Inside Jeopardy podcast

[Tom Wolper]

The first episode of the Inside Jeopardy podcast dropped on Monday. It had the insecure vibe most first episodes do so it’s hard to say if the podcast will be worth listening to. The podcast seems geared for people who follow Jeopardy on social media more than those who just like to watch the show. They’re also building up the Jeopardy YouTube channel, this week starting to add a <2 minute highlights video for the previous night’s show.

Announcements: the Tournament of Champions will have a new format though they gave no details as to what it will be. There will be a Second Chance Tournament where 18 players who lost but who had good advance stats will compete for 2 ToC slots. Each week will start with 9 players and end with one.

Last season Mayim was introduced as the host of Jeopardy and Ken was introduced as hosting Jeopardy. That was a result of the way the contracts were done. In the upcoming season both will be introduced as the host of Jeopardy.

[Kevin M.]

I believe they used to say “Here’s your host… Alex Trebek!” 

I believe they should change it to “Here’s a host…” and not name a name… the host du jour can just walk out and the gameplay can begin. 

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Kevin M. (RPCV)

[Diner]

No, it was "And now, here is the host of Jeopardy, Alex Trebek!"

Same intro Johnny is doing now for Mayim, just a different name.

[Tom Wolper]

A lot of this podcast is filler but I have an opportunity to listen so I figured I could just use this thread to post announcements for people who are interested and who don’t want to put the time in to listen to whole episodes.

This week had the Tournament of Champions announcement. Since there was no tournament last season this one will cover the last two seasons. There will be 21 contestants, 17 from the show, 2 from the Second Chance Tournament, the winner of the college tournament, and the winner of the professor’s tournament. Amy Schneider, Matt Amodio, and Mattea Roach get byes into the semifinal. The other 18 play a quarterfinal to determine 6 semifinalists. When the 3 finalists are determined they will play a GOAT tournament style final: the first to win 3 games wins the tournament.

What they are trying to eliminate is players playing it safe in Final Jeopardy. So there will be no wild card semifinalists and no two game cumulative score. They had to do the byes because the alternative is starting the tournament with 27 players and they’d be picking 1 and 2 game winners to fill the slots.

Davies says this format is experimental and they won’t hesitate to change it in the future if it doesn’t work out.

[PGage]

I Support the byes even without any other structural reasons. Anyone can have a bad day, but it would not serve the interests of identifying the best player for one of those top three to not make the semi-finals. If there wasn’t some valid concern that long layoffs hurt performance in sports I would favor more liberal use of byes in professional playoff systems as well.

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[Tom Wolper]

They did talk about those two points: one factor in the decision to award Amy, Matt, and Mattea byes is they all went on historic runs. In a normal season the top players might have gone on a 10 game run and it might seem less fair to give them a bye over a 9 game winner.

For the concerns about a losing buzzer agility without practice, Davies mentioned the possibility of the three of them playing a practice game which they could stream or find some other way to distribute. Buzzy Cohen was a guest and he said Ken Jennings never played in a ToC (and the two did some good natured trash talking about it on Twitter). Jennings played in the Ultimate Tournament and got a bye into the final. Davies said he asked Ken if he thought the bye would be a disadvantage and Ken said he saw both sides of the situation.

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[JW]

> What they are trying to eliminate is players playing

> it safe in Final Jeopardy.

Does anybody watch the Tournament of Champions to see how much players are going to bet in Final Jeopardy? (As I think of it, the wagers in the first game of a two-game final are the ones that I'm least likely to figure out in advance, so that's arguably more entertaining.)

> I Support the byes even without any other structural

> reasons. Anyone can have a bad day, but it would

> not serve the interests of identifying the best player

> for one of those top three to not make the semi-finals.

I understand that there are extenuating circumstances in trying to put together this particular tournament. But, generally speaking, if you have three players who you consider the class of the field, that's the convenient number to put into a tournament (of whatever format) without a lot of unnecessary preliminaries.

[Tom Wolper]

From this week’s episode:

They announced last week that the Tournament of Champions will start on October 31. They got feedback from concerned viewers that the November 8 episode will be pre-empted for election coverage. The producers decided to air a special episode on that day instead. There was an issue with the last tournament with the first to win three games format. TV listings and DVRs gave away the actual number of games played in advance. This happened during the prime time GOAT Tournament. They said for this ToC the listings will read “Game 4 (if necessary), etc. And since the tournament will air in Jeopardy’s usual time slot DVRs are going to record it anyway.

Most of the episode was an interview with the co-head writers. The interesting things I got out of that were in the old days when the board was made up of placards, they kept category names simple so they could reuse the placards. That’s why potent potables would come up so often. When they switched to video screens they could be much more flexible with category names.

The other thing was that Alex came up with a way to keep track of what was going on in the game. If you recall watching him, he would make a check mark on something on his lectern after each response. The producers had already been working with a vendor for a new system and when one of the guest hosts proved simply unable to use Alex’s system they stopped tape, put in the new system, and started tape again. They never went back to the old system.

[Jim Ellwanger]

Alex's system was that he had, basically, a printout of all the clues on the board on one large sheet of paper, and he would use a marker or grease pencil to cross out each clue after it was used. (If I recall correctly, if you go to a taping, you can see one of these used sheets on display in the studio lobby.)  I'd obviously be interested to know which guest host couldn't handle that.

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[Diner]

I do recall that when Katie Couric was hosting she did not seem to be writing anything down, and I wondered how she was able to keep track of what was going on.

[Tom Wolper]

It was a crayon. Sarah Foss said it was the only thing he could use whose sound wouldn’t be picked up by his mic.

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[Tom Wolper]

This week’s episode didn’t have anything special to announce. Prime Time Celebrity Jeopardy will start September 25 and Mayim will be the host. Michael Davies talked about how different the celebrity version is because they don’t have auditions to look at to get a sense of who will do well.

The main part of the episode is a video interview with Mayim and Ken which they posted to their YouTube page:

https://youtu.be/Bk8xzJqyf2c

[Tom Wolper]

This week’s episode featured a long interview with Johnny Gilbert. I wasn’t engrossed by it but he did talk a lot about the game show business before he started Jeopardy and there are people here who could be into that deep a dive.

In the Q&A part, one person asked if Daily Double clues are specially written or if they are regular clues. They are specially written to get a contestant to think a little more deeply rather than a regular clue which encourages a quick response.

Another question was about tiebreakers. The way they work is if the first response is incorrect the second contestant can ring in. If they don’t or they also get it wrong then there will be a second tiebreaker and they can keep going until someone rings in with a correct response. It’s in the rule book that the producers can edit out of the broadcast any rounds that don’t produce a winner. So if a tiebreaker were to go several rounds the producers wouldn’t have to find a way to compress the show elsewhere, they can just show the deciding round.

[PGage]

I appreciate you listening to this so we don’t have to, as I like hearing the highlights without plowing through it.

Would they let us know if they were on round 2 or more of a tie breaker, or would they set up each tie breaker as if it were the first one?

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[Tom Wolper]

They wouldn’t mention it going past one round. They’d announce a tie score, show a tiebreaker clue with a correct response, and congratulate the winner. If they wanted to show more, they would have to cut the show somewhere else.

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[Jim Ellwanger]

In theory, they could post the earlier tiebreaker rounds on YouTube and/or other social media... but I suspect they won't do that, for reasons of not wanting to embarrass the contestants.

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[Tom Wolper]

I could see that as something Michael Davies would do. When he’s on the podcast he’s constantly brainstorming about new things to do for the show. I don’t report on his ideas here because most won’t go anywhere. He’s really into advanced stats and went deep into them when they talked about who would qualify for the second chance tournament. Extra rounds of a tiebreaker would add to those stats.

