Jansen Rit - oscillations as a function of time constants

43 views
Skip to first unread message

Phillip Johnston

unread,
Nov 26, 2020, 12:23:16 PM11/26/20
to TVB Users
Hi TVBers,

I’m trying to roughly reproduce the results of David & Friston (2003; Fig. 4) and Spiegler et al. (2010; Fig. 7) with the Jansen Rit model, specifically the rhythms generated by a single node as a function of the dendritic time constants. Using the parameters from David & Friston (2003) (but no noise) I get this:


It seems that no oscillations are produced when the inhibitory time constant is roughly equal to or less than the excitatory time constant. If I'm interpreting D&F correctly, they add noise to the input of the excitatory subpopulation, which I'm not sure how to do (if possible). But even without noise, I would expect to see oscillations as long as tau_i > 0.2*tau_e, if I'm interpreting Spiegler et al 2010 correctly.

I'm using the parameters from Table 1 in David and Friston and scaling the synaptic gains (A and B) to the time constants in the same way they did. The only parameter I'm confused about is nu_max and how it maps onto e0 (I just used the default value in TVB).

It's not imperative that I reproduce these results exactly - I'm just hoping to get a better understanding of how this model works and why my results don't agree with the literature.

Any insight much appreciated!
Phil

Phillip Johnston

unread,
Nov 26, 2020, 12:27:49 PM11/26/20
to TVB Users
Figures didn't seem to upload properly. I've attached them here:
Spiegler_et_al_2010_fig7.png
david_friston_2003_fig_4.jpg
tvb_group_question_d&f2003.png

WOODMAN Michael

unread,
Nov 27, 2020, 4:50:52 AM11/27/20
to tvb-...@googlegroups.com

Hi Phillip,

 

We have mostly verified the TVB version corresponds to the original JR 1995 paper, and not these more recent results, which require pencil and paper work to check the equations are the same before considering parameters.

 

But, as a quick guess seeing the figures, there is likely some other parameter which is different here, because those two papers show oscillations for t_e > t_i, which is not the case in TVB by default as you show.  It should be straightforward to do a stability analysis in that region to understand which terms stabilize the fixed point in the TVB/JR1995 version and not in the DF & Spiegler versions.  We don’t yet have this automated in TVB, though it could be done with e.g. sympy; so this is, as they say, an exercise left to the reader.  

 

 

Cheers,

Marmaduke

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVB Users" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvb-users+...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvb-users/11ae59f1-dcb8-4da3-a79e-5c8065cbfddcn%40googlegroups.com.

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages