MNF question

[daniel anderson]

In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened since then?

[Pete Ahles]

On October 27, 1997, the Dolphins had to move their Sunday game to Monday night because of Game 7 of the World Series in which the Marlins defeated the Indians in extra innings.

I went to both games. I got to see the best baseball game ever followed by the worst football game ever.

You could look through these lists to see if there's others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monday_Night_Football_results_(1970%E2%80%9389)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monday_Night_Football_results_(1990%E2%80%932009)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monday_Night_Football_results_(2010%E2%80%93present)

Pete

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:05 AM, daniel anderson <danieland...@gmail.com> wrote:

In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened since then?

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[daniel anderson]

Outside of that, has a game ever been moved? 9/11 would be one example, and there was a Chargers/Raiders game moved to late Sunday Night a few years ago too. and the Jets/Bills game because of snow.

[Pete Ahles]

From those Wikipedia links:

An impromptu doubleheader was scheduled on September 19 [2005] when the New Orleans Saints scheduled Sunday home opener with the New York Giants was rescheduled due to Hurricane Katrina's extensive damage to the Louisiana Superdome. The game was moved to the Giants' home field at Giants Stadium for Monday night with a special start time of 7:30 PM EDT, though the Giants were still the road team.

Due to a winter storm in Buffalo that blocked access to Ralph Wilson Stadium, a game between the New York Jets and the Buffalo Bills that was originally scheduled for November 23 [2014] was postponed to Monday night and was moved to Ford Field in Detroit. That game was broadcast locally on CBS affiliates in the New York City and Buffalo television markets. ESPN aired the regularly-scheduled game between the Baltimore Ravens and the New Orleans Saints.

[daniel anderson]

The Bears/Dolphins game was the last NFL game i saw on C-band satellite- that was the era when the NFL had just started Sunday Ticket- but since ABC didn't have time to encrypt because of the World Series, the game was in the clear on satellite.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:

[daniel anderson]

Re; 9/11 The NFL was hoping to do the Jets/Raiders game that week on Monday Night, on ESPN while ABC carried the regularly-scheduled game between the Baltimore Ravens and the Mennisota Vikings, but they chnaged that because the airlines were still closed.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:

[Joe Ryan]

It seems to me your question is what happens if the NFL has to reschedule a game for some reason.
If a game needs to be rescheduled to another day, it will be broadcast in the local markets only. The NFL Network may pick the game up for national broadcast but Fox/CBS/ESPN won't. NBC did televise a 2010 game between Minnesota and Philadelphia the was rescheduled to a Tuesday due to a blizzard but that's the exception not the rule.

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[do...@flids.net]

???  That's not true at all.  In the aftermath of 9/11, the NFL cancelled *all* of the Week 2 (Sept 16th) games, including the Monday night Baltimore at Minnesota game, and rescheduled them at the end of the season, in the week of January 6, 2002, pushing all post-season games back one week to accommodate the extra week.

The nationwide grounding of all planes only lasted for two days, and all flights were running by the time the Baltimore-Minnesota game would originally have been played on Sept 17th.

Doug Fields

Tampa, FL

[daniel anderson]

There was talk about having the Sunday games later in the day- but the league made the right decision.
However, ABC was planning to air the Washington at Miami CFB game- as late as Thursday, before Miami canceled that game. and CBS was planning to air the Tennessee at Florida game too, before that game too was canceled. The NASCAR Winston Cup New Hampshire 300 on NBC also was postponed.
If they had played, how would have the networks handled it(assuming that weren't in wall to wall mode at that point) Maybe TNT would have aired the NASCAR race, while ESPN would have picked up the CFB games.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:

[Bob Jersey]

daniel anderson, in part:

There was talk about having the Sunday games later in the day- but the league made the right decision.
However, ABC was planning to air the Washington at Miami CFB game- as late as Thursday, before Miami canceled that game. and CBS was planning to air the Tennessee at Florida game too, before that game too was canceled. The NASCAR Winston Cup New Hampshire 300 on NBC also was postponed.
If they had played, how would have the networks handled it(assuming that weren't in wall to wall mode at that point) Maybe TNT would have aired the NASCAR race, while ESPN would have picked up the CFB games.

ESPN couldn't have had room, unless other games had been sacked, and by that point it would just have been silly.

Outside chance the Cup race would have went, and yes, TNT would have been left with it.

B

[PGage]

Like Doug, Daniel's statement that the NFL was hoping to hold and broadcast games the Monday after 9/11 caught my eye. Daniel has now softened that to "there was talk" of holding games that weekend, which of course is true in the most trivial of senses. But my understanding is that a clear decision was made and announced no later than Friday that all games that weekend had been cancelled, and I was not aware of any substantive plans to televise games that Monday.

