Fwd: Similar to Kathy Shubert's case? Jeff Littman case in Wisconsin

[Dale Brown]

<<  Here is the link Bob Mionske's article that discusses a motorist who had sun in their eyes after killing a cyclist.
The second url is the announcement that the case would not be prosecuted.

• http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2010/10/14/lost-in-the-glare/
• http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/130312518.html    >>

 

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[Keith Wilson]

I wonder what would happen to a "blind" driver if they hit a kid waiting on the bus, or t-boned grandma in her 94 Buick.  I'm sure charges would be filed, even though the driver was "blinded" by the sun.

Why don't bicyclists get the same respect when they are hit and/or killed?

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Subject: [Triad Cycling] Fwd: Similar to Kathy Shubert's case? Jeff Littman case in Wisconsin
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[Susan]

I cycle....and I'm so sorry for the tragedy. However, one day I almost hit someone the same time of day...I truly didn't see the person and just got lucky!! And do did the person. Drivers owe us respect but we need to remember that we are harder to see...especially that time of day.  We need to be realistic...regardless if fault we'll be hurt worse. Ever since I almost hit that person, considering myself very vigilant, I am very very defensive. I probably missed the person by a foot! I could not have lived with myself and seriously just got lucky...no cell phone..no speeding......just very bad lighting and other cars. I'm sorry if I offend anybody but I don't want one of us to hit someone to realize what that person is probably feeling. I know it is nothing compared to the family and friends, but the driver isn't getting off free no matter what. Just realize cycling at that time puts at a higher risk...and we're already high risk!

Susan D. McConnell, PA

[Mary]

I have to agree with Susan that this could happen to any of us.

 

Every single day I drive my car, I find myself actively looking for chances where I could easily not have noticed someone walking, cycling, etc., on the roadway. I am almost paranoid about it now, and I creep along the road sometimes making sure I don't even hit a lightning bug (especially if he or she is lit up).

 

What really gets my goose is how almost every time I drive through Greensboro at night, I pass cyclists who are dressed completely in black or dark blue and have no reflective points and no lights. For example, for the 3 months (October through December) of last year when I swam 4 nights a week at the GAC, every time I rode up Westridge and turned left onto Hobbs and then onto Holden Road, I would pass such a nearly-invisible cyclist. I never, ever saw one brightly dressed with a reflective jersey (like my husband's SeeMeWear jersey) with blinkie lights. And, even though Westridge has bike lanes, I passed cyclists who were riding over in the vehicle lane, and ones who passed through red lights without stopping, and ones who wove in and out of traffic. I was shocked. At the risk of being redundant, this was NOT a rare sight!

 

I could have very, very easily become that lady who now has to live with having killed someone with her vehicle. There but for the grace of God go I, and go each of us as well. I apologize for offending anyone or ruffling anyone's feathers, as I know our feelings are very tender when we think of someone who has lost his/her life, but each of us could be on either side of such a tragedy, and I am trying hard not to judge. That is not my place.

 

I know nowadays when I ride, I say a little prayer of thanks for EVERY vehicle that passes me safely, asking God to bless each and every driver who manages to not turn me into roadkill (even if they shout at me and say get the "eff" off the road, lol). We share a narrow path on the roadways.

 

If you happen to pass me on the roads somewhere, a short, chubby, middle-aged, Susan-Boyle-type lady on a darling blue extra-small Giant, don't be surprised to see my jersey lit up with battery-operated Christmas lights. I'm thinking about doing that even if I manage to look dorkier than I do already. I will never look like someone riding in Tour de France, but perhaps I will be more visible!

 

Mary Roach

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Subject: Re: [Triad Cycling] Fwd: Similar to Kathy Shubert's case? Jeff Littman case in Wisconsin

I cycle....and I'm so sorry for the tragedy. However, one day I almost hit someone the same time of day...I truly didn't see the person and just got lucky!! And do did the person. Drivers owe us respect but we need to remember that we are harder to see...especially that time of day.  We need to be realistic...regardless if fault we'll be hurt worse. Ever since I almost hit that person, considering myself very vigilant, I am very very defensive. I probably missed the person by a foot! I could not have lived with myself and seriously just got lucky...no cell phone..no speeding......just very bad lighting and other cars. I'm sorry if I offend anybody but I don't want one of us to hit someone to realize what that person is probably feeling. I know it is nothing compared to the family and friends, but the driver isn't getting off free no matter what. Just realize cycling at that time puts at a higher risk...and we're already high risk!

Susan D. McConnell, PA

On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Keith Wilson <gkw1...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I wonder what would happen to a "blind" driver if they hit a kid waiting on the bus, or t-boned grandma in her 94 Buick.  I'm sure charges would be filed, even though the driver was "blinded" by the sun.

Why don't bicyclists get the same respect when they are hit and/or killed?

[Moni]

I carry extra red blinkie lights in my glove box and politely offer
them to riders without lights at night or early morning. I should get
some of the yellow, reflective tape or bands & offer also. But most
of the riders I see early in the morning, on my way to yoga, have
extremely bright head lights and red blinkie lights, easy to see and,
as a driver, I am thankful. Moni

On Apr 17, 4:24 pm, Mary <maraschinom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with Susan that this could happen to any of us.
>
> Every single day I drive my car, I find myself actively looking for chances where I could easily not have noticed someone walking, cycling, etc., on the roadway. I am almost paranoid about it now, and I creep along the road sometimes making sure I don't even hit a lightning bug (especially if he or she is lit up).
>
> What really gets my goose is how almost every time I drive through Greensboro at night, I pass cyclists who are dressed completely in black or dark blue and have no reflective points and no lights. For example, for the 3 months (October through December) of last year when I swam 4 nights a week at the GAC, every time I rode up Westridge and turned left onto Hobbs and then onto Holden Road, I would pass such a nearly-invisible cyclist. I never, ever saw one brightly dressed with a reflective jersey (like my husband's SeeMeWear jersey) with blinkie lights. And, even though Westridge has bike lanes, I passed cyclists who were riding over in the vehicle lane, and ones who passed through red lights without stopping, and ones who wove in and out of traffic. I was shocked. At the risk of being redundant, this was NOT a rare sight!
>
> I could have very, very easily become that lady who now has to live with having killed someone with her vehicle. There but for the grace of God go I, and go each of us as well. I apologize for offending anyone or ruffling anyone's feathers, as I know our feelings are very tender when we think of someone who has lost his/her life, but each of us could be on either side of such a tragedy, and I am trying hard not to judge. That is not my place.
>
> I know nowadays when I ride, I say a little prayer of thanks for EVERY vehicle that passes me safely, asking God to bless each and every driver who manages to not turn me into roadkill (even if they shout at me and say get the "eff" off the road, lol). We share a narrow path on the roadways.
>
> If you happen to pass me on the roads somewhere, a short, chubby, middle-aged, Susan-Boyle-type lady on a darling blue extra-small Giant, don't be surprised to see my jersey lit up with battery-operated Christmas lights. I'm thinking about doing that even if I manage to look dorkier than I do already. I will never look like someone riding in Tour de France, but perhaps I will be more visible!
>
> Mary Roach
>
>
>
>
>

> >________________________________
> > From: Susan <suz...@aol.com>
> >To: "gkw111...@hotmail.com" <gkw111...@hotmail.com>
> >Cc: Dale Brown <dalebbr...@gmail.com>; "<triadc...@googlegroups.com>" <triadc...@googlegroups.com>; "<triad-tria...@googlegroups.com>" <triad-tria...@googlegroups.com>; "<deoro...@googlegroups.com>" <deoro...@googlegroups.com>; "<jonch...@gmail.com>" <jonch...@gmail.com>; "<xbe...@hotmail.com>" <xbe...@hotmail.com>; "<cgi...@earthlink.net>" <cgi...@earthlink.net>; "<meg.l.r...@gmail.com>" <meg.l.r...@gmail.com>; "<robert.benfi...@gmail.com>" <robert.benfi...@gmail.com>; "<r...@cclbranding.com>" <r...@cclbranding.com>; "<masi...@bellsouth.net>" <masi...@bellsouth.net>; "<kuki...@mac.com>" <kuki...@mac.com>; "<slof...@aol.com>" <slof...@aol.com>; "<cyclewoo...@yahoo.com>" <cyclewoo...@yahoo.com>; "<zrisr...@uncg.edu>" <zrisr...@uncg.edu>

> >Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Triad Cycling] Fwd: Similar to Kathy Shubert's case? Jeff Littman case in Wisconsin
>
> >I cycle....and I'm so sorry for the tragedy. However, one day I almost hit someone the same time of day...I truly didn't see the person and just got lucky!! And do did the person. Drivers owe us respect but we need to remember that we are harder to see...especially that time of day.  We need to be realistic...regardless if fault we'll be hurt worse. Ever since I almost hit that person, considering myself very vigilant, I am very very defensive. I probably missed the person by a foot! I could not have lived with myself and seriously just got lucky...no cell phone..no speeding......just very bad lighting and other cars. I'm sorry if I offend anybody but I don't want one of us to hit someone to realize what that person is probably feeling. I know it is nothing compared to the family and friends, but the driver isn't getting off free no matter what. Just realize cycling at that time puts at a higher risk...and we're already high risk!
>
> >Susan D. McConnell, PA
>

> >On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Keith Wilson <gkw111...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I wonder what would happen to a "blind" driver if they hit a kid waiting on the bus, or t-boned grandma in her 94 Buick.  I'm sure charges would be filed, even though the driver was "blinded" by the sun.
>
> >>Why don't bicyclists get the same respect when they are hit and/or killed?
>

> >>________________________________

> >>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:33:35 -0400
> >>Subject: [Triad Cycling] Fwd: Similar to Kathy Shubert's case? Jeff Littman case in Wisconsin

> >>From: dalebbr...@gmail.com
> >>To: triadc...@googlegroups.com; triad-tria...@googlegroups.com; deoro...@googlegroups.com; jonch...@gmail.com; xbe...@hotmail.com; cgi...@earthlink.net; meg.l.r...@gmail.com; robert.benfi...@gmail.com; r...@cclbranding.com; masi...@bellsouth.net; kuki...@mac.com; SLoF...@aol.com; cyclewoo...@yahoo.com; zrisr...@uncg.edu

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> >><<  Here is the link Bob Mionske's article that discusses a motorist who had sun in their eyes after killing a cyclist.
> >>The second url is the announcement that the case would not be prosecuted.
>

> >>        *http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2010/10/14/lost-in-the-glare/
> >>        *http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/130312518.html   >> --

> >>Dale Brown
> >>cycles de ORO, Inc.
> >>1410 Mill Street, Ste 100
> >>Greensboro, North Carolina USA 27408-2105
> >>336.274.5959
> >>www.cyclesdeoro.com
> >>www.classicrendezvous.com
> >>www.carolinacup.com
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