Tony Romo to be CBS sports analyst

[Steve Timko]

The good news is Phil Simms is gone.

http://amp.timeinc.net/si/nfl/2017/04/04/dallas-cowboys-tony-romo-retire

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[Tom Wolper]

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

The good news is Phil Simms is gone.

http://amp.timeinc.net/si/nfl/2017/04/04/dallas-cowboys-tony-romo-retire

The surprising thing to me is that CBS is starting Romo at the top. Instead of learning his craft for a season as part of a regional team he will immediately be in the spotlight doing national games. And in interviews he has not impressed me as being especially bright.

[Steve Timko]

In interviews he is adequate at best. CBS still has the AFC teams, right? Maybe CBS ratings are down and they are gambling. I don't know anyone other than Cowboys fans who like him.

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[Tom Wolper]

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

In interviews he is adequate at best. CBS still has the AFC teams, right? Maybe CBS ratings are down and they are gambling. I don't know anyone other than Cowboys fans who like him.

Any time you bring in someone new and inexperienced and move them ahead of experienced people there is a drop in morale. CBS already has 3 ex-QBs in the booth: Rich Gannon, Trent Green, and Steve Beuerlein. This isn't going to make them happy, especially if Romo stumbles early.

[Bob Jersey]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 4:02:45 PM UTC-4, Steve Timko wrote:

The good news is Phil Simms is gone.

Well, not gone gone... his agent told a NJ newspaper he's still under contract... NBC's Pro Football Talk (link)

B

[Bob Jersey]

He could just end up in the studio. The other week, Tony Gonzalez, the ex-Chief and Falcon, announced he was leaving "The NFL Today." (Philly dot com link)   B

[Tom Wolper]

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Bob Jersey <bobj...@ptd.net> wrote:

He could just end up in the studio. The other week, Tony Gonzalez, the ex-Chief and Falcon, announced he was leaving "The NFL Today." (Philly dot com link)

That's a big demotion for Simms. If he stays at CBS maybe he can do the Saturday afternoon SEC game.

[PGage]

I am going to disagree with that - I think Simms is one of the better analysts working NFL. Troy Aikman is now a lot better than he used to be, but it took three or four years for him to even get decent - and they started him in a 3 man booth as I recall with his former fullback. Room is likely to suck, at least for a while, and the drop-off from Simms will be substantial

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[Steve Timko]

I think you are basing your comments on Simms: technical skills, and that's likely accurate.

But Simms is still a goofball. Cindy Boren of the Washington Post elaborates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/03/30/tony-romo-must-retire-now-and-save-us-from-phil-simms/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.06b14d3f1fc8

Michael Irvin and Marshall Fault are not fans either.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/07/why-nfl-greats-were-mocking-weird-phil-simms/amp/

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[PGage]

I am not sure what you mean by technical skills in this context.  And I dont know what the internet means by calling him goofy. I dont agree with everything Simms says, but I find that he is more likely to say something that sounds like an actual opinion or observation, and not just mouth cliches. I actually liked him better in his earlier years when it seemed he did not get along with Nance.

[Tom Wolper]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not sure what you mean by technical skills in this context.  And I dont know what the internet means by calling him goofy. I dont agree with everything Simms says, but I find that he is more likely to say something that sounds like an actual opinion or observation, and not just mouth cliches. I actually liked him better in his earlier years when it seemed he did not get along with Nance.

Technical skills means doing good prep work during the week before the game. Early in the week you watch the last couple of games each team has played and note some tendencies which are developing - maybe the quarterback is developing confidence in a young tight end or the offense only runs rushing plays to the left because they are not working to the right. Then you get to the city where the game will be played on Friday or Saturday and meet with the coaches and you want to have good questions to ask based on what you have seen. If you are an ex-player you may have some other connections on one or both teams like a former college or pro teammate who is now a player or position coach on one of the teams. Then when it comes to game time you can recognize subtle things happening on the field and report them.

The problem with Simms is, I think, the same problem that came up with Tim McCarver and John Madden. They have done high profile games for so many years that viewers have heard all of their stories and kind of already know their insight without hearing what they have to say. The networks know that the announce teams are the face of the network and they want a sense of stability so they do not want to change announcers often. As a result some color analysts wear out their welcome.

