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Bob Jersey

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Sep 16, 2023, 8:09:44 PM9/16/23
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...among other things, the fact that all the members of the "Masters," the rock legends list he interviewed in his years at Rolling Stone covered in a new memoir, are white men...
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Kevin M.

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Sep 16, 2023, 8:35:38 PM9/16/23
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After work on Friday, I was looking through the cutout bin of one of my local vinyl record shops and happened upon a compilation album from the late 1970s entitled “White Rock.” I did not buy that album. But four of the five albums I did buy yesterday featured white rockers. So make of that what you will. 

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PGage

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Sep 16, 2023, 9:30:03 PM9/16/23
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Wenner and RS have earned their high place in pop culture history. But, also he leans into and embodies almost every horrible stereotype of white male Boomers. I was born at the very tail end of that generation, and the idea that Mick Jagger is an articulate philosopher of what the generation was about, but Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Joni Mitchell and Janis Joplin “didn’t measure up to that same historical standard” is 100% horseshit.

I mean, dude literally says (when asked if his close friendship with Jagger biased his evaluation of his work)  “I confess: I probably went too far. So what? I’m entitled.”

What the actual fuck?  I Can forgive someone for not being able to control their own bias - that is human. I can not forgive someone who doesn’t even try, because, well, they can’t be bothered, and they fundamentally believe their biases are actually closer to the truth than anyone else’s.

He confesses to allowing interview subject to edit and revise his interviews prior to publication. He denies that his ass kissing led to any distortion or subversion of journalistic standards. 

My anger at this crap runs deep; in adolescence and young adulthood I thought Rolling Stone was the definitive, honest, real journalistic account of contemporary culture. It wasn’t until my late 20s early 30s that I began to question the honesty and integrity of those guys, and how they had led us astray. The bullshit culture continues after Wenner’s retirement reflected in weaknesses in some recent stories we have discussed.






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Bob Jersey

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Sep 17, 2023, 9:31:27 AM9/17/23
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The article in the Newhouse-owned Star-Ledger, who moved out of Newark years ago, is paywalled and can't be gifted like, say, the NYT, but a discussion of the book with Wenner at a church in Montclair, NJ (Colbert's hometown) scheduled for the 28th was cancelled, with ticketholders getting refunds... what's not blocked, is a V article where the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation has also sacked Wenner from its board (he is not on the separate museum's board)...
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/jann-wenner-removed-from-rock-hall-of-fame-comments-black-female-musicians-1235725503/ (link)
Hopefully this finally gets him out of the process of determining who gets inducted.
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Bob Jersey

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Sep 17, 2023, 9:40:47 AM9/17/23
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Jay Penske's company is puzzling... they own Variety and Hollywood Reporter, for which they only charge for "VIP" memberships and/or their print versions, and Deadline, at which I haven't found much of anything for a fee (also true of SheKnows, primarily aimed at young parents, but with lots of People-ish showbiz content), yet they also own RS and Billboard, who are a lot more strict with the $ub$criptions...
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PGage

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Sep 17, 2023, 12:41:28 PM9/17/23
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Yikes! Apologies for the non standard font. I typed that in my notepad and copied and pasted. Have done that before without this overpowering font issue.

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Mark Jeffries

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Sep 17, 2023, 12:47:46 PM9/17/23
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It should be pointed out that most of the criticism about Hall inductions in recent years have been over the Hall not inducting heavy metal bands, which does fit with Yawn's tastes, considering that RS and the rock elte considered metal beneath them (as did the "free form" DJs, who would've rather played folk singers or jazz cats than metalers, which is why low-rated free form got replaced by AOR, which played what the teen-and-twentysomething male audience considered "rock"). The metalheads would also complain if the hall was considering rappers, Dolly Parton, ABBA or Whitney Houston, more or less saying that they should be in a popular music hall of fame, not a RAWK Hall of Fame.

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Bob Jersey

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Sep 17, 2023, 2:15:27 PM9/17/23
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In Windows and similar OSes, the context-menu options (right-click menu) for GG web, and I'm guessing Gmail too, include "Paste as plain text" (keyboard shortcut ctrl-shift-V). IDK how that would work on a phone.
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