There is this interview with Paul Tagliabue (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Former-NFL-commissioner-Paul-Tagliabue-recalls-decision-to-cancel-games-after-9-11-090911) on the 10th anniversary, in which he says that there were those in the NFL offices who argued strongly that canceling games would mean letting "the terrorists win" (I remember that argument clearly) - but the piece also has this:

"From the beginning, Tagliabue said, he and NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw saw eye-to-eye on the matter. But others still pushed back, so much so that Tagliabue said he finally settled it this way: I’m doing it. And that’s that.
“I said, ‘I don’t have to take a vote of the owners. I have the authority in extraordinary circumstances to make this decision and I’m going to do it.’” Almost exactly 48 hours after the North Tower collapsed, it was official. There would be no NFL games that week.

Fox Sports was doing a lot of ass-kissing with Tagliabue in those days, so this could be a convenient re-shaping of history, though as I say it is consistent with my memory of that week as well. Not to mention, it is hard to imagine that security concerns would have even allowed them to play a game that soon. I was on the Board of my kid's school at the time, and we had an emergency meeting to see if we would allow a scheduled field trip to San Francisco (including a walk over the Golden Gate bridge, which had been mentioned as a likely terrorist target) to take place (we did, but only after consulting with local police authorities, and with a lot of parental anxiety, including my own).

If you have a source suggesting that there was serious discussion of holding and broadcasting NFL games that weekend I would be very interested in seeing it, as it relates to an interest I have in how big time sports interacts with major societal events. 

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[Tom Wolper]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:01 PM, PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Like Doug, Daniel's statement that the NFL was hoping to hold and broadcast games the Monday after 9/11 caught my eye. Daniel has now softened that to "there was talk" of holding games that weekend, which of course is true in the most trivial of senses. But my understanding is that a clear decision was made and announced no later than Friday that all games that weekend had been cancelled, and I was not aware of any substantive plans to televise games that Monday.

There is this interview with Paul Tagliabue (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Former-NFL-commissioner-Paul-Tagliabue-recalls-decision-to-cancel-games-after-9-11-090911) on the 10th anniversary, in which he says that there were those in the NFL offices who argued strongly that canceling games would mean letting "the terrorists win" (I remember that argument clearly) - but the piece also has this:

"From the beginning, Tagliabue said, he and NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw saw eye-to-eye on the matter. But others still pushed back, so much so that Tagliabue said he finally settled it this way: I’m doing it. And that’s that.
“I said, ‘I don’t have to take a vote of the owners. I have the authority in extraordinary circumstances to make this decision and I’m going to do it.’” Almost exactly 48 hours after the North Tower collapsed, it was official. There would be no NFL games that week.

Fox Sports was doing a lot of ass-kissing with Tagliabue in those days, so this could be a convenient re-shaping of history, though as I say it is consistent with my memory of that week as well. Not to mention, it is hard to imagine that security concerns would have even allowed them to play a game that soon. I was on the Board of my kid's school at the time, and we had an emergency meeting to see if we would allow a scheduled field trip to San Francisco (including a walk over the Golden Gate bridge, which had been mentioned as a likely terrorist target) to take place (we did, but only after consulting with local police authorities, and with a lot of parental anxiety, including my own).

If you have a source suggesting that there was serious discussion of holding and broadcasting NFL games that weekend I would be very interested in seeing it, as it relates to an interest I have in how big time sports interacts with major societal events.

When the topic of NFL games came up in the media, and I don't remember if this was national or limited to Pittsburgh, it was repeatedly mentioned that the NFL had to decide what to do about the weekend's scheduled games when Kennedy was assassinated. They decided to keep to the schedule and play the games in order to take peoples' minds off the news and everybody involved at the time who is still with the NFL or the networks said emphatically that it was a mistake.

[PGage]

And, as Tagliabue pointed out repeatedly during that period, Rozelle himself always cited the decision to play that weekend as his biggest mistake

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[daniel anderson]

Personally, i thought the NFL made the right decision as well as NASCAR. Also, weren't the networks still in wall to wall 9/11 mode? Even if NASCAR had raced that Sunday on TNT, it wouldn't have been a good idea, since the ratings would have not been that great. Remember, there were still several college games that were to be played after the NFL bailed, but when the NFL canceled, they did too. MLB bailed too pretty early in the process too.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:

[JW]

From the 9/14/01 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

NFL postpones weekend's games:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=f3ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=5176%2C1292307

jump: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=f3ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6619%2C1302734

Also on both pages: Pirate bus, which was headed for Chicago, turns around in Ohio when baseball cancels weekend's games, and a column on 1963. The jump page also has an article about the Penguins cancelling exhibition games and a piece on the particular effects of the cancellations on a couple of Pirate-Met series.

Omnibus of sports cancellations:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=f3ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6683%2C1298991

[daniel anderson]

Sports isn't the only thing that is affected by world events.
The 1986 Country Music Awards were delayed for a speech by Reagan on Lybia? I remember that the show was delayed a long time, and the late news didn't get going till 11:53 P.M.
The Emmys were affected by 9/11 in fact twice!
I've always wondered how would they handle such a event these days, if for example there was a attack before the Super Bowl or the Oscars. Almost surely they would cancel?

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote: