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Bob Jersey

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Nov 6, 2019, 8:53:16 AM11/6/19
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With another "All In The Family" story, paired with one from "Good Times", Dec 18th.

Casting to be determined.


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Kevin M.

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Nov 6, 2019, 11:59:10 AM11/6/19
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Ted Danson = Archie
Jamie Lee Curtis = Edith
Jason Bateman = Meathead
Kaley Cuoco = Gloria

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Tom Wolper

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Nov 6, 2019, 5:00:05 PM11/6/19
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On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:59 AM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ted Danson = Archie
Jamie Lee Curtis = Edith
Jason Bateman = Meathead
Kaley Cuoco = Gloria

I guess this is what they're doing instead of live musicals as event programming. In general I liked the one they did previously. It was like taking a play and showing you a different cast. Trying too hard to mimic the original cast members was its weakest part.

I did not look up which episode and season they used for the first All In the Family. As I watched it, it got me thinking that the lines came from the writers with no concept of what the actors would do with them. Once they saw how the actors made some lines work better than others they would naturally write to the specific strengths of those actors. So if by this point the writers were writing specifically to Jean Stapleton, Carroll O'Connor, etc, that might mean that Marissa Tomei and Woody Harrelson (or Jamie Lee Curtis and Ted Danson) are forced into their line readings and mimicry is what is needed to make it work.

Diner

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Nov 6, 2019, 8:53:22 PM11/6/19
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A 50-year-old meathead?

Mike and Gloria should not be over 25. 27 tops. 
Cuoco is 33 - a step in the right direction after 39-year-old Ellie Kemper, who looked way too old to be Harrelson's daughter - but still too old.  


On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
Ted Danson = Archie
Jamie Lee Curtis = Edith
Jason Bateman = Meathead
Kaley Cuoco = Gloria
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:53 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
With another "All In The Family" story, paired with one from "Good Times", Dec 18th.

Casting to be determined.


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Kevin M.

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Nov 6, 2019, 10:11:10 PM11/6/19
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On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:53 PM Diner <bway...@gmail.com> wrote:
A 50-year-old meathead?

Mike and Gloria should not be over 25. 27 tops. 
Cuoco is 33 - a step in the right direction after 39-year-old Ellie Kemper, who looked way too old to be Harrelson's daughter - but still too old.  

Personally, I’d prefer the network rerun the original series, as I suspect it would mostly hold up and be frighteningly relevant, but they won’t out of fear the ratings for a 50-year-old show would be higher than anything currently produced and broadcast. 


On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
Ted Danson = Archie
Jamie Lee Curtis = Edith
Jason Bateman = Meathead
Kaley Cuoco = Gloria

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:53 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
With another "All In The Family" story, paired with one from "Good Times", Dec 18th.

Casting to be determined.


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Tom Wolper

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Nov 7, 2019, 6:55:04 PM11/7/19
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On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:11 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Personally, I’d prefer the network rerun the original series, as I suspect it would mostly hold up and be frighteningly relevant, but they won’t out of fear the ratings for a 50-year-old show would be higher than anything currently produced and broadcast.

The original wouldn't be relevant. Edith doesn't exist in today's world: a working class woman who didn't work outside the home because that was what was expected of her. Mike's liberalism doesn't have a place in today's political landscape. The biggest thing, though, is that Archie is never called to account for his bigotry. He's protected by his privilege. He might be called out for his language or behavior by the other characters but he doesn't suffer more than a rebuke.

The other thing about rerunning the original series is how it would look in HD. If the original was shot on film and the production company wanted to spend the money to make an HD print from the negative it might look okay. Otherwise it would be visually unappealing enough to keep anybody who wasn't watching for nostalgia's sake to avoid sitting through an episode.

Kevin M.

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Nov 7, 2019, 7:09:37 PM11/7/19
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 3:55 PM Tom Wolper <two...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:11 PM Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Personally, I’d prefer the network rerun the original series, as I suspect it would mostly hold up and be frighteningly relevant, but they won’t out of fear the ratings for a 50-year-old show would be higher than anything currently produced and broadcast.

The original wouldn't be relevant. Edith doesn't exist in today's world: a working class woman who didn't work outside the home because that was what was expected of her. Mike's liberalism doesn't have a place in today's political landscape. The biggest thing, though, is that Archie is never called to account for his bigotry. He's protected by his privilege. He might be called out for his language or behavior by the other characters but he doesn't suffer more than a rebuke.

Edith exists all over the country, and not just in the flyover states. A huge chunk of US women are stay at home moms. Mike’s liberalism is basically that of a Bernie Bro. 


The other thing about rerunning the original series is how it would look in HD. If the original was shot on film and the production company wanted to spend the money to make an HD print from the negative it might look okay. Otherwise it would be visually unappealing enough to keep anybody who wasn't watching for nostalgia's sake to avoid sitting through an episode.

Firmly disagree on the HD front. Lots of people watch TV on crappy TVs, and lots more don’t have their HD sets configured for optimal resolution. The human eye is only capable of processing so many frames per second. I’ve projected a standard definition copy of The Maltese Falcon on a giant screen in front of a group of the world’s harshest and most discerning critics (teenagers) and none of them took issue with the image quality. You put something of substance on the screen and people overlook all kinds of technical shortcomings. 


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PGage

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Nov 7, 2019, 11:20:59 PM11/7/19
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One of my daughters lived in Astoria for a year recently; not sure Archie would feel at home anymore 

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Kevin M.

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Nov 7, 2019, 11:29:00 PM11/7/19
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 8:20 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
One of my daughters lived in Astoria for a year recently; not sure Archie would feel at home anymore 

I grew up in Pomona. Not sure I’d feel at home there anymore either, but that’s neither here nor there 


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Dave Sikula

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Nov 8, 2019, 4:36:10 AM11/8/19
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I suffered through the first iteration of this and found it almost as painful as the originals. Lear's shows (like Sorkin's) love nothing more than preaching to the choir while thinking they're changing people's minds.

The problem with the rebooted AITF (beyond the badly dated script) was that the actors were poorly directed and no one could decide if they were playing the characters or the original actors. The Jeffersons fared a little better in that the actors were playing the script, but it just wasn't that good to begin with.

"You can't draw sweet water from a foul well."

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stannc

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Nov 8, 2019, 3:34:13 PM11/8/19
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It’s a shame though. I thought Marisa Tomei was a perfect Edith.

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Tom Wolper

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Nov 11, 2019, 4:25:54 PM11/11/19
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On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 4:36 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I suffered through the first iteration of this and found it almost as painful as the originals. Lear's shows (like Sorkin's) love nothing more than preaching to the choir while thinking they're changing people's minds.

Back when they were first run I loved All in the Family in its first few seasons. I couldn't stick with any other Lear shows after watching one or two episodes.
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