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Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 13, 2016, 1:11:42 AM2/13/16
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Swayed, finally, by a boat show discount on the license, I find myself
three days into a ten-day free trial of Coastal Explorer. (In fairness,
I have not left the dock, having banged my knee up just as I started.)
The interface is driving me batty, and I am at my wits' end trying to
make it behave. The documentation is of little help, the 'net has been
not much more, and my hopes of heading down to the Miami show and
getting some questions answered in person were dashed by the
aforementioned knee injury.

Before my trial runs out and I make a rash decision, I thought I'd turn
to the collective wisdom here, since I know many of you are using CE.
Here's what I am struggling with:

1. There seems to be no way to turn off audible CPA alarms. I want to
see dangerous targets turn red or pink or flash or whatever on the
screen but not hear anything. Here at the dock I've had to turn the CPA
down to 100' and TCPA to one minute to avoid having the thing going off
constantly. That's not a good solution since it means I have to remember
to turn the CPA and TCPA back up when under way, or I won't even get the
visual alerts. (And even then, frankly, I just don't want audible AIS
collision alarms, period.) Am I missing a button or setting here?

2. I have an AIS receiver that is separate from my transmitter.
Consequently, my own vessel shows up as a target following me closely
(thankfully my transmitter is Class-A, or it would be even more of a
nuisance, catching up to me in spurts). How can I tell CE to ignore my
own vessel?

3. I'd like to explore the Active Captain integration, which is a
requisite for any charplotting SW we use. But there does not seem to be
a way to do that in the trial version. I understand why Rose Point
doesn't want to give away access to their own proprietary POI/conditions
databases to anyone but paying customers, but why lock AC out? Or,
again, am I just missing some mechanism to get this to work?

4. I have at least one COM port that takes input from one device but
sends output to a different one (depth sounder and autopilot,
specifically). CE seems to want to set port behavior based on what
device it sees on the input side. Is there a way to convince it
otherwise? (My whole system is 0183; I have no 2K aboard.)

Thanks for any light that can be shed on these, either on-list or by
direct email.

-Sean
m/y Vector
lying Riviera Beach, FL
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com


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L H via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 13, 2016, 2:08:29 AM2/13/16
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I have been using CE for about 5 years, here are some comments.


On 2/12/16 10:10 PM, Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
>
> 1. There seems to be no way to turn off audible CPA alarms. I want to
> see dangerous targets turn red or pink or flash or whatever on the
> screen but not hear anything. Here at the dock I've had to turn the CPA
> down to 100' and TCPA to one minute to avoid having the thing going off
> constantly. That's not a good solution since it means I have to remember
> to turn the CPA and TCPA back up when under way, or I won't even get the
> visual alerts. (And even then, frankly, I just don't want audible AIS
> collision alarms, period.) Am I missing a button or setting here?
While at the dock or when you don't want audible alerts, they can be
turned off. Go to Main Menu (upper left corner)> Options>Alerts>Voice.
Uncheck 'Enable voice alerts'. You will have to re-enable voice alerts
when operating. Another choice is to use the 'mute' button or command
on the computer.
>
> 2. I have an AIS receiver that is separate from my transmitter.
> Consequently, my own vessel shows up as a target following me closely
> (thankfully my transmitter is Class-A, or it would be even more of a
> nuisance, catching up to me in spurts). How can I tell CE to ignore my
> own vessel?
Can you use the receiver on the class a unit? CE will not want to
ignore any inbound AIS signal.
>
> 3. I'd like to explore the Active Captain integration, which is a
> requisite for any charplotting SW we use. But there does not seem to be
> a way to do that in the trial version. I understand why Rose Point
> doesn't want to give away access to their own proprietary POI/conditions
> databases to anyone but paying customers, but why lock AC out? Or,
> again, am I just missing some mechanism to get this to work?

Active Captain is added at Main Menu>Licensing and Add-Ons>tab Store. I
don't know if the trial versions allows this.
>
> 4. I have at least one COM port that takes input from one device but
> sends output to a different one (depth sounder and autopilot,
> specifically). CE seems to want to set port behavior based on what
> device it sees on the input side. Is there a way to convince it
> otherwise? (My whole system is 0183; I have no 2K aboard.)
The input ports for CE have to be serial. For modern computers without
serial ports, a serial to USB converter is needed.
The baud rate has to be set for each attached device. On my boat each
device is either a sender or a receiver, and each is attached to its own
serial port on a serial to USB converter hub (4 serial ports to one USB
port). The COM ports in the computer are linked to each serial
port(device).

The Rose Point support pages and the CE Forum have tech info on a lot of
this. See Main Menu>Help and Product Support>scroll down.
>
> Thanks for any light that can be shed on these, either on-list or by
> direct email.
Hope that helps.

Larry H

Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 13, 2016, 12:02:52 PM2/13/16
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Thanks Larry, for the detailed response. Please see below.

On 02/13/2016 02:07 AM, L H wrote:
> ... While at the dock or when you don't want audible alerts, they can
> be turned off. Go to Main Menu (upper left corner)>
> Options>Alerts>Voice. Uncheck 'Enable voice alerts'. You will have
> to re-enable voice alerts when operating. Another choice is to use
> the 'mute' button or command on the computer.

OK, I should have been more clear: Yes, I know how to turn off the voice
alerts, but it still beeps. Sure, I can turn off the computer's speaker,
but then I won't hear any of the other alerts, either, for example, the
anchor alarm. When I'm anchored 300' from the ICW channel on Adams
Creek, I certainly want to hear the anchor alarm at 2am, at the loudest
possible setting. But I don't want to know about every tugboat going by
all night. It sure looks to me