Foreign Correspondent: British TV News Covers US Election Violence

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PGage

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Jan 6, 2021, 10:08:30 PM1/6/21
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Remember the day Dr. King was murdered. I remember the day they killed Bobby. I remember the day the planes flew into the Twin Towers. Today was another of those days, and in some ways, the worst.

Watching this report by ITV really puts it into perspective. We are a teetering democracy, at risk from an irrational strong man.

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Adam Bowie

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Jan 7, 2021, 5:29:15 AM1/7/21
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That particular report has been praised by many rivals on Twitter - Robert Moore is a long serving correspondent. His camerman, Mark Davey, is from Belfast where he has covered riots previously. 

Even though I spent upwards of six hours watching coverage on CNN and the BBC last night, with the anarchic behaviour nicely timed for European primetime, this was the most visceral thing I saw. 

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Brad Beam

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Jan 7, 2021, 8:04:41 PM1/7/21
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From: tvor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Bowie

>That particular report has been praised by many rivals on Twitter - Robert Moore is a long serving correspondent. His camerman, Mark Davey, is from Belfast where he has covered riots previously. 

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>Even though I spent upwards of six hours watching coverage on CNN and the BBC last night, with the anarchic behaviour nicely timed for European primetime, this was the most visceral thing I saw. 

 

Elsewhere in the Commonwealth:

"In the dying and fevered final days of his presidency, Donald Trump today poured jet fuel on a fire he started long ago." - Lisa LaFlamme, CTV National News anchor (1/6/21)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?binId=1.810415

 

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PGage

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Jan 7, 2021, 10:38:00 PM1/7/21
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On a day when a seditious mob directed by a US President to break into the Capital to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power, and one of them scratched into one of the Capital doors “Murder the Media”, I did not want to spend my time bashing US coverage. 

But a day later, I will note that I wound up watching most of the days events on MSNBC (I was working from home, and happened to have a 90 minute break about 20 minutes into the event, so  was kind of stuck for a while with MSNBC, the channel my tv happened to be on). A lot of their reporters in the field did a good to very good job, but, so unfortunately, Chuck Todd was in one of the co-anchor chairs (remember, we were supposed to be watching the EC count) and talked over, in his awkward, Toddish, insipid way the far more polished and insightful Katy Tur.

Steve Timko

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Jan 7, 2021, 11:14:16 PM1/7/21
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Kevin M.

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Jan 7, 2021, 11:16:05 PM1/7/21
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 7:37 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
On a day when a seditious mob directed by a US President to break into the Capital to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power, and one of them scratched into one of the Capital doors “Murder the Media”, I did not want to spend my time bashing US coverage.

Today on CNN, Jake Tapper referred to Maggie Haberman as one of the top two journalists in the country. I swear I did an actual spit-take. 


 

But a day later, I will note that I wound up watching most of the days events on MSNBC (I was working from home, and happened to have a 90 minute break about 20 minutes into the event, so  was kind of stuck for a while with MSNBC, the channel my tv happened to be on). A lot of their reporters in the field did a good to very good job, but, so unfortunately, Chuck Todd was in one of the co-anchor chairs (remember, we were supposed to be watching the EC count) and talked over, in his awkward, Toddish, insipid way the far more polished and insightful Katy Tur.
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Dino Alexander

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Jan 8, 2021, 9:45:47 AM1/8/21
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Maggie Haberman wishes she could spit shine Joseph Pulitzer's shoes.

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PGage

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Jan 8, 2021, 9:15:02 PM1/8/21
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I’ve actually had two brief Twitter arguments with Maggie Haberman.  She is not as bad as many of her critics maintain, but she is the prototype of a certain kind of New York Times reporter, who sacrifices truth and accuracy for access to powerful government sources. In a way she is the Judith Miller of the Trump era (that is an exaggeration, she is nowhere near  as bad as Miller was).

Still, any reporter, even Maggie or Chucky Todd, is a hero of the Republic in the era of Trump’s constant war against the press.

Tom Wolper

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Jan 9, 2021, 5:26:46 PM1/9/21
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 9:15 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ve actually had two brief Twitter arguments with Maggie Haberman.  She is not as bad as many of her critics maintain, but she is the prototype of a certain kind of New York Times reporter, who sacrifices truth and accuracy for access to powerful government sources. In a way she is the Judith Miller of the Trump era (that is an exaggeration, she is nowhere near  as bad as Miller was).

Still, any reporter, even Maggie or Chucky Todd, is a hero of the Republic in the era of Trump’s constant war against the press.