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[Tom Wolper]

From this week’s episode:

They talked about last night’s season opener (I won’t post spoilers). When Sarah mentioned the Cobra Kai category and Ralph Macchio coming to the studio to record his clues, Michael said he wants to increase the video categories, whether it’s star visits, going to locations to record clues, or recording clues on the sets of TV series.

They talked about the celebrity tournament but couldn’t give details because ABC has an embargo until Thursday. They recruited 9 celebrities. The 3 winners go on to play a final round. This might not be the final format - I found the conversation somewhat confusing.

[Kevin M.]

I hope Turd Ferguson is playing this season. 

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[Brad Beam]

New format for the fabulous, 60-minute Celebrity Jeopardy!: a Triple J! round, complete with an additional Daily Double.

Dollar values in the rounds will be as follows:

single 100-500

Double 200-1,000

Triple 300-1,500

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[Tom Wolper]

https://youtu.be/7eKHmPP9i9Y

Michael Davies and Sarah Foss discuss the changes for Celebrity Jeopardy and the reasoning behind them.

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[Tom Wolper]

Now that the season has started the episodes are shorter and are based around recaps of the previous week’s shows. It looks like the long form interviews were for the summer rerun weeks.

Michael brings up brainstorming ideas which might or might not go anywhere. One is some kind of bonus for running a category. He brought the idea up again, this time with Buzzy. Buzzy asked if the bonus money would be part of the score amount and Michael said it wouldn’t. Michael said it might be a prize and not money. Sarah said she looked in the records and there was a time Jeopardy gave out sponsor prizes but they were all pretty tacky.

Reading from a viewer’s comment, Michael suggested only giving the bonus if a contestant started from the top of the category and worked their way down. Buzzy said it would impact game play a lot as it disincentivizes jumping around the board which a lot of top players like to do.

[Jim Ellwanger]

In the latter days of the original run of "Jeopardy!", there was a bonus for running a category, starting at $500 and increasing by another $500 each day until a contestant does it. It's added to the contestant's winnings at the end of the show.

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[Tom Wolper]

In this week’s episode Buzzy was there instead of Michael and in a discussion of Celebrity Jeopardy Sarah mentioned his appearance doing the mens fashion category. She said more Jeopardy stars from the past will have categories during the tournament.

They held a Jeopardy honors ceremony and recorded it. It should be on the Jeopardy YouTube channel later this week. They also inducted the first five members of the Hall of Fame: Merv and Julann Griffin, Alex Trebek, Harry Friedman, and Johnny Gilbert. They also gave out awards for ESPY-like categories like best dressed contestant.

[Mark Jeffries]

And there are a lot of pissed people on Twitter over Art Fleming not being in the initial Hall of Fame.

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In this week’s episode Buzzy was there instead of Michael and in a discussion of Celebrity Jeopardy Sarah mentioned his appearance doing the mens fashion category. She said more Jeopardy stars from the past will have categories during the tournament.

They held a Jeopardy honors ceremony and recorded it. It should be on the Jeopardy YouTube channel later this week. They also inducted the first five members of the Hall of Fame: Merv and Julann Griffin, Alex Trebek, Harry Friedman, and Johnny Gilbert. They also gave out awards for ESPY-like categories like best dressed contestant.

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[Tom Wolper]

“There are a lot of pissed off people on Twitter” is the defining sentence of our age.

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[Jim Ellwanger]

I see exactly two tweets, neither of which seem particularly pissed -- one asks, "Where's Art Fleming?" and the other says, "I assume that Art Fleming and Don Pardo are already in." Those two tweets have a total of three likes between them.

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[Mark Jeffries]

I guess I overstated.

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[Jim Ellwanger]

All the pissed commenters could be on TikTok, and we olds would never know.

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[PGage]

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[Tom Wolper]

In sports it drives me nuts when people differentiate first ballot hall of famers as if they are somehow better than hall of famers who get in afterwards. If it takes a year or two to recognize Fleming, what’s lost?

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[Tom Wolper]

I hit the wall with the Inside Jeopardy podcast and behind-the-scenes content. Michael Davies has been a producer for sports as well as game shows and he’s made the decision to treat Jeopardy as a sport. We saw that coming last year when they introduced advanced stats and posted new ones after each show. It doesn’t draw me in but I don’t care as long as the syndicated show stays the same.

Even though I’m a fan of an NFL team and I have had a season ticket for over two decades, you can’t make me watch a network pregame show. And the Jeopardy podcast has turned into the equivalent of a network pregame show. There were recaps of last week’s shows, a discussion of what contestants were wearing, and interviews with one champion, David the priest, and four upcoming contenders in the tournament of champions. TMI for me. I get it that the staff is interacting with super fans on Reddit and social media and they find these fans have a deep connection to the show and everything about it but I don’t. All I want to do is watch the show on TV every weeknight.

During the summer reruns the podcast had some interesting interviews with the writers, hosts, and Johnny Gilbert. There were announcements about the upcoming season. Now the podcast has become something else. I will continue to listen for another week or two to see if anything changes. After all it’s still a new podcast and they might be finding their way.

[Dave Sikula]

Not to talk this too far off track, but am I the only one who's finding the current season of Celebrity Jeopardy an irredeemable train wreck?

I mean, I'm expecting the questions to be dumbed down ("This striped animal's name starts with a Z and ends with an A"), but even as moronic as the questions are, the "celebrities" are still whiffing on them. Constance Wu in particular might as well have been on SNL. Bialik has been helpless so far in trying to keep things under control, but I don't think even Trebek would be able to do anything this time around.

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[Brad Beam]

From: 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com]

>Not to talk this too far off track, but am I the only one who's finding the current season of Celebrity Jeopardy an irredeemable train wreck?

> 

>I mean, I'm expecting the questions to be dumbed down ("This striped animal's name starts with a Z and ends with an A"), but even as moronic as the questions are, the "celebrities" are still whiffing on them. Constance Wu in particular might as well have been on SNL. Bialik has been helpless so far in trying to keep things under control, but I don't think even Trebek would be able to do anything this time around.

 

Kommissar Davies would remind everyone that "Celebrity Jeopardy!" is merely a light-hearted exhibition meant to evoke the freewheeling, late-in-the-week episodes of "Match Game 7X." (At least Regis the attention magnet isn't available for this year's roster.)

 

Sarcasm aside, Constance did roar back in 3J! to make it an exciting match, regardless of the degree of difficulty.

 

But no doubt the folks in the PR department at Trebek Studios are breathing a sigh of relief that they don't have to manage the publicity of a Liu/Wu meet-up in the semifinal.

https://www.eonline.com/news/1349350/constance-wu-calls-simu-lius-joke-about-her-2019-tweets-a-betrayal

[Tom Wolper]

I have 3 theories:

1. Unlike contestants for the syndicated show who go through a testing and audition process, celebrity contestants have no familiarity with the game, its conventions, and its rhythms, and they don’t get adequate practice time. The thing I saw from last week was Iliza Schlesinger was playing a reasonably good game but completely fell apart when she was asked to make a Daily Double wager.

2. ABC wants the show as part of their legacy game show reboots. The attitude on those shows is more open, like playing in a living room rather than an arena. The producers are telling Mayim and the contestants to keep it breezy, make side comments, and clown it up some.

3. Those of us who watch Jeopardy regularly have the format of two rounds and final hard wired in our brains and that probably goes for the contestants as well. The third round is causing mental fatigue and making the contestants a bit loopy.

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[JW]

> I mean, I'm expecting the questions to be dumbed down ("This striped

> animal's name starts with a Z and ends with an A"), but even as moronic as

> the questions are, the "celebrities" are still whiffing on them. Constance Wu in

> particular might as well have been on SNL. Bialik has been helpless so far in

> trying to keep things under control, but I don't think even Trebek would be able

> to do anything this time around.

Yeah, the questions are dumbed down, but I haven't had the impression that any of the celebrity contestants we've seen so far couldn't handle them.

I'll leave it to those of you who've been there to tell me how much producers discourage regular contestants from making comments, but the show seems fine with celebrities doing so. Maybe they're pandering to Constance Wu fans rather than Jeopardy! fans.

And, of course, past celebrity games have been one-and-done affairs. The tournament format probably puts additional pressure on the participants.

[Brad Beam]

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>I'll leave it to those of you who've been there to tell me how much producers discourage regular contestants from making comments, but the show seems fine with celebrities doing so. Maybe they're pandering to Constance Wu fans rather than Jeopardy! fans.

 

The producers are also stretching three rounds of gameplay over what would traditionally be four. They’ve added a second interview session and related wraparound clues. If Ike Barinholtz wants to digress over whether Mommy or Daddy is his favorite host, I’m sure der Kommissar won’t mind.

[Ben Scripps]

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> I'll leave it to those of you who've been there to tell me how much producers discourage regular contestants from making comments

As I recall, they didn't really say anything either way about it. Looking back at my notes, the only real guidance they gave us in my taping session in terms of responses (aside from the technicalities like dropping definite articles) was to be economical with words; don't say "Alex, I'd like to take 'Academy Award Winning Actresses of the 1980s' for two thousand, please" when "Actresses for two" works just as well but saves time. And saved time means more game play.

The producers may or may not like it, but based on the generic promo they put out for my week of shows, their editors sure do; I think every goofy little thing I did made it into that :30 promo.

[Tom Wolper]

I haven’t given up on the podcast just yet. I plan to listen through the tournament of champions and then decide.

Two things from this week’s episode: when a contestant runs a category it will only get recognized if the clues are responded to in sequence, in any order. Last week Chris was bouncing around the board and managed to get correct responses to all of the clues in a category in a fragmented way. The producers decided that would no longer be recognized as a run.

In the Q&A someone asked about the minute warning. The producers are trying to be as flexible as possible with the time for each board and gain nothing by leaving clues unchosen. They can edit down the interviews for time but they have a time limit to finish a round. The one minute warning is a producer’s call and not set to a specific time.

[PGage]

I was wondering about just this issue when watching Chris on that category. Ken did give him the “You ran that category” acknowledgement,  and aside from anything else it seemed like eventually it would be a hell of a lot of work for somebody to keep track throughout an entire board to see if one player happened to get all the clues right when wildly out of order.

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[David Lynch]

I don’t know if it would be that much work to track in real time who gets what clue. You’d just need a paper copy of the printed grid to write down who answered what clue correctly, and I kind of assume they already have someone taking detailed notes about what clues have been played and who got them right/wrong in case there’s a technical glitch or a discrepancy in the scoring.

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[Tom Wolper]

It wouldn’t even need to be a paper copy. Have a tablet with the grid on its screen, give each player a color, then touch the color and grid square each time a correct response is given. If you look at the advanced stats on the website you can see how much data they are collecting each game. It’s not that much of an effort to have a live picture of who answered which clues on the board.

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[Tom Wolper]

A note from this week’s episode: Celebrity Jeopardy is going on hiatus. New episodes will be coming in January. It’s moving to Thursday at 8 and will be followed by The Chase. I checked my TV listings app for the next two Sundays and there’s a music awards show tomorrow and a holiday special next Sunday. Sarah said they’ll have reruns until the new shows air.

One interesting thing from the Q&A portion. The question was asked about how long they waited when nobody rang in before the short buzz. When Alex hosted he had a button on his lectern and he would judge that nobody was going to ring in. When they went to guest hosts they gave the responsibility to an associate director.