Are you not all Against these Corrupt Developers? Or What?
Evanson Williamson
Mr Burke and Mr Williams:
If I read you correct, you both are saying that the Tcijournal and Shaun Malcolm are doing something wrong by
1. Questioning Donations made to the PDM and the PNP by Mario Hoffmann, Dellis Cay, and Lord Ashcroft.
2. Demanding that both political parties disclose the reasons and the source of donations.
3. Forcing all party leaders in the TCI to account to the people and their parties for these donations.
4. Asking whether donations in excess of the $50, 000 to the PDM and $500,000 in the case of the PNP went to party officials instead of party accounts.
Somehow you read these positions as having a political agenda and insulting people. Please clarify these points? I am not sure if I am reading you all correctly!.
Sirs, I am sure I am mistaken in my belief that the points raised above may be your opinions and that you both have pro-PDM and PNP agendas. But as I read Peter Williams and Mr Burke, I got the impression that people like yourselves were on the same side of the truth with the tcijournal, the Tcweeklynews News and that PDM group that called for the Commission of Enquiry.
The PDM sir has always been a transparent and accountable political party and when people like Shaun Malcolm, yourselves, Richard Berke, Diana Da gara, Peter Williams, Chris Burke, Anthony Hall and Ben Roberts what they can to attack corruption amongst developers that these attacks are consistent with long held PDM party policy. So one cannot take these attacks on corruption in these islands as having a political agenda, being insulting and or otherwise suspect. I was of the opinion that people like yourselves were doing the right thing. I have read the attacks that your both have printed coming from developers and I am sure I can see no agenda in those blogs on the part of Malcolm, the journal and yourselves as having a political agenda. So my premise in this way is incorrect and I must conclude that you all do not have a personal political agenda, that you are all out stamp out corruption in these islands and that you are not being insulting by simply trying to expose the truth of what these developers have done to this country. Under the PNP of Mike Misick, he attacked all media, clamped down on all media and went after all who questioned him and his corrupt policies. These developers who were part of this and crying foul now at exposure cannot be listened to as they helped Mike Misick destroy the TCI.
We must remember that Peter Williams, the tcijournal, the weekly news, Shaun Malcolm, the Official Opposition and many others took a brave stand to go out on a limb in these islands to expose corruption, suffered attacks, vilification and as are still at it.
I think you need both need to show where Malcolm, yourselves have pre-emptively said or done something that was not the truth. It is important that we ensure that the freedom fighters retain their credibility.
GANGS.
The attribution of the PDM being a gang is a false one. It should be a party with a Constitution and rules. It is a party where these rules and policies are debated in the interests of the people. The PDM can never be called a gang.
A party can be called a gang where it functions like a mob, where one man or group of persons make all the rules and account to no one but themselves.
THE PNP.
The PNP is a well run gang, there are no rules and the corrupt elements in the PNP who have destroyed this country are still running the PNP.
It is a gang and you do the PDM no favors by defending the PDM and the PNP on the same breath. Both parties are run differently and there should be somebody in both parties who can tell leaders etc when they are doing wrong. This is not the case in the PNP.
If you freedom fighters seem to adopt the language of the PNP by talking about insults when corruption is being exposed then you all do your efforts no good at exposing all forms of corruption.
All of you should be questioning the motives, actions, monies and sources or monies from developers. Here all who care about this country would find common ground.
Lawsuits.
The PDM leader’s lawsuit against the tcijournal should be welcomed because the truth must come out. In this way the PDM leader’s position should be applauded. No one should be lied on innocently especially when they maintain that they are innocent.
All persons who write publicly and privately should be pleased to stand up to lawsuit.
Please do respond and please clarify the points raised.
Evan Williams
From: Chris Burke <tciwatch@gmail..com>
To: Turks and Caicos Informers <turks-and-cai...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:36:40 PM
Subject: Re: Stop The Insults, TCI Journal!
I have some news links that may answer some questions about TCI
Journal and Shaun Malcolm's political agenda.
TCWeekly
today:
http://www.tcweeklynews.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=1563&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=2404&hn=tcweeklynews&he=.com
Story about TCI Journal and the characters who commented on the site
look VERY familiar.
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/wikileaks-under-fire-for-publication-of/
Story about TCI Journal attacks:
http://codystiles.xanga.com/712441857/anonymous-blogging---damages-and-defenses/
If you come by any more, do share.
On Sep 18, 7:54 pm, Peter Williams <save_turks_and_cai...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I have sometimes wondered about their agenda, and if
they do not want to see the deaths of the PNP and PDM. What they want for us.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Brittany Fulford <brittany.fulf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Brittany Fulford <brittany.fulf...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Stop The Insults, TCI Journal!
> To: turks-and-cai...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 8:11 PM
>
> Who is behind the TCI Journal anyway?
>
> I have personally stopped reading the journal as they seem to have to total distain for all things Turks and Caicos and all Turks and
Caicos Islanders..
>
> How can any Turks and Caicos Islander with any love or respect for their country support the TCI Journal?
>
> I can assure you that you will see them soon pushing for the enlargement of the franchise.
>
> From: Peter Williams <save_turks_and_cai...@yahoo.com>
> To: turks-and-cai...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:15:18 AM
> Subject: Stop The Insults, TCI Journal!
>
> The Editors
> TCI Journal:
>
> Well you guys, whoever you may be, have done it again. In your today’s story entitled “When Will I Know”, you write the following:
>
> “Let us share two examples, one from each of the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties.”
>
> I am not a member of any political party, but as a Turks & Caicos Islander, I am very offended by our political parties being called “gangs”. I do know many of my fellow citizens who claim membership in both the PNP and the PDM, who neither identify themselves as gang members, nor look and act like gang members.
>
> I implore you to turn down your vitriol; and if you insist on continuing in this manner, then give those you defame and insult, the opportunity to look you in the eye and provide you with the appropriate response.
>
> Members of the Republican and the Democratic Parties in the US , and of the Labor and the Conservative Parties in the UK have at times proven to be bad apples, just as members of our parties have. However, never have I heard these
institutions referred to as gangs. Hence the question I find myself asking more and more as a result of your sometimes anonymous rantings: Are the Turks & Caicos people different from all other peoples?
>
> Stop it! Please!
>
> P.W.
Peter Williams
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”.
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Brittany Fulford
Well Said Mr. Williams
I have been getting your post for a couple of months now, but very seldomly post any thing to the group discussions. I normally just read to stay in touch and be informed, but I feel compelled to respond to this attack on Peter Williams by evanson williamson.
I must begin by taking offense to Mr. Williamson placing you in the same bracket with Shaun Malcolm and the TCI Journal. From my reading you continue to show yourself as someone that loves your country and only wants the best for it.
I also agree that there are honest and respectable men and women in both the PDM and the PNP. I actually have friends and family members that support and are involved in both political parties. They do not behave as gang members. They have families, they run businesses, they have legitimate jobs and they work hard for their living.
Gang members normally sit idly looking to create havoc, terrorize their neighborhoods and rob people in order to survive. In short they live off of other people.
Can someone please let me know if I am missing something. Didn't shaun malcolm claim that he has not been able to work now for a couple of years? But I see him regularly in Miami. Is it just me or do you wonder how he is able to maintain his house and travel as frequently as he does without working?
There are too many accounts of Shaun Malcolm telling his sad story and going to business people every month to pay his bills rather than getting a job.
It is the TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI economy with its reporting.
I know that our people like gossip, but we have to see through how these people are using come islanders to destroy our entire country and demean all of us.
The TCI Journal sits in the dark looking to see who they can attack without cause.
I ask you who sound more like a gang the political parties in the TCI or the TCI Journal?
I know that many people back home give the journal credit for the commission of inquiry (that I believe was totally necessary), but i read the Foreign Affairs Committee report and did not see any thing from the journal and the only thing i saw from shaun was him complaining about his personal land. With all the people that would have probably been in a similar position, he only complained about his land that was lost. I read that and made up my mind that he just wants what the government had. Most of the other submission had to do with real issues of corruption.
And even it they did anything to help bring the corruption of the former administration to an end, it does not give them the right to destroy our country and to behave the way they have been behaving for the past year.
Here in the States I run into so many use car salesmen and conartist that will seek to associate themselves with honest people or drop names of popular figures in hopes that people will look at them in the same vain and place in them the same trust they had in the honest person or popular figure. That seems to be exactly what Evanson Williamson seems to be doing by associating Peter Williams and his google groups with the TCI journal and it offends me.
Please people we were tricked by conartist in the last two elections, PLEASE do not allow the conartists that will emerge now to still continue to deceive us in 2009. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
From: Peter Williams <save_turks...@yahoo.com>
To: turks-and-cai...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:16:51 AM
Subject: Re: Are you not all Against these Corrupt Developers? Or What?
Chris Burke
Journal "fights for," why are they not willing to practice it
themselves? I want to know why Shaun Malcolm says he fears reprisal,
yet is willing to say outrageous and imflammatory remarks? I see that
as oximoronic. If you can explain that to my satisfaction, I would
give TCI Journal more credibility. Attacking every business and
development in TCI is bad for the economy. Just today, it was
reported that 100 people are out work from Nikki. There has to be a
better way to conduct yourselvesm ways that do not interfere any
further with the people of TCI. This is not about supporting
developers, it's about supporting the citizens who want something
other than what you are vying.
CB
On Sep 20, 3:33 pm, Evanson Williamson <evansonwilliam...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> To: Turks and Caicos Informers <turks-and-cai...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:36:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Stop The Insults, TCI Journal!
>
> I have some news links that may answer some questions about TCI
> Journal and Shaun Malcolm's political agenda.
>
> Story about TCI Journal and the characters who commented on the site
>
> Story about TCI Journal attacks:http://codystiles.xanga.com/712441857/anonymous-blogging---damages-an...
>
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