margins

chip

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Nov 3, 2012, 11:14:10 AM11/3/12

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Hi

I confess I'm constantly confused by this as I'm convinced that I've seen different behaviors in Texshop and the pdf that it makes.

I'm trying out Texpad and Latexian...

I realize that "classical" Tufte has the marginal notes and figures, etc on the right hand side of all pages, whether a left or right page. I never understood that. I further realize that that's the default tufte-book state. But with the addition of the symmetric parameter, I understand that that should make the marginal stuff be on the opposite margins:

\documentclass[symmetric,

sfsidenotes,

marginals=raggedouter,

justified]{tufte-book}

But this makes the marginal stuff be on the inside margins and I think it makes more sense for that stuff to be on the outside margins. Either way...how can I get the marginal stuff to be on the outside margins?

thanks,

Ray

Kevin Godby

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Nov 3, 2012, 11:22:33 AM11/3/12

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Hello, Ray.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, chip <br...@pa.msu.edu> wrote:
> I realize that "classical" Tufte has the marginal notes and figures, etc on
> the right hand side of all pages, whether a left or right page. I never
> understood that. I further realize that that's the default tufte-book state.

The tufte-book class aims to mimic the book designs of Edward Tufte.
And his books use an asymmetric layout (i.e., the margin notes are on
the right-hand side regardless of whether it's an odd or even page).

> But with the addition of the symmetric parameter, I understand that that
> should make the marginal stuff be on the opposite margins:
>
> \documentclass[symmetric,
> sfsidenotes,
> marginals=raggedouter,
> justified]{tufte-book}
>
> But this makes the marginal stuff be on the inside margins and I think it
> makes more sense for that stuff to be on the outside margins. Either
> way...how can I get the marginal stuff to be on the outside margins?

With those settings, the marginal stuff should be in the outside margins.

Check to ensure that it's not just an issue with your PDF viewer.
When you view the PDF as two side-by-side pages, page one should be
displayed by itself as it's always a right-hand-side page. Make sure
that the PDF viewer isn't showing you the first two pages
side-by-side.

If it's not an issue with the PDF viewer, but is an issue with the
tufte-book class, please provide a short document that demonstrates
the problem and I'll look into it.

Thanks!

--Kevin

Dan T. Abell

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Nov 3, 2012, 11:55:41 AM11/3/12

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Remember to run latex multiple times.
I sometimes find a margin note in the
wrong margin, but another pass fixes
the misplacement.

On 3 Nov 2012, at 09:14, chip wrote:

> \documentclass[symmetric,
> sfsidenotes,
> marginals=raggedouter,
> justified]{tufte-book}
>
> But this makes the marginal stuff be on the inside margins and I think it makes more sense for that stuff to be on the outside margins. Either way...how can I get the marginal stuff to be on the outside margins?

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Raymond Brock

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Nov 3, 2012, 1:48:34 PM11/3/12

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Hi

Thanks. It's pretty strange:

1. texshop produces what you would expect.

In the previewer...The first page is the epigraph on the "LHS" and *there is no facing page*, then the next page is LH blank page, then the title on the RHS, then copyright on LHS, TOC RHS, blank, ... then: eventually margins are on the outside.

In the pdf...the same.

2. Texpad produces:

In the previewer...The first page is the epigraph on the LHS, then the next page *is a facing RH blank page*, then the title on the LHS, then copyright on RHS, TOC LHS, blank, ... then: eventually margins are on the insides of each page.

In the pdf file...The first page is the epigraph on the "LHS" and *there is no facing page*, then the next page is LH blank page, then the title on the RHS, then copyright on LHS, TOC RHS, blank, ... then: eventually margins are on the outside.

----> So indeed, the pdf that's rendered is what you would want.

For what it's worth, Latexian does the same thing that Texpad does, except it will mess up the title pages of chapters and the book title page (in my document) by shifting the rendering off the page to the left so only about 20% of the right part of the page is visible. The pdf that it produces is correct.

The whole thing seems to be what these apps do with the first page of a tufte-book. If it treats it as a page without a facing page - I guess like a book cover, which I know it's not - then things either are right. IF not then they're out of phase by 180 degrees. So there is something ambiguous about that declaration.

Ray

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