The story I heard about the Times when I was a young adult was about Walter Duranty. In the 1930s Stalin was industrializing the USSR and he needed export commodities to exchange for industrial parts. The grain farms in the Ukraine were collectivized and the government gave the local workers a starvation allowance of food and took the rest of the grain for food. Tens of thousands of people starved to death and any farmer who kept any grain to feed his family was arrested and executed. From time to time word got out to the west about the mass starvation and the Times asked Duranty, their reporter in Moscow, to investigate. He never left Moscow (and may not have been able to) and he talked to his Soviet government sources who denied that there was a mass starvation. And that was the story he filed each time. When the cult of Stalin ended in 1956 a lot of suppressed stories came out and there was a lot of anger in the US toward the NY Times for abetting a mass atrocity. Duranty was supposed to be a lesson to journalism about choosing access over investigation.

One thing I haven't seen discussed yet is that the new Congress will certainly be having hearings about what has happened during the last 4 years and why. When the Democratic led House had hearings in 2019 and 2020 they got blocked by the refusal of the White House to allow their people to testify and the refusal of the DOJ to enforce subpoenas. Civil service employees couldn't be protected from retaliation. All of that changes on the 20th as the political appointees will no longer be in the White House and have presidential protection and the civil service employees will be encouraged to testify. I expect a lot of shocking wrongdoing will be uncovered and reporters like Haberman will be called to account for not reporting things going on all around her and choosing to print lies told to her by her sources instead.

PGage

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Jan 9, 2021, 6:22:46 PM1/9/21
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The Durant example is a good one, though I think more directly applies to Miller (who not only wanted access, but was ideologically cozy and lazy), than Haberman (who has been compromising for access, but also does real reporting on her own, and I don’t think is particularly Trumpy in the way that Miller was Bushy).

I think you are exactly right that the changed climate is likely to show that the compromises Maggie made were not nearly worth it.

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PGage

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Jan 13, 2021, 11:28:05 AM1/13/21
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So, this NYT article from yesterday is a classic Haberman piece (though note she shares byline with the great Peter Baker and Annie Karni). Just as Miller was in the pocket of VP Cheney, Haberman has been cozy with Pence, and his allies, and I can’t think of a NYT article that makes that cozy relationship more clear.

One of the things that makes Maggie less horrible than Judith Miller is that Cheney was actually the driver of Bushism, so by functioning as Cheney’s mouthpiece she was actually pushing Bush in a more extreme direction. Pence and his allies OTOH see themselves (with maybe some, though not nearly as much as they think, justification) as a break on Trumpism. 

Steve Timko

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Jan 14, 2021, 8:04:10 PM1/14/21
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Gotta give Haberman credit for this.



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PGage

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Jan 14, 2021, 9:04:49 PM1/14/21
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I don’t give her that much credit, it’s not horribly blue, but she is cashing in on the access she has earned carrying Pence’s water. Is that best practice in journalism? Probably not.

David Bruggeman

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Jan 15, 2021, 12:35:32 AM1/15/21
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She's just sharing the Vice article, which has the same headline.  Credit whomever coined it at Vice.

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PGage

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Mar 25, 2022, 6:17:03 PM3/25/22
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About 15 months ago we had a short thread on NYT reporter Maggie Haberman, which was basically a conversation on was she a bad reporter, or one of the worst reporters ever. I had the former position, but the interval seems to be proving me wrong.

Steve Schmidt took a dump on her all over Twitter today. Nit sure how that will play out (I will defer to others better situated to judge if the texts he released are “menacing”, as Maggie accuses). 

I have to say, Schmidt’s claim that she published an at best lazy and sloppy story accusing him of wrong doing to service Kushner so he would do her a favor does sound exactly like the way she operates, very transactionally. 


Tom Wolper

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Mar 26, 2022, 10:32:48 AM3/26/22
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I see Haberman as the fruit of a poisoned tree and not a rogue in a fundamentally sound institution. In the run up to choosing Trump the GOP decided to get rid of their guardrails and disrupt the entire political system. US institutions that relied upon the stability of that system, including political journalism, went into denial about the disruption.

So I can’t make it personal to Haberman. She’s performing journalism the way her publisher and editors want her to. The results of it are shockingly bad but her personal failure is dwarfed by the institutional failure.

PGage

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Mar 26, 2022, 2:14:09 PM3/26/22
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Fair enough. MH didn’t make the new rules (or burn the old ones) herself. But she does play the game by the new rules with exceptional vigor, and their are reporters at the Times who still seem to okay it with substantially more ethics and principle. 

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