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Mark Smith

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Jan 6, 2024, 9:41:26 AM1/6/24
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Re: Courtroom
Perry Mason for old school; especially the episode where he lost a case.
Night Court for what passes for current day justice [but one with no hookers!]

To Kill a Mockingbird  court scene for what was wrong in the past;
especially all black people in the balcony. 

On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 4:21 AM <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 07:08PM -0800

Even though his first success was the Western dramedy "Here Come the
Brides," he later starred in the 1979 Stephen King mini-series "Salem's
Lot" and had a good career has a pop singer ("Don't GIve Up on Us" hit
number one in 1976), David Soul's career will be dominated by his role as
the brainy police sergeant Kenneth Richard “Hutch” Hutchinson on the ABC
buddy cop show "Starsky and Hutch," which ran for four years in the 70s as
part of the Fred Silverman/Aaron Spelling hot streak at the Alphabet--Mr.
Soul and co-star Paul Michael Glaser recreated their roles for the 2004
movie with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, which played the show more for
laughs:
 
https://www.thewrap.com/david-soul-dies-starky-and-hutch/
"Kevin M." <drunkba...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 07:21PM -0800

A few years ago I tried giving Starsky & Hutch a rewatch. As a kid I
recalled watching it; I figured the kitsch/nostalgia factor would make me
enjoy it as an adult. It did not. I think the actors did the best with what
they were given, but they weren’t given much. It wasn’t even cliche or
filled with stereotypes; it was just bad.
 
As for his music, fur reasons I’ve never been able to explain to myself or
others, I’ve never been able to distinguish David Soul from David Gates
(the lead singer of Bread), so I just avoid them both.
 
Kevin M. (RPCV)
 
 
Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 09:21PM -0800

Not to speak ill of the dead, but I never forgave David Soul for the Casablanca prequel on TV. He played Rick.
I like Bread, by the way.
 
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Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 03:38PM -0800

As part of a carriage fee agreement with Disney that knocked a bunch of
Unca Walt's zombie cable channels (or close to it) off of Charter's
Spectrum service, subscribers to the Select tier will now have the ad tier
of Disney+ with no additional charge (no Hulu beta hub for now unless
they're already a Hulu subscriber)--ESPN+ is coming for free to the Select
Plus Tier soon:
 
https://www.thewrap.com/ad-supported-disney-plus-spectrum-tv-select/
 
For the record, here's what Disney channels are still on Charter and what
aren't:
 
ARE:
ABC-owned stations (WABC, KABC, KGO, WPVI, etc.)
Disney Channel
FX
NatGeo
All ESPN channels
 
AREN"T:
Baby TV
Disney Junior
Disney XD
Freeform
FXM
FXX (gonna have to watch next season of "Sunny in Philly" on Hulu)
NatGeo Wild
NatGeo Mundo
"Kevin M." <drunkba...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 12:55PM -0800

I need to show my middle school class how a courtroom functions. Opening
statements, examination, cross examination, closing arguments. Should be
one hour or less. Looking for the best example.
 
It’s harder than you think. Perry Mason is unrealistic in nearly every
episode. LA Law doesn’t show most trials complete.
 
Kevin M. (RPCV)
Adam Snavely <snave...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 03:08PM -0600

Longtime listener first time caller.
 
It may sound counter intuitive, but My Cousin Vinny is frequently used in
law school and continuing legal education trainings. Same with Few Good
Men. Obviously you’d need to edit it to get them down to the required run
time. I remember really enjoying the first season of Murder One, but it’s
been a long time so I can’t comment on the realism anymore.
 
Good luck.
 
Adam J. Snavely
Attorney at Law
 
 
 
Doug Eastick <eas...@eastick.ca>: Jan 05 04:23PM -0500

I love this reply. Thank you Adam, and welcome.
 
May I suggest Legally Blonde? :)
 
More seriously, the only thing I've watched recently with courtrooms was
the Netflix Lincoln Lawyer. Some of that might cover your desired
elements.
 
 
 
PGage <pga...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 02:10PM -0800

Second Vinny. I’m not a lawyer, but used to work on a unit for people found
incompetent to stand trial, and a lot of our job was to stage Mock Trials
so they could learn and demonstrate sufficient understanding of court
proceedings to be found competent. We found Vinny to be uniquely valuable,
both because of its accuracy and its structure, which is basically teaching
a novice lawyer how to conduct a trial.
 
Perry is not so much inaccurate (he is, but not as much as often claimed)
but in the TV show he rarely goes to trial. Most of what we see is a
Preliminary Hearing, where judges have a lot of discretion to waive formal
procedures, since there is no jury. So not a helpful teaching tool.
 
Law and Order could be useful, but you would probably need a knowledgeable
attorney to pick and choose excerpts from several episodes to get useful
examples of a whole trial.
 
Probably not appropriate for Middle School, but I like most of the court
stuff on Goliath.
 
 
 
 
 
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Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 05 12:29PM -0800

The first original AppleTV+ film to get a full theatrical run, Martin
Scorsese's epic will make its TV debut next Friday on the streamer, a week
before the Oscar nominations come out and should come out big for the
film--"Napoleon" should follow and the less Oscar-baity "Argylle" comes out
at the theaters Feb. 2:
 
https://www.thewrap.com/killers-of-the-flower-moon-streaming-release-date/
Bob Jersey <bobj...@ptd.net>: Jan 05 11:07AM -0800

The podcast theater closed in 2022, after a group led by Smith acquired a
five-screen cinema in nearby Atlantic Highlands, which has hosted multiple
high-profile events (e.g. a George RR Martin appearance) but hasn't made as
much from "regular" exhibiting... Smith's plans include at least one
auction of stuff from his films, followed by an anniversary screening of *Zack
and Miri..., *and he's working on a reality show as well as a movie set in
a theater (this one)...
https://www.nj.com/entertainment/2024/01/kevin-smith-is-battling-to-keep-his-nj-childhood-movie-afloat.html?gift=5eb51215-a515-4640-b10c-ef7201f55f91 (gift
link from the NJ Newhouse papers, expires Jan 12th '24 around 2.08pm east)
B
 
Moi, July 11th 2021:
 
The now-shuttered video shop between QS and the theater will house *Clerks
III*'s CBD shop we referred to back in February... have they started on
that yet?
 
https://groups.google.com/g/tvornottv/c/tiKXPk7LBXk/m/AfjakzcYAwAJ (link)
B
 
Kevin M, July 10th:
 
He’s opening a podcast theater in Jersey — next door to the convenience
store he made famous— for live events, similar to the “SmodCastle” he had
in Hollywood for a while.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-smith-clerks-jay-silent-bob-smodcastle-podcasting-theater-quick-stop-new-jersey-184556924.html
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double jeopardy om 3rd round is confusing but correct!

Re J UK

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Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk>: Jan 08 06:22PM

ITV has been airing their new Stephen Fry-hosted episodes of Jeopardy! They
only placed an initial order of 20 episodes which are airing at 4pm
weekdays just ahead of The Chase. But the first episode did get a slightly
later airing on New Year's Day. But that timeslot is probably going to
limit their audience a bit. However, ITV's afternoons from 3-6pm are all
hour-long quizshow formats.
 
I've not seen enough of the original Jeopardy! to know how it's very
different. To my eyes, the sets, graphics, and music are all the same. But
ITV has stretched episodes out to an hour. And you need to remember that UK
broadcasting rules prohibit stuffing as many minutes of commercial airtime
in our shows as the US allows. In other words, one UK commercial hour needs
more content than two US commercial half hours - or two episodes of
Jeopardy!
 
All of this means that Fry can be a bit more relaxed, and add a few
interjections of his own - clarifying answers, adding details and so on.
And we get longish chats with contestants, which most of the 45-60 min
quizshows tend to include. He also has to be a tiny bit lenient about
contestants getting the answer format 100% right, since it's not built into
UK viewers DNA just yet.
 
The hour runtime also means we get *two* rounds of Jeopardy! before we get
to Double Jeopardy! and then Final Jeopardy! as usual. A Radio Times puff
piece included this:
 
"As Fry mentioned, participants are able to play an extra round in
comparison to the original format. This has been done to increase the
stakes for the players."
 
But it's pretty clear that ITV wanted an hour long show, and that's the
sole reason for the extra round.
 
Overall, while I like Fry, and the level of questions is high, I'm not sure
how well this will do. I think it needs a longer run. I can't say I'll be
going out of my way to watch it. Fry has also recorded six primetime
episodes for Australian TV, on the same UK set, but with Australian
contestants.
 
 
Adam
Jim Ellwanger <trai...@ellwanger.tv>: Jan 08 10:46AM -0800

Three rounds of "Jeopardy!" in a one-hour slot is not unknown to Americans - that's the format of the prime-time "Celebrity Jeopardy!" series. (In that case, dollar amounts are 1x/2x/3x, although the first round values are $100 to $500 - on regular "Jeopardy!", the first round values have been $200 to $1,000 since 2001.)
 
I saw the first UK episode, and to me, the very weirdest thing is that there's no commercial break in the middle of the first two rounds, but there IS a commercial break in the middle of the Double Jeopardy! round - seems like you'd want to play the most high-stakes round all the way through with no break in order to maximize tension. (And then there's no commercial break between that round and Final Jeopardy!, although it was pretty clear that there was an edit while the contestants formulated their wagers.)
 
Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk>: Jan 08 07:10PM

The allowable break structure for UK commercials is a whole can of worms.
Ofcom, the UK regulator, has strict rules about the number of breaks, the
duration of ads, and the distribution of the break structures. Ordinarily a
show between 45 and 59 minutes (which Jeopardy! UK would count as),
would only be allowed two *commercial *breaks. Oh, and you can't place an
ad-break right near the end of a show because there would be too little
time between breaks. That's why they've gone for the middle of Double
Jeopardy! rather than before Final Jeopardy!
 
In the shows I've seen, there are three breaks - at the ends of rounds one
and two, and also in the middle of Double Jeopardy! That would seem to be
against the rules. Except the third break in the UK doesn't actually
contain any commercial messaging - just trailers for other ITV shows. And
that's allowed. I think the show has been built with that structure to
allow it to air elsewhere (e.g. Australian TV is also taking the Stephen
Fry UK episodes).
 
It's a weird workaround, and you can read our rules in detail here if you
want to:
 
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/16328/rules.pdf
 
The more obnoxious thing commercial broadcasters do to get around rules is
commonly used on some channels in movies. Because there are limits in how
many breaks you can place in a movie, the workaround for broadcasters is to
essentially place an intermission where a rubbish five minute
"entertainment" show is added. This means the film is in two separate
parts. And it basically allows an extra break to be inserted. It makes a
mockery of watching the film and having to endure mind numbing rubbish in
the middle, with extra ads. Obviously I would never watch a film on a
channel that does this.
 
 
 
 
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 10:01AM -0800

The branded Bleacher Report tier containing live game telecasts from the
Turner channels needs to have "tech integrations," or so they say, and thus
the building of the paywall ($10 a month) has been postponed from Mar. 1
for the immediate future, basically meaning that all of Turner's NCAA
basketball tournament telecasts (including the Final Four) and NBA and NHL
playoff games will be available for no extra charge to Max
subscribers--thank you, Daddy Zaslav:
 
https://deadline.com/2024/01/max-br-sports-streaming-delayed-launch-warner-bros-discovery-1235696080/
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 08:36AM -0800

Nigel Lythgoe, the co-creator, co-producer and judge on the long-running
Fox reality comp "So You Think You Can Dance," has left the show a week
after Paula Abdul filed a sexual assault lawsuit against him over alleged
actions while she was working on "American Idol," which he co-created and
co-produced, and then on "Dance" in 2015, when she was a panelist for that
year--Lythgoe denies the accusations, but has still decided to leave,
perhaps to the relief of Fox and show producers Industrial Media and dick
clark productions (what a week for dcp!):
 
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/06/1223303666/nigel-lythgoe-so-you-think-you-can-dance-sexual-assault-allegations?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20240108&utm_term=9197775&utm_campaign=news&utm_id=10634280&orgid=309&utm_att1=
 
My own concern for "Dance" this season (which starts Mar. 4) is that Cat
Deeley, who I see as more the heart and soul of the show more than anyone
else, will not be back as host. Her love and support for the contestants
will be greatly missed.
Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk>: Jan 08 05:51PM

I'm pretty sure that even though she lives in the UK these days (her
husband, Patrick Kielty, presents Irelands long-running, and highly
prestigious, Late Late Show), Cat Deeley is still hosting SYTYCD.
 
Looking around the internet, it started shooting in Atlanta last month.
 
 
Adam
 
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:53AM -0800

Then I'll blame Dateline for the error.
 
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:51:23 AM UTC-6 Adam Bowie wrote:
 
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:54AM -0800

Deadline. You know, Nikki's former website, now owned by Penske like every
other entertainment news site.
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:52AM -0800

Keke Palmer has become the third woman in Emmys history to win the award
for hosting a game show for her gig on the Jimmy Fallon-produced reboot of
"Password" on NBC, interestingly enough 48 years after the last time a host
of the franchise was nominated (that would be original host Allen Ludden,
who also won at the tail end of the show's ABC run)--the previous women
were Meredith Vieira in 2005 and 2009 for "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire"
(with five other nominations over the years) and Betty White in 1983 for
"Just Men!" (she was nominated the next year for this show but was beaten
by Bob Barker for "The Price is Right"):
 
https://deadline.com/2024/01/keke-palmer-emmys-game-show-host-1235698124/
 
Other women nominated over the years: Susan Stafford ("Wheel of Fortune"
with Chuck Woolery in 1978), Vicki Lawrence (the NBC daytime "Win, Lose or
Draw" in 1988 and 1989), Nancy Pimental ("Win Ben Stein's Money" with Stein
in 2002--she replaced Jimmy Kimmel), Carnie Wilson (Game Show Network's
"Newlywed Game" reboot in 2010), Brooke Burns (GSN's first U.S. version of
"The Chase" in 2016), Leah Remini (GSN's "People Puzzler" in 2022, which is
now in syndication) and this year, Mayim Bialik ("Jeopardy!" with Ken
Jennings--and considering recent events, there's probably relief they
didn't win--but "Jeopardy!" did win for best game show).
 
This is the first year the game show awards have been in the prime time
Emmys after years in the daytime Emmys--the Creative Arts awards will be
telecast in an edited form this Sunday night on FXX.
Mark Jeffries <spotl...@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:51AM -0600

I was out last night going to see Second City for the first time in years
(pretty good show), so I didn't watch or record the Globes. Would I assume
that they tried to lean heavily on the laugh track to try to cover up Koy's
lack of crowd response? It's no secret that the awards shows sweeten
heavily, since I've seen enough shots over the years of the audience not
applauding while we hear tumultuous applause on the soundtrack. It goes
back to when Bob Hope bombed one year at the Oscars. The next time he
hosted, Charley Douglass' Laff Box was in the sound truck. The exceptions
are when Johnny Carson or Dave say they don't want sweetening, which turned
out not to be a good thing for Dave at the Oscars, since we heard the crowd
genuinely not laughing at Dave and lots of laughter at the presenters'
written-by-Bruce-Vilanch quips.
 
Mark Jeffries
spotl...@gmail.com
 
 
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