Are Daytime Talk Shows Immune?

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PGage

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Oct 12, 2022, 1:02:37 PM10/12/22
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I don’t know or care anything about daytime broadcast television; I have been off work for 9 weeks and never once had a thought about tuning in to sample it*. But I am interested in the claim made by this article that daytime talk shows are still a going concern. 

When Trevor Noah announced he was leaving TDS it triggered a series of observations that late night TV talk shows were obsolete. Yet this article claims that the end of several daytime talk shows last season (including Ellen) is simply making room for three new shows this season.

1. Is she correct?
2. Why would the format be dead after 11:00 pm but vibrant after Noon?

*When not walking my Strike line or taking care of errands and projects, or reading, I have watched quite a bit of television in the daytime during the last two months+, all of it either old films or catching up on streaming series.

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Mark Jeffries

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Oct 12, 2022, 1:35:55 PM10/12/22
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Different audiences for different times--and you and I are not the target audiences for those shows.

Another main difference is that Colbert and Fallon don't do cooking and fashion segments (well, if Colbert does, it's either Martha Stewart or his friend Jose Andres), which to a certain extent are fixtures of most of the daytime shows (along with the more repugnant home shopping segments, and yes there are 800 numbers and website URLs on the lower thirds during those segments) and there aren't the "real people" segments that Kelly Clarkson does a lot of.

And that's what daytime does today--mostly talk and court shows with a few game shows and the remaining soaps.  No movies on the local stations or sitcom reruns, although in Chicago the technical replacement for "Ellen" is "Dateline" reruns.  That and expanded news.  If you want to watch old sitcoms, go to MeTV and the other classic TV subchannels or streaming.  And I think there is still force of habit, especially among the older audiences who were not happy to see "Days of Our Lives" go to Peacock a few weeks ago.  As for NETWORK daytime programming, the newest is the NBC News show that replaced "Days," followed by the midday extension of "GMA" on ABC and then "The Talk" on CBS (12 years ago).

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PGage

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Oct 12, 2022, 1:51:44 PM10/12/22
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I respect that lots of people like programming that I don’t (and Vice versa), but not why linear television seems more resistant to rampant decline in some day parts and not others. 

You seem to be suggesting that age is a factor; the older audiences who watch TV in the day are less likely to cut their cords and stream.  Guess that makes sense (and interacts with other factors like SES and education). That is also consistent with procedural drama being one of the species of cockroaches that seem to be surviving in Primetime, while the audiences for late night tend to be younger and better educated (and so more likely to bleed out to streaming et Al). Still, I wonder if we will soon see similar fragmentation and decline of the daytime TV audience as well. After all, most of the television I watch is actually streaming, but I watch it on my TV set, use the remote that controls my TV, and once it is set up need no more technical competence or imagination than needed to access broadcast television.



David Bruggeman

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Oct 12, 2022, 2:14:24 PM10/12/22
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I think over my lifetime daytime television has shifted a fair amount, whereas late night was typically a talk show and syndicated/rerun programming over the same period of time.  The changes there were in how many talk shows there were/are.

Both game shows and soap operas have shrank dramatically over the last quarter century, filled in by other kinds of programming.  Even daytime talk has changed, with other formats like the panel shows sharing timeslots with more traditional single-host centered shows.

I guess a distillation of my point is that daytime seems more resilient because there doesn't seem to be the resistance to other kinds of shows emerging as some kinds of shows decline.

David

Kevin M.

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Oct 12, 2022, 3:23:16 PM10/12/22
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Once we got to Richard Simmons DreamMaker, I basically gave up on daytime talk. 

In the age of streaming content, I fail to see the appeal of poorly produced, low quality content, not just for daytime or housewives but for any demographic at any time of day. I suppose if you just need background chatter while doing chores, the content is largely irrelevant, but my point is I’d rather have good, quality irrelevant compared to low-brow, pandering irrelevant. 

Teaching again, I’m constantly searching for engaging videos to accompany my lessons. History Channel, NatGeo, Discovery and Smithsonian ought to be reliable, but not only is much of their content poorly produced, but much of it is blatantly factually inaccurate. The biggest crime is in spite of the inaccuracies, it still isn’t entertaining on any level. And I can’t figure out who needs this garbage. 

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