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The council unanimously approved the amendment to the Mission Bay Park Master Plan on Tuesday afternoon, which is intended as a long-term development plan aiming to enhance and revitalize the De Anza Cove area.

The plan calls for a multi-use waterfront trail, a nature center and a small non-motorized boat area on the cove, recreational areas such as golf facilities, tennis courts and ball fields, and includes space for camping and recreational vehicles.

"The unanimous approval of the De Anza Natural amendment marks a significant milestone in our years-long effort to preserve and enhance one of San Diego's most beloved recreational areas," Mayor Todd Gloria said. "This plan will not only restore vital wetland habitats, but also ensure that De Anza Cove remains a vibrant space for recreation, low-cost visitor accommodations and environmental education for generations to come."

The development of De Anza Natural will likely take years, according to a city statement. The Mission Bay Park Master Plan, adopted in 1994, called for 80 acres of wetlands. The project area, located in the northeast corner of Mission Bay Park, consists of around 191 acres of open water. De Anza Natural will add 143 acres of restored wetlands. This will come at the expense of some campsites and golf facilities.

"This proposal has been a long time coming and throughout the public engagement process it remains clear that De Anza serves a multitude of community interests," said Council President Pro Tem Joe LaCava, chair of the city's Environment Committee. "The proposed plan that unanimously passed out of the Environment Committee strikes the right balance that expands critical habitat, protects water quality, preserves existing uses, and thoughtfully plans for the future."

The amendment is ostensibly intended to balance the needs of the environment with those of recreation in the popular area. The passage of De Anza Natural follows community input going back to 2018 when San Diego released its initial concept proposal.

"We know how important De Anza Cove is to San Diegans, and we want to plan for its long-term success with enhanced wetland habitat and exciting opportunities for people to continue to stay and play in this beloved corner of Mission Bay," City Planning Director Heidi Vonblum said. "We look forward to seeing De Anza Natural come to life with a balance of recreational uses and the wetland habitat, all while preparing for the effects of climate change."

In the future, the city will hold additional public workshops and meetings to develop detailed design plans for site-specific uses. According to the city, it is anticipated that in the interim, existing recreational uses will continue to operate.

Why do they do this? I've never really asked anyone and I really can't make heads or tails as to why they do it. There are no circumstances that would require it, such as early in the morning and they want time for the front 9 to dry out or to give the maintenance guys more time to get the front 9 ready. There's nothing like that it play, as far as I know anyway.

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I frequent one golf course in particular and I would say half the time I go there, there's a sign stating "Starting on the 10th tee today".

Why do they do this? I've never really asked anyone and I really can't make heads or tails as to why they do it. There are no circumstances that would require it, such as early in the morning and they want time for the front 9 to dry out or to give the maintenance guys more time to get the front 9 ready. There's nothing like that it play, as far as I know anyway.

We're talking an ALL DAY rule here.

It's not a super big deal, but on this particular course, my round always seems to go better when I start at the 1st instead of the 10th. Call it superstition? Whatever. I don't know.

Anyone have any ideas?

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I know at my course the only reason we would do that is if we are double teeing or if maintenance asked to have the front 9 clear for some work in the morning. I can't think of any other reason other than "just because"

My guess is that they start on 10 in the morning so that they can do maintenance (mowing, bunkers, any irrigation work, etc.) on the front. Then, it would be too much of a logistical nightmare to revert halfway through the day, as it would cause a logjam on the front.

"I started on the back, so I have preference."

"no, I am just starting my round, I have preference."

Then they fight and a guy ends up getting stabbed in the chest by a broken shaft.

This is why we can't have nice routing changes during the day.

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My guess is that they start on 10 in the morning so that they can do maintenance (mowing, bunkers, any irrigation work, etc.) on the front. Then, it would be too much of a logistical nightmare to revert halfway through the day, as it would cause a logjam on the front.

"I started on the back, so I have preference."

"no, I am just starting my round, I have preference."

Then they fight and a guy ends up getting stabbed in the chest by a broken shaft.

This is why we can't have nice routing changes during the day.

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haha. It probably is course maintenance related, but like I said, it's an all day rule. And yes, I suppose that if they start the day w/ that rule, I suppose they'll just stay w/ the rule for the rest of the day.

I just think, during the middle of the week, in the daytime when it's not terribly busy, they can just allow the players to get back to starting on 1. The course in question here is a very nice course w/ an excellent reputation. They're not lacking in the grounds crew department and they don't do anything on the cheap. I do have a work associate who does live on the course and he tells me he never sees maintenance folks working on the course after 11 AM or noon. Never. So, they obviously must do everything right away in the morning.

Oh well. Whatever.

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Anyone have any ideas?

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There are usually (3) reasons.

Maintenance issues.

Early morning to get more people on the course.

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The 1st Tee gets way more beat up than most other Tees. You have people milling around, taking a zillion practice swings because it's the first hole of the day, arranging bets, tossing balls to determine play order, Mulligans, etc. A number of factors contribute to excessive wear on the 1st Tee, so a smart Super will re-arrange the starting hole to even the usage.

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Do players play only nine holes? If this is a common occurrence, you might alternate starting tees to even out the number of rounds on the front and on the back.

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I've known of a few courses with a high percentage of 9-hole players to do this simply to allow those people to get a chance to play both the front and the back 9 on a regular basis instead of always playing the front.

Courses with afternoon (or morning too I suppose) 9-hole leagues often do this so that the leagues get to play a different side each week without causing a problem for 18-holers who teed off earlier in the day.

[quote name='gmangolf' timestamp='1398568714' post='9178893']

Do players play only nine holes? If this is a common occurrence, you might alternate starting tees to even out the number of rounds on the front and on the back.

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It's likely this. My home course rotates starting on the back or the front to even out the traffic, as we have a bunch of folks that only play 9.

I work at a course and starting on 10 happens for a few reasons: the superintendent asked us to because they had some maintenance that needed extra time, an outing, or leagues. Every outing is unique so you never know what needs to happen in order to accommodate. Once you start the day on ten, unless it's really slow, there is no way to flip it back without risking a customer complaint so you just leave it. The nine hole players like getting to mix things up and no one seems to mind starting on 10.

As others have mentioned, its Maintenance being done, what I have always wondered is why it matters to people, I mean starting on a hole makes it number 1 no matter where you start. you still need to go around the track and play the other 17 holes.

I know one course that starts folks on 10 so they'll have to go past the clubhouse (where they're more likely to buy snacks and such). The routing of the course makes it very convenient to go from 9 to 10 while 18 to 1 takes you thru the parking lot and past the clubhouse and restaurant. We asked an employee there and that was the reason he told us.

My course does this in the winter when there aren't any starters. Hole #1 is across the street from the club house whereas hole #10 is right by the club house. It's easier to check people in and get groups out on time.

there is one course that started using the 10th all the time due to people living along the side of hole 1 always complaining first thing in the morning. the course remodeled 2 years ago and now holes 10-18 have been changed to 1-9 to give the residents 2 hours or so of extra quite time at the start of the day

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