[PGage]

Well, I know what I would mean by "technical skills" in a football analyst, I just didn't know what Steve meant by it. 

I think the three guys you list here (McCarver, Madden, Simms) are pretty different - Madden may have worn out his welcome with some (including me) after many decades, but even at the end I dont think he would have been replaced by an untested underperforming QB. McCarver was once an excellent MLB analyst; I dont think he wore out his welcome, I think he got objectively bad at his job. Simms is maybe the best example of having worn out his welcome - I think the best parallel for him is someone like  Jeff Van Gundy. I actually still like both of them, but the bloom is probably off both roses as their once fresh act has gotten a bit stale. But even so, I think each is better than most of their peers.

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[Tom Wolper]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I know what I would mean by "technical skills" in a football analyst, I just didn't know what Steve meant by it. 

I think the three guys you list here (McCarver, Madden, Simms) are pretty different - Madden may have worn out his welcome with some (including me) after many decades, but even at the end I dont think he would have been replaced by an untested underperforming QB. McCarver was once an excellent MLB analyst; I dont think he wore out his welcome, I think he got objectively bad at his job. Simms is maybe the best example of having worn out his welcome - I think the best parallel for him is someone like  Jeff Van Gundy. I actually still like both of them, but the bloom is probably off both roses as their once fresh act has gotten a bit stale. But even so, I think each is better than most of their peers.

I find a world where Solomon Wilcots has a job as a network booth analyst and Phil Simms does not befuddling. And replacing Simms with someone who has never been in a booth before even more befuddling. But here we are unless Fox or NFLN pick him up.

With booth announcers, and especially with the top teams, the networks need to have them serve as the face of the brand and also keep the broadcasts from becoming stale. So there might be merit in changing the analyst more frequently while it is understandable that the network will not do that.

The advantage of having an ex-player or coach as a booth analyst is that he has spent years immersed in the sport and can spot things that the viewer will not and be able to explain what is happening. Hines Ward has a dormant podcast and he said several times (in fact he repeated himself a lot and that may be why he has not put out a new one in months) that it is difficult for him to watch NFL games with non-players. He knows a lot just by seeing how the offense and defense line up and who goes in motion. But the game is going through constant evolution as offensive and defensive try to outgame each other and after 20 years a booth analyst might not instinctively see what a certain formation means. Bringing a more recent retired player/coach might lead to a better broadcast.

[Steve Timko]

Simms still has several years left on his CBS contract and could still end up in the booth.

I honestly don't know what makes Romo so appealing that CBS would put him in the No. 1 spot with no experience.

Maybe dating Jessica Simpson would make him more appealing with women. But didn't he criticize her weight? Maybe they feared Fox getting him and giving him the top analyst position was the only way they could land him.

Simms is almost a generation from his glory and he wasn't as big of A Star outside New York.

Maybe it is youth alone that prompted CBS to hire Romo.

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[PGage]

I really agree with your last point - though I think Simms was pretty good about not going on and on about how he would try to outsmart MIke Singletary or whatever. What would make sense is to do a 3-man booth for a year or two with Nance, Simms and Romeo, giving Romo experience and training and the veteran team some new insights. I don't hate Romo, and he has a nice smile that probably might attract some casual fans to the broadcast. I don't recall ever deciding which game to watch when there was a Sunday network choice to make based on the announcers, but I suppose more casual fans might. The truth is almost all of my Sunday morning/afternoon NFL viewing over the last few years has been Red Zone, so none of this matters that much to me personally.

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[Steve Timko]

Phil Simms' son thinks Jim Nantz threw Simms under the bus, then retracts his criticism.

http://nesn.com/2017/04/did-jim-nantz-have-role-in-phil-simms-cbs-demotion-simms-son-thinks-so/

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:36 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really agree with your last point - though I think Simms was pretty good about not going on and on about how he would try to outsmart MIke Singletary or whatever. What would make sense is to do a 3-man booth for a year or two with Nance, Simms and Romeo, giving Romo experience and training and the veteran team some new insights. I don't hate Romo, and he has a nice smile that probably might attract some casual fans to the broadcast. I don't recall ever deciding which game to watch when there was a Sunday network choice to make based on the announcers, but I suppose more casual fans might. The truth is almost all of my Sunday morning/afternoon NFL viewing over the last few years has been Red Zone, so none of this matters that much to me personally.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:03 AM Tom Wolper <two...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I know what I would mean by "technical skills" in a football analyst, I just didn't know what Steve meant by it. 

I think the three guys you list here (McCarver, Madden, Simms) are pretty different - Madden may have worn out his welcome with some (including me) after many decades, but even at the end I dont think he would have been replaced by an untested underperforming QB. McCarver was once an excellent MLB analyst; I dont think he wore out his welcome, I think he got objectively bad at his job. Simms is maybe the best example of having worn out his welcome - I think the best parallel for him is someone like  Jeff Van Gundy. I actually still like both of them, but the bloom is probably off both roses as their once fresh act has gotten a bit stale. But even so, I think each is better than most of their peers.

I find a world where Solomon Wilcots has a job as a network booth analyst and Phil Simms does not befuddling. And replacing Simms with someone who has never been in a booth before even more befuddling. But here we are unless Fox or NFLN pick him up.

With booth announcers, and especially with the top teams, the networks need to have them serve as the face of the brand and also keep the broadcasts from becoming stale. So there might be merit in changing the analyst more frequently while it is understandable that the network will not do that.

The advantage of having an ex-player or coach as a booth analyst is that he has spent years immersed in the sport and can spot things that the viewer will not and be able to explain what is happening. Hines Ward has a dormant podcast and he said several times (in fact he repeated himself a lot and that may be why he has not put out a new one in months) that it is difficult for him to watch NFL games with non-players. He knows a lot just by seeing how the offense and defense line up and who goes in motion. But the game is going through constant evolution as offensive and defensive try to outgame each other and after 20 years a booth analyst might not instinctively see what a certain formation means. Bringing a more recent retired player/coach might lead to a better broadcast.

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[Steve Timko]

Simms texts a writer and says he's not done. Some options listed for him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/5-potential-landing-spots-phil-simms-not-article-1.3029698

The link above is the only piece I've seen sympathetic to Simms. A piece on NBC Sports web site notes if CBS had this figured out they would have announced it when they announced Romo was joining CBS.

By the way, some other piece (I'm not sure if I put the link here) said Romo can still go back to football if someone wants him.

[daniel anderson]

They may put him with Eagle and Fouts. That might work, since Fouts is a pretty good analyst. Or FOX might get him.

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 4:02:45 PM UTC-4, Steve Timko wrote:

[Tom Wolper]

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

Simms texts a writer and says he's not done. Some options listed for him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/5-potential-landing-spots-phil-simms-not-article-1.3029698

The link above is the only piece I've seen sympathetic to Simms. A piece on NBC Sports web site notes if CBS had this figured out they would have announced it when they announced Romo was joining CBS.

By the way, some other piece (I'm not sure if I put the link here) said Romo can still go back to football if someone wants him.

I assume Simms's contract pays him more than a lower team's booth analyst or studio host. If CBS decides to go that way they have to know it will sow dissension among new colleagues, especially when it's time for them to negotiate new contracts. If he leaves CBS they can trigger a non-compete clause, but they might waive it in return for him agreeing to tear up the remaining two years.

As to Romo retiring, I remember Brett Favre coming on the Letterman Late Show after he announced his retirement. Dave asked him if retired from the NFL and he said yes, and then Dave asked him if he filed his papers. He laughed and didn't answer. Later he came back to play. I'm assuming the same for Romo - he hasn't filed his papers yet. But he would only come back as a starter (if he was willing to be a backup he could probably find a team now) and probably only for a contender. Those teams are in no hurry to sign him.

[Bob Jersey]

Moi, April 4th:

He could just end up in the studio. The other week, Tony Gonzalez, the ex-Chief and Falcon, announced he was leaving "The NFL Today." (Philly dot com link)   B

And today many outlets say he will, e.g. SI's Deitsch (link), who noted that Simms' son, Chris, now with Bleacher Report, broke the news to him before CBS Sports chief Sean McManus did...

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[Steve Timko]

Well, I had this pop up in my timeline last night. I honestly have not paid attention to the broadcasts, other than to see if they were protesting. I did not have the volume up for Thursday night's game. There were several people who agreed with my Facebook friend and none in dissent. What does the group think? Is Romo doing a good job?

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[Joe Hass]

Having gotten Romo twice in four days due to the Packers schedule, I would say this take is more due to the fact Romo sounds genuinely excited doing his analysis, which can be interpreted as a fresh voice if you're not used to it (or a desire to neuter the little mongrel if you're not as much of a fan).

[Jim Ellwanger]

I watched some of the Thursday night game on Amazon Prime with the "UK English" audio feed, which had soccer announcers Ross Dyer and Tommy Smyth on the call of the game. It had been advertised that it was specifically geared to international viewers who were not necessarily familiar with American football, although they really didn't do much explaining of the rules while I was watching (portions of the 1st and 2nd quarters). It was fun to hear some different voices and phrasings, but for next Thursday's game when "my" team is involved, I'll probably watch with the regular announcers.

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Joe Hass <hassg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Having gotten Romo twice in four days due to the Packers schedule, I would say this take is more due to the fact Romo sounds genuinely excited doing his analysis, which can be interpreted as a fresh voice if you're not used to it (or a desire to neuter the little mongrel if you're not as much of a fan).
>
> On Sep 29, 2017 17:22, "Steve Timko" <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I had this pop up in my timeline last night. I honestly have not paid attention to the broadcasts, other than to see if they were protesting. I did not have the volume up for Thursday night's game. There were several people who agreed with my Facebook friend and none in dissent. What does the group think? Is Romo doing a good job?
>

> <romo.jpg>

> ​
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Bob Jersey <bobj...@ptd.net> wrote:
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> Moi, April 4th:
>
> He could just end up in the studio. The other week, Tony Gonzalez, the ex-Chief and Falcon, announced he was leaving "The NFL Today." (Philly dot com link) B
>
> And today many outlets say he will, e.g. SI's Deitsch (link), who noted that Simms' son, Chris, now with Bleacher Report, broke the news to him before CBS Sports chief Sean McManus did...
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A friend who is more into sports than me shared this on the Book of Face

https://www.texasmonthly.com/article/let-us-now-praise-tony-romo-the-best-nfl-color-commentator/

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Jim Ellwanger <trai...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:

I watched some of the Thursday night game on Amazon Prime with the "UK English" audio feed, which had soccer announcers Ross Dyer and Tommy Smyth on the call of the game. It had been advertised that it was specifically geared to international viewers who were not necessarily familiar with American football, although they really didn't do much explaining of the rules while I was watching (portions of the 1st and 2nd quarters). It was fun to hear some different voices and phrasings, but for next Thursday's game when "my" team is involved, I'll probably watch with the regular announcers.


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Joe Hass <hassg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Having gotten Romo twice in four days due to the Packers schedule, I would say this take is more due to the fact Romo sounds genuinely excited doing his analysis, which can be interpreted as a fresh voice if you're not used to it (or a desire to neuter the little mongrel if you're not as much of a fan).
>
> On Sep 29, 2017 17:22, "Steve Timko" <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I had this pop up in my timeline last night. I honestly have not paid attention to the broadcasts, other than to see if they were protesting. I did not have the volume up for Thursday night's game. There were several people who agreed with my Facebook friend and none in dissent. What does the group think? Is Romo doing a good job?
>
> <romo.jpg>

> ​
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Bob Jersey <bobj...@ptd.net> wrote:
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> Moi, April 4th:
>
> He could just end up in the studio. The other week, Tony Gonzalez, the ex-Chief and Falcon, announced he was leaving "The NFL Today." (Philly dot com link)   B
>
> And today many outlets say he will, e.g. SI's Deitsch (link), who noted that Simms' son, Chris, now with Bleacher Report, broke the news to him before CBS Sports chief Sean McManus did...
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[Tom Wolper]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

A friend who is more into sports than me shared this on the Book of Face

https://www.texasmonthly.com/article/let-us-now-praise-tony-romo-the-best-nfl-color-commentator/

I haven't had a chance to watch a whole Nantz/Romo game but from what I have seen I like him. There are so many color analysts who spend so much time looking at their notes or something that they aren't paying attention to the game in front of them. Romo pays attention and can relay what he sees without jargon or cliches. I also read an article where Romo started training for the job as soon as he was signed and spent a lot of time with broadcasters learning what to do and what not to do and he also did practice games to prepare. So he is not so arrogant to think he knew everything going into the booth.

Former Steeler Hines Ward had a podcast last year. After his playing days he was with NBC for Sunday night games and then Notre Dame games. He said when watches pro football at home he knows a lot more than the average fan because he can read offensive and defensive formations and he has a good idea of what will happen in the play. Romo seems to have the same knowledge and he can smoothly share it.

[Steve Timko]

Speaking of sports announcers, this is making the rounds now. 

https://twitter.com/MadelynBurke/status/916768944668766211

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[Steve Timko]

This is an excellent feature in The New Yorker about Romo.

He is so good at predicting plays some call him Romostradamus.

LINK

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:55 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking of sports announcers, this is making the rounds now. 

https://twitter.com/MadelynBurke/status/916768944668766211

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Tom Wolper <two...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Kevin M. <drunkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

A friend who is more into sports than me shared this on the Book of Face

https://www.texasmonthly.com/article/let-us-now-praise-tony-romo-the-best-nfl-color-commentator/

I haven't had a chance to watch a whole Nantz/Romo game but from what I have seen I like him. There are so many color analysts who spend so much time looking at their notes or something that they aren't paying attention to the game in front of them. Romo pays attention and can relay what he sees without jargon or cliches. I also read an article where Romo started training for the job as soon as he was signed and spent a lot of time with broadcasters learning what to do and what not to do and he also did practice games to prepare. So he is not so arrogant to think he knew everything going into the booth.

Former Steeler Hines Ward had a podcast last year. After his playing days he was with NBC for Sunday night games and then Notre Dame games. He said when watches pro football at home he knows a lot more than the average fan because he can read offensive and defensive formations and he has a good idea of what will happen in the play. Romo seems to have the same knowledge and he can smoothly share it.

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[Doug Eastick]

thanks Bob.

I liked this line.... (image pasted)

[Steve Timko]

Bob?

[Bob Jersey]

Steve Timko, to Doug Eastick, today (2/1):

Bob?

 

Stumped the bleep out of me, too...

B

[Doug Eastick]

sorry Steve.   Thanks STEVE.

[Steve Timko]

I do and do and do for you kids and this is the thanks I get.

[Steve Timko]

Tony Romo signs an extension for $17 million a year.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2020/02/29/tony-romos-new-contract-with-cbs-makes-him-the-highest-paid-nfl-analyst-in-tv-history/

[Steve Timko]

CBS supposedly held an intervention with Tony Romo over his drop in performance.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/cbs-execs-tried-intervention-to-address-tony-romos-slippage-in-booth/

[Tom Wolper]

Given that it’s the Post and they’re prone to exaggeration, and Romo is a CBS employee who has a long off season and can be called in at any time to prepare for a new season, what counts as an intervention? And this supposed intervention took place in the last offseason. Did it change anything?

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[PGage]

“Intervention” is a loaded and distorted term, as the CBS folks note in the article. They met with him last offseason to go over some notes, and I suspect to try to keep his motivation up after he signed that huge long term contract. Also, there is a history of analysts have souring relationships with Jim Nantz, and it seems they were worried some of the early bloom was coming off the rose of that partnership. 

I thought Romo‘s broadcasting talent was exaggerated when he started, and now his decline is being exaggerated as well. When he first started he could rely on his knowledge of the league and players from when he was playing; now he needs to do more homework to stay on top of things, and that is not his jam. His Gee Whiz schtick was bound to wear thin. Still, I find he still dies about as good a job as any ex QB giving the viewer a sense of what the keys are, and which particular throws are most difficult. He’s not great, but I don’t think he sucks either.

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