are a lot of articles out there now with interviews with prop masters and armorers about what the safety protocols are and what went wrong. They all say safety is the responsibility of the first assistant director. There might be other ripples of responsibility that emanate out from this, like the money people not approving a budget that would assure safety, but it's not scapegoating to hold the first AD accountable.

Kevin M.

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Oct 24, 2021, 2:01:46 PM10/24/21
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Claudia Black, of Farscape and SG-1 fame, wrote a good Twitter thread about being on a set with firearms. 


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Kevin M.

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Oct 25, 2021, 9:34:15 PM10/25/21
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The Trump family handling the situation exactly as you expect they would 

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Bob Jersey

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The chairperson of the state Senate Labor committee reacts as well... with a guns-and-ammo-ban bill...


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Brad Beam

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Oct 26, 2021, 5:45:41 PM10/26/21
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>The chairperson of the state Senate Labor committee reacts as well... with a guns-and-ammo-ban bill...

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Elsewhere:

Ireland pays it forward, defending her father with a  “rude, thoughtless pig”-worthy response to conservative no-goodnik Candace Owens.

https://god.dailydot.com/ireland-baldwin-candace-owens

Kevin M.

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Oct 26, 2021, 5:47:18 PM10/26/21
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I’m not a gun advocate, and I have no love of the 2nd Amendment, however, the problem would seem to be one of adhering to and enforcing the very strict safety protocols and procedures. In this specific instance, the problem is not the guns. That said, if realism can be faked (forgive the irony) without actual weaponry on set, then so be it. 

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Bob Jersey

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Oct 27, 2021, 3:39:42 PM10/27/21
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LAT thinkin' it's a good time to 'splain the deal with actors being credited as producers, also common in TV:


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Steve Timko

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Nov 3, 2021, 1:31:07 PM11/3/21
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This is a really deep dive into the facts of the case and some speculation on possible legal ramifications.


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Bob Jersey

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Alec quits Twitter, again, following his seemingly-confident interview with Stephanopoulos...


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Bob Jersey

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Santa Fe cops have a search warrant for Baldwin's cell.


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Bob Jersey

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The armourer from the production is suing the prop supplier for providing live ammo she thought were dummy bullets.

Moi, Dec 17th 2021:

Bob Jersey

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Said armourer was emailed by the film's line producer scolding her for paying more attention to guns than to other props for which she was also responsible... she responded, saying trying to do both jobs was "when mistakes get made"...

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Bob Jersey

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Here's the wrongful death suit from the victim's kin...


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Bob Jersey

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Halyna's husband, utterly p*ssed with Baldwin, taped an interview with NBC News, which will air tomorrow (24) on "Today."

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Bob Jersey

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New Mexico fines "Rust" nearly $137k for safety violations. Court review likely. Hannah Gutierrez Reed's attorney said that had anyone from the production called her back inside the church on set, nobody would have gotten shot or killed. (Duh.)


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Moi, Feb 23rd: