Akai Apc Key 25 Ableton

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Julian Gladyshev

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Aug 3, 2024, 4:57:30 PM8/3/24
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When i push the play button from ableton , the midi data from The ableton automation that have CC value are sent to the akai force and the akai force send them back immediately to ableton . Then ableton desactivate the autmation .

In this configuration each akai track send and recieve midi data To and from ableton . But as i mentionned this configuration have a Feedback loop with ableton so that it desactivate Ableton automation when in play

From a Bome MT Pro standpoint, we can certainly block messages coming back from Live by either removing the MIDI thru path or putting in translators to block certain messages. We may not, however, be able to tell the difference between MIDI feedback provided by Ableton Live for messages sent from the Akai Force, or messages originating from Live. This is because the messages will be the same in either case.

For instance, say you push play in Live and it sends this message to the Akai Force. We may be able to take this message from Live, send it to the Force and then block the return message if we can determine it originated from Live.

Say ga=1 means it originated from the Ableton Live port and ga=0 if the message originated from your Force. We could look at this variable whenever the message comes in and if ga=1 then block the message coming back from the Akai Force. Does this make sense? It may take a bit of experimenting to get such a system working.

If there are not = , it means that i am tweaking a knob and then Block midi messages from Ableton to Akai force and let Midi messages from Akai force to Ableton pass. So that there is still no feedback.
If we can do that at a CC level and channel level !! OMG , that would solve totaly my feedback problem.

oh dreams come true maybe. seem to me that akai recently know the dreams of many people. makes me sad because deluge has many many buttons. would be the perfect machine for this but song mode is so unusable for free launching. clones are confusing and no overview.

Force blurs the lines between contemporary music production solutions and the latest technologies available for DJ performance, a first among the industry standards. By merging clip triggering, step-sequencing, sampling, but also in-house synthesis engines, not to mention the latest-generation touchscreen, all in one stand-alone performance equipment, the Force combines the essential features to offer ultra-intuitive ergonomics and allow you to give free rein to your creativity.

Force embeds a matrix of 8x8 trigger pads with RGB backlight, a 7-inch color touch screen, 8 touch-sensitive potentiometers with individual graphic OLed display, 2 audio inputs, 4 audio outputs, not to mention the MIDI and CV Gate connectivity . All this end to end leaves the user unprecedented creative freedom, since it even goes to emancipate a complementary computer.

The very essence of Force consists of a workflow focused on the use of the clips, which are at the origin of your creative performances. Choose multiple modes such as plugins, MPC-style drum tracks, but also audio tracks, Keygroups, MIDI tracks, and CV tracks to set your clip type, then customize them with step sequencer and performance pads , and add notes via the edit window or the smart-scales, chords or progressions modes.

In addition, Force has advanced real-time timestrech capabilities and pitch modulation with quality equivalent to current music production software, effects plug-in from AIR Music Technology collections, and TubeSynth synthesis engines. , Bassline and Electric. Another synth, Hype, extends this list, a synth based on presets and macros accumulating several synthesis engines in one plugin, easy to use. Force can also record up to 8 stereo audio tracks.

Force includes more than 10GB of embedded sounds, from the most famous collections of premium content like SampleTools by CR2, MSX Audio and Sample Magic. With 248 kits, 16 demo projects, more than 2,500 loops and 500 designs, the Force library opens the doors to the best sounds for your creativity.

As of March 2019, Force will also include deep integration with Ableton Live in controller mode. This feature will include visibility and full control over the Ableton clip array, touch control of mix parameters including crossfader assignment, and control of Force settings on the Ableton Live workspace, via the screen. Touch and Force Q-Link knobs.

In addition, March 2019 will also mark the integration of Splice into Force. Splice Sounds powers the creativity of producers around the world with access to millions of high-quality, royalty-free samples, sounds, presets and loops, covering almost every genre of music. With the integration of Splice, Force users will have immediate Wi-Fi access to their own Splice library directly from the touch user interface - perfect for ultra-fast auditioning of sounds to be integrated into their project.

Big problem with akai live was..that only 256 mb can be used in a full projekt..thats sucks.! nobody is telling you about this amazing lie..you got 16 gb on board..can install harddrive with 1 TB..but,can use only 256 mb in a projekt:))
i think the same will be with akai live/force.!

Like most people here, I love my Deluge and Synthstrom. I have been toying with the idea to add an MPC to my set up as I really like some MPC-features. However, even though things are beginning to point in the right direction it seems that the priorities of the MPC development are features as opposed to reliability and stability. I find it baffling that AKAI announce bringing down MIDI jitter to 5.5 ms when slaved to external clock as though it is an amazing breakthrough. It may be when that figure represents a reduction of MIDI jitter by a factor of more than 100% (previously it was something like 12.5 ms) - but that does not make it any more acceptable, especially considering previous MPCs' values which were lower by a factor of 100 (Source).

Let's see if Disk Streaming will indeed get implemented and work as expected. I hope AKAI will be able to deliver as I could see an MPC working very well alongside a Deluge. But looking at the way Rohan has been able to optimise the Deluge's FW to make better use of available HW I fear AKAI are sitting on too complex a code base and will never be able (or be interested in) to deliver basic performance on par with their machines of the past.

Of course this may not be a problem for some people who never intend to run their AKAI machines as slaves. Equally it may be that some users are not sensitive to such timing irregularities in which case my point is irrelevant to them. But personally I would always favour the approach of having a solid core foundation before adding features.

Trade a laptop for something with a small screen that doesn't fold upward? ; - )
Yes, it'll be good, how good will be revealed in the playing of it.
If it were still portable I'd be more interested.

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