Greek upper case letter Upsilon - latin font only appears.

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Brian Coleman

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Apr 13, 2012, 5:13:04 AM4/13/12
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Hi,

The upper case Greek letter appears correctly in 'non-latin' style
(curves upper sides) in a document using Institute of Physics files
iopart.cls, iopart.sty and iopart10.cls, which also requires the
amsmath to be omitted but includes the amssymb package.

In a LaTeX Tufte based document, which uses both amsmath and amssymb
packages, the same upper case letter always appears as the latin 'Y'.

Anyone got a neat fix for this?

Also maybe answer to the question: is there or will there be sometime
an update to the 2009 LaTeX-Tufte files?

Regards,

Brian Coleman

Kevin Godby

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Apr 15, 2012, 3:29:04 PM4/15/12
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Hello, Brian.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Brian Coleman
<brian.colem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The upper case Greek letter appears correctly in 'non-latin' style
> (curves upper sides) in a document using Institute of Physics files
> iopart.cls, iopart.sty and iopart10.cls, which also requires the
> amsmath to be omitted but includes the amssymb package.
>
> In a LaTeX Tufte based document, which uses both amsmath and amssymb
> packages, the same upper case letter always appears as the latin 'Y'.
>
> Anyone got a neat fix for this?

This is a difference in the fonts. You can see the difference with
the following test document:

\documentclass{article}
%\usepackage[osf,sc]{mathpazo}% Uncomment to see the Palatino \Upsilon
\begin{document}
Uppercase upsilon: $\Upsilon$
\end{document}

If you uncomment the mathpazo package (which sets Palatino as the math
font), you'll see the non-curved upsilon. The default Computer Modern
font has curved strokes for the uppercase upsilon.

If you want to use Computer Modern throughout your document (instead
of Palatino), you can use the nofonts document class option:

\documentclass[nofonts]{tufte-book}% or tufte-handout

> Also maybe answer to the question: is there or will there be sometime
> an update to the 2009 LaTeX-Tufte files?

There will be some updates in the coming months. I'll be starting
work on writing my dissertation then. Many of the things that bug you
guys also bug me, so I'll be fixing them as I go along.

There have been some bug fixes and other minor updates that are in the
code repository but haven't been released to TeX Live yet. You can
always find the latest code at
<http://code.google.com/p/tufte-latex/source>.

If you do encounter any bugs or other issues, please email this
mailing list and I'll be glad to help.

--Kevin Godby

Brian Coleman

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Apr 16, 2012, 9:50:10 AM4/16/12
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Hello Kevin,

Once again huge thanks for your support and general great work.

Yesterday I found a quick fix: \mathsf\Upsilon.
Now it looks like a palm tree again - as it should.

Oddly the \usepackage[osf,sc]{mathpazo} did not seem to do the job,
nor did reversing the true/false entries in the .def file for fonts/
nofonts - perhaps due to my file meddlings.
Anyhow the above fix is fine.

Its great to know that further updates are available and more coming.
Alternate page sizes is much on my mind so I will look over and
experiment with the files on the link you sent.

Amazingly however, almost everything seems to work ok with the 2009
version (and a few workarounds).

By the way, completely off-topic but maybe helpful to some people:
I have found Mac Keynote to be the perfect illustrator for producing
basic book graphics (via export and then Gimp to eps). At least for
elementary stuff it is a very practical substitute for e.g. Inkscape
(not so good on arrows etc.), since managing all such book graphics
can be neatly done in one Keynote file. Presumably PowerPoint and open
source equivalents would be similarly useful.

- Brian Coleman

Kevin Godby

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Apr 16, 2012, 11:46:29 PM4/16/12
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Hello, Brian.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Brian Coleman
<brian.colem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday I found a quick fix: \mathsf\Upsilon.
> Now it looks like a palm tree again - as it should.

That will set the upsilon in the sans serif math font. (As long as it
looks okay to you and no one complains, then it's certainly a viable
solution!)

> Oddly the \usepackage[osf,sc]{mathpazo} did not seem to do the job,
> nor did reversing the true/false entries in the .def file for fonts/
> nofonts - perhaps due to my file meddlings.
> Anyhow the above fix is fine.

Ah, no. The mathpazo package uses the Palatino font for math. The
Palatino upsilon has the straight arms. It was the *lack* of the
mathpazo package in that sample document that would've shown the
curved-armed upsilon (from the Computer Modern font). I'm sorry I
didn't make that clearer before.

The Tufte-LaTeX classes load the mathpazo package by default. That's
why you're seeing the straight-armed upsilon. If you use
\documentclass[nofonts]{tufte-whatever}, then it will suppress loading
the mathpazo package and you should see the default Computer Modern
curved-armed upsilon.

I've attached upsilon-comparison.pdf which shows the difference in
capital upsilons provided by the Computer Modern and Palatino fonts.

I've also attached upsilon.tex which has some code in it that you can
use in your document to automatically get the Computer Modern upsilon
instead of the Palatino one.

> Its great to know that further updates are available and more coming.
> Alternate page sizes is much on my mind so I will look over and
> experiment with the files on the link you sent.

Currently, we support US letter, A4, and B5 page sizes. What page
sizes are you most interested in using?

> Amazingly however, almost everything seems to work ok with the 2009
> version (and a few workarounds).

That's good to hear!

> By the way, completely off-topic but maybe helpful to some people:
> I have found Mac Keynote to be the perfect illustrator for producing
> basic book graphics (via export and then Gimp to eps). At least for
> elementary stuff it is a very practical substitute for e.g. Inkscape
> (not so good on arrows etc.), since managing all such book graphics
> can be neatly done in one Keynote file. Presumably PowerPoint and open
> source equivalents would be similarly useful.

I've been playing with TikZ/PGF a bit lately and am really impressed
in its capabilities. There's certainly a bit of a learning curve,
though.

--Kevin

upsilon-comparison.pdf
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