Peruvian account customization
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Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto
Nov 25, 2015, 8:20:05 AM11/25/15
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Dear Trytoners
I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when for taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo invoices:
Invoice mus be something like that:
COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
Date:XXXXXXX
Details:
01 prod 118.00
Total: 100.00
IGV 18.00
Total 118.00
On a Ballet:
Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Details:
01 prod 118.00
Total 118.00
THat is the difference on both documents
My question is how I could start to customize it
THis is some extra documentation that I have found for explain both documents used on my country
Usually when we buy, we ask ¿Ballot or Invoice ?, and this is due to the sellers know, if you're an intermediary or final consumer.
To explain the importance and purpose of these documents, we must understand that the VAT is associated with a Tax Credit and Debit Fiscal and these are based on documents that are the invoices and tickets.
Thus, the seller has a claim in respect of VAT, so he paid when he bought and has a debit sale, so if the seller bought a jar of paint on $ 1,000 (net), will credit $ 190 corresponding to VAT payment (remember that the VAT in Chile is 19%), and when the seller sells the jar of paint on $ 2,200 (net), will debit $ 418, and this debit the seller must pay it in coffers prosecutors, but has a credit of $ 190, so be learned in treasury $ 228 per concept of IGV ($ 418 - $ 190). Therefore invoices and bills, are essential parts IGV control.
However, the ultimate consumer (which is not selling), to pay VAT on your purchase will not generate credit. But, if purchased for resale (not to consume) you are entitled to credit; in this case no ballot is requested but the bill because it is an intermediary. The final consumer is saying to the ballot. So, all perceive their tax credit, unless the consumer. The final consumer is the one who supports the entire IGV in this chain, not the seller or broker as it recovers.
Thus we then credit and debit cards are supported by the ballot and invoice. The end consumer will receive the ballot, and the bill will receive the intermediary, in general. If the broker wants to regain credit, you will need the bill, but will not serve the ballot.
In the invoice, the buyer is individualized and separated the price of goods of taxes. Therefore, if an invoice is issued, you must place the name, address, RUT, activity, the amount of goods sold. All this is done because it must deduct the tax for credit. This tax is added to the value of the product when it reaches the end consumer. The trader keeps the bills for them may receive credit. In contrast with ballots not entitle wing recovery of the tax credit, for this reason the buyer and the products are not sold individually, only the value of the product is recorded.
It should be noted that in order to use the tax credit generated by the VAT, should be VAT taxpayer and be registered with the Internal Revenue Service as such.
As a control measure for evasion it has been established in Chile, the trader intermediary when requesting the bill shall show the RUT and will not serve the copy of it will only serve you the document RUT so that it can issue an invoice. However, the consumer should always require the ballot to buy, otherwise, you are paying the VAT to buy favor the seller to reduce their tax debit, this seriously participate in an act of tax evasion and also the seller I would be staying with the money that the final consumer pay tax when buying.
I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when for taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo invoices:
- Ballot: for normal or common people and final consummer, named for teaxing "natural people"
- Invoice: for companies, named for taxing "legal people" and a fiscal o taxing credit
Invoice mus be something like that:
COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
Date:XXXXXXX
Details:
01 prod 118.00
Total: 100.00
IGV 18.00
Total 118.00
On a Ballet:
Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Details:
01 prod 118.00
Total 118.00
THat is the difference on both documents
My question is how I could start to customize it
THis is some extra documentation that I have found for explain both documents used on my country
Usually when we buy, we ask ¿Ballot or Invoice ?, and this is due to the sellers know, if you're an intermediary or final consumer.
To explain the importance and purpose of these documents, we must understand that the VAT is associated with a Tax Credit and Debit Fiscal and these are based on documents that are the invoices and tickets.
Thus, the seller has a claim in respect of VAT, so he paid when he bought and has a debit sale, so if the seller bought a jar of paint on $ 1,000 (net), will credit $ 190 corresponding to VAT payment (remember that the VAT in Chile is 19%), and when the seller sells the jar of paint on $ 2,200 (net), will debit $ 418, and this debit the seller must pay it in coffers prosecutors, but has a credit of $ 190, so be learned in treasury $ 228 per concept of IGV ($ 418 - $ 190). Therefore invoices and bills, are essential parts IGV control.
However, the ultimate consumer (which is not selling), to pay VAT on your purchase will not generate credit. But, if purchased for resale (not to consume) you are entitled to credit; in this case no ballot is requested but the bill because it is an intermediary. The final consumer is saying to the ballot. So, all perceive their tax credit, unless the consumer. The final consumer is the one who supports the entire IGV in this chain, not the seller or broker as it recovers.
Thus we then credit and debit cards are supported by the ballot and invoice. The end consumer will receive the ballot, and the bill will receive the intermediary, in general. If the broker wants to regain credit, you will need the bill, but will not serve the ballot.
In the invoice, the buyer is individualized and separated the price of goods of taxes. Therefore, if an invoice is issued, you must place the name, address, RUT, activity, the amount of goods sold. All this is done because it must deduct the tax for credit. This tax is added to the value of the product when it reaches the end consumer. The trader keeps the bills for them may receive credit. In contrast with ballots not entitle wing recovery of the tax credit, for this reason the buyer and the products are not sold individually, only the value of the product is recorded.
It should be noted that in order to use the tax credit generated by the VAT, should be VAT taxpayer and be registered with the Internal Revenue Service as such.
As a control measure for evasion it has been established in Chile, the trader intermediary when requesting the bill shall show the RUT and will not serve the copy of it will only serve you the document RUT so that it can issue an invoice. However, the consumer should always require the ballot to buy, otherwise, you are paying the VAT to buy favor the seller to reduce their tax debit, this seriously participate in an act of tax evasion and also the seller I would be staying with the money that the final consumer pay tax when buying.
Sergi Almacellas Abellana
Nov 25, 2015, 9:55:57 AM11/25/15
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El 25/11/15 a les 14:04, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto ha escrit:
> teaxing "natural people"
> * Invoice: for companies, named for taxing "legal people" and a fiscal
will define one new report for ballets and use the existing one for
invoices.
Makes this sense for you?
> Thus we then credit and debit cards are supported by the ballot and
> invoice. The end consumer will receive the ballot, and the bill will
> receive the intermediary, in general. If the broker wants to regain
> credit, you will need the bill, but will not serve the ballot.
>
> In the invoice, the buyer is individualized and separated the price of
> goods of taxes. Therefore, if an invoice is issued, you must place the
> name, address, RUT, activity, the amount of goods sold. All this is done
> because it must deduct the tax for credit. This tax is added to the
> value of the product when it reaches the end consumer. The trader keeps
> the bills for them may receive credit. In contrast with ballots not
> entitle wing recovery of the tax credit, for this reason the buyer and
> the products are not sold individually, only the value of the product is
> recorded.
>
> It should be noted that in order to use the tax credit generated by the
> VAT, should be VAT taxpayer and be registered with the Internal Revenue
> Service as such.
>
> As a control measure for evasion it has been established in Chile, the
> trader intermediary when requesting the bill shall show the RUT and will
> not serve the copy of it will only serve you the document RUT so that it
> can issue an invoice. However, the consumer should always require the
> ballot to buy, otherwise, you are paying the VAT to buy favor the seller
> to reduce their tax debit, this seriously participate in an act of tax
> evasion and also the seller I would be staying with the money that the
> final consumer pay tax when buying.
>
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> Dear Trytoners
>
> I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when
> for taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo
> invoices:
>
> * Ballot: for normal or common people and final consummer, named for
>
> I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when
> for taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo
> invoices:
>
> teaxing "natural people"
> * Invoice: for companies, named for taxing "legal people" and a fiscal
> o taxing credit
>
> On the tax goverment is required having this two kind of payments
> documents, now, for example, I have a prodcut named prd01 wich one hast
> a cost of S/ 100.00, its final price for selling is S/118.00 ( tax applied )
>
> *Invoice mus be something like that:*
>
> On the tax goverment is required having this two kind of payments
> documents, now, for example, I have a prodcut named prd01 wich one hast
> a cost of S/ 100.00, its final price for selling is S/118.00 ( tax applied )
>
>
> COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
> Date:XXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total: 100.00
> IGV 18.00
> Total 118.00
>
> *On a Ballet:*
> COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
> Date:XXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total: 100.00
> IGV 18.00
> Total 118.00
>
>
> Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total 118.00
>
> THat is the difference on both documents
>
For me this is two "diferent" forms of printing the same invoice, so I
> Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total 118.00
>
> THat is the difference on both documents
>
will define one new report for ballets and use the existing one for
invoices.
Makes this sense for you?
>
> My question is how I could start to customize it
>
>
> THis is some extra documentation that I have found for explain both
> documents used on my country
>
> Usually when we buy, we ask ¿Ballot or Invoice ?, and this is due to the
> sellers know, if you're an intermediary or final consumer.
>
> To explain the importance and purpose of these documents, we must
> understand that the VAT is associated with a Tax Credit and Debit Fiscal
> and these are based on documents that are the invoices and tickets.
>
> Thus, the seller has a claim in respect of VAT, so he paid when he
> bought and has a debit sale, so if the seller bought a jar of paint on $
> 1,000 (net), will credit $ 190 corresponding to VAT payment (remember
> that the VAT in Chile is 19%), and when the seller sells the jar of
> paint on $ 2,200 (net), will debit $ 418, and this debit the seller must
> pay it in coffers prosecutors, but has a credit of $ 190, so be learned
> in treasury $ 228 per concept of IGV ($ 418 - $ 190). Therefore invoices
> and bills, are essential parts IGV control.
>
> However, the ultimate consumer (which is not selling), to pay VAT on
> your purchase will not generate credit. But, if purchased for resale
> (not to consume) you are entitled to credit; in this case no ballot is
> requested but the bill because it is an intermediary. The final consumer
> is saying to the ballot. So, all perceive their tax credit, unless the
> consumer. The final consumer is the one who supports the entire IGV in
> this chain, not the seller or broker as it recovers.
>
BTW, can the same party be a ultimate customer and intermediate party?
> My question is how I could start to customize it
>
>
> THis is some extra documentation that I have found for explain both
> documents used on my country
>
> Usually when we buy, we ask ¿Ballot or Invoice ?, and this is due to the
> sellers know, if you're an intermediary or final consumer.
>
> To explain the importance and purpose of these documents, we must
> understand that the VAT is associated with a Tax Credit and Debit Fiscal
> and these are based on documents that are the invoices and tickets.
>
> Thus, the seller has a claim in respect of VAT, so he paid when he
> bought and has a debit sale, so if the seller bought a jar of paint on $
> 1,000 (net), will credit $ 190 corresponding to VAT payment (remember
> that the VAT in Chile is 19%), and when the seller sells the jar of
> paint on $ 2,200 (net), will debit $ 418, and this debit the seller must
> pay it in coffers prosecutors, but has a credit of $ 190, so be learned
> in treasury $ 228 per concept of IGV ($ 418 - $ 190). Therefore invoices
> and bills, are essential parts IGV control.
>
> However, the ultimate consumer (which is not selling), to pay VAT on
> your purchase will not generate credit. But, if purchased for resale
> (not to consume) you are entitled to credit; in this case no ballot is
> requested but the bill because it is an intermediary. The final consumer
> is saying to the ballot. So, all perceive their tax credit, unless the
> consumer. The final consumer is the one who supports the entire IGV in
> this chain, not the seller or broker as it recovers.
>
> Thus we then credit and debit cards are supported by the ballot and
> invoice. The end consumer will receive the ballot, and the bill will
> receive the intermediary, in general. If the broker wants to regain
> credit, you will need the bill, but will not serve the ballot.
>
> In the invoice, the buyer is individualized and separated the price of
> goods of taxes. Therefore, if an invoice is issued, you must place the
> name, address, RUT, activity, the amount of goods sold. All this is done
> because it must deduct the tax for credit. This tax is added to the
> value of the product when it reaches the end consumer. The trader keeps
> the bills for them may receive credit. In contrast with ballots not
> entitle wing recovery of the tax credit, for this reason the buyer and
> the products are not sold individually, only the value of the product is
> recorded.
>
> It should be noted that in order to use the tax credit generated by the
> VAT, should be VAT taxpayer and be registered with the Internal Revenue
> Service as such.
>
> As a control measure for evasion it has been established in Chile, the
> trader intermediary when requesting the bill shall show the RUT and will
> not serve the copy of it will only serve you the document RUT so that it
> can issue an invoice. However, the consumer should always require the
> ballot to buy, otherwise, you are paying the VAT to buy favor the seller
> to reduce their tax debit, this seriously participate in an act of tax
> evasion and also the seller I would be staying with the money that the
> final consumer pay tax when buying.
>
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Cédric Krier
Nov 25, 2015, 10:20:03 AM11/25/15
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On 2015-11-25 05:04, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote:
> Dear Trytoners
>
> I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when for
> taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo invoices:
>
>
> - Ballot: for normal or common people and final consummer, named for
> Dear Trytoners
>
> I am writing you about a question related on to manage invoincing, when for
> taxing goverment law we require to manage two different types fo invoices:
>
>
> teaxing "natural people"
> - Invoice: for companies, named for taxing "legal people" and a fiscal o
> taxing credit
>
> On the tax goverment is required having this two kind of payments
> documents, now, for example, I have a prodcut named prd01 wich one hast a
> cost of S/ 100.00, its final price for selling is S/118.00 ( tax applied )
>
> *Invoice mus be something like that:*
>
> On the tax goverment is required having this two kind of payments
> documents, now, for example, I have a prodcut named prd01 wich one hast a
> cost of S/ 100.00, its final price for selling is S/118.00 ( tax applied )
>
>
> COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
> Date:XXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total: 100.00
> IGV 18.00
> Total 118.00
>
> *On a Ballet:*
> COmpany name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> TAX ID: XXXXXXXXX
> Date:XXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total: 100.00
> IGV 18.00
> Total 118.00
>
>
> Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total 118.00
>
> THat is the difference on both documents
>
>
> My question is how I could start to customize it
As far as I see this is plainly the usual VAT workflow, nohting new.
> Person name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Date: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> Details:
> 01 prod 118.00
>
> Total 118.00
>
> THat is the difference on both documents
>
>
> My question is how I could start to customize it
I don't understand why you absolutely want to not show the taxes amount
on the final customer invoice but as Sergi said it is just a matter of
report template.
But of course, you did not talk at all about the accounting writing nor
the tax report which could have some weird things (but I doubt).
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Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto
Nov 26, 2015, 5:55:03 AM11/26/15
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Dear Developers
AS show you on the content, is not just a way of printing. Both documents are madatory on Peruvian Laws, if a business dont use each of the for the respective costummer ( yes, companies could befinal consummer ), then bussines coulnt work and could have legal issues and really big penalties ( including jail )
. Using this both of document and separated sequence number and accounting is mandatory, and need a way where, when I decide to create a party as natural people, tryton inmediately must use Ballet, and on legal people, Tryton must use ballet
Best Regards
AS show you on the content, is not just a way of printing. Both documents are madatory on Peruvian Laws, if a business dont use each of the for the respective costummer ( yes, companies could befinal consummer ), then bussines coulnt work and could have legal issues and really big penalties ( including jail )
. Using this both of document and separated sequence number and accounting is mandatory, and need a way where, when I decide to create a party as natural people, tryton inmediately must use Ballet, and on legal people, Tryton must use ballet
Best Regards
Cédric Krier
Nov 26, 2015, 6:05:04 AM11/26/15
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On 2015-11-26 02:30, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote:
> Dear Developers
>
> AS show you on the content, is not just a way of printing. Both documents
> are madatory on Peruvian Laws, if a business dont use each of the for the
> respective costummer ( yes, companies could befinal consummer ), then
> bussines coulnt work and could have legal issues and really big penalties (
> including jail )
> . Using this both of document and separated sequence number and accounting
> is mandatory, and need a way where, when I decide to create a party as
> natural people, tryton inmediately must use Ballet, and on legal people,
> Tryton must use ballet
Still you don't talk at all about the accounting. So we can only guess
> Dear Developers
>
> AS show you on the content, is not just a way of printing. Both documents
> are madatory on Peruvian Laws, if a business dont use each of the for the
> respective costummer ( yes, companies could befinal consummer ), then
> bussines coulnt work and could have legal issues and really big penalties (
> including jail )
> . Using this both of document and separated sequence number and accounting
> is mandatory, and need a way where, when I decide to create a party as
> natural people, tryton inmediately must use Ballet, and on legal people,
> Tryton must use ballet
it is the same for both kind and so it is just a matter of layout and
numbering (you can customize the invoice to use a different sequence).
PS: Please don't top-post on this mailing list, see
http://groups.tryton.org/netiquette
Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto
Nov 26, 2015, 6:19:15 AM11/26/15
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Dear Developers
There is one error on the last line on the last mail
Is mandatoy that
- Parties that are "Natural people" must have ballet, must no be possible use other kind of document
- Parties that are "Legal people" must have invoices, they could ask fo ballet if they want, but ballet dont generate "fiscal credit"
If a company dont use both of then when separated accounting, could have legal issues and could have real big penalties
best regards
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Nov 26, 2015, 6:45:03 AM11/26/15
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On 2015-11-26 06:05, Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto wrote:
> Dear Developers
>
> There is one error on the last line on the last mail
>
> Is mandatoy that
>
> - Parties that are "Natural people" must have ballet, must no be possible
> use other kind of document
>
> - Parties that are "Legal people" must have invoices, they could ask fo
> ballet if they want, but ballet dont generate "fiscal credit"
>
> If a company dont use both of then when separated accounting, could have
> legal issues and could have real big penalties
For the last time, I will repeat.
> Dear Developers
>
> There is one error on the last line on the last mail
>
> Is mandatoy that
>
> - Parties that are "Natural people" must have ballet, must no be possible
> use other kind of document
>
> - Parties that are "Legal people" must have invoices, they could ask fo
> ballet if they want, but ballet dont generate "fiscal credit"
>
> If a company dont use both of then when separated accounting, could have
> legal issues and could have real big penalties
You are only talking about layout and display but never ever you have
talked about the accounting moves and the tax reports.
So we can only guess that indeed there is no differences on this topic
and so for me, you can solve the issue by using different journals and
customize the numbering base on the journal.
PS: Many localization has required different numbering option for the
invoice. I'm pretty sure a generic solution should be to use the
MatchMixin pattern with a list on the fiscalyear.
Carlos Eduardo Sotelo Pinto
Nov 26, 2015, 8:50:04 AM11/26/15
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After talking with an accountant friend, her explain me that is no need to have two differnt views, however, is really important having two different clients ( natural parties and legal parties )
After talking with an accountant friend, her explain me that is no need to have two differnt views, however, is really important having two different clients ( natural parties and legal parties )
- Natural parties, they are the default parties using simple invoicing, which is the default invoicing
- Legal parties, they are companies or business, using normal invoice
Diferences
- Normal invoince is for legal parties, and the id is used for the goverment authority, cause it will be used for follow taxes and payments
- Simple invoice is used for natural parties o final consumers
Caracteristhics
- Both types of documents ( simple and normal invoice are just selling but must be reported on diffrent reports, making diference betweem them for the goverment authority
- ON the accounting, selling are just selling and the invoice printed is just a type f report for the client, however must have a flow, something like that
1. Register client and client type ( natural or legal )
2. Create a sell
3. Print invoice
3.1 If is a legal party, normal invoice must be printed
When a report is done:
1. One repot for simple invoices
2. One report for normal invoices
Please, help on what will be the best solution for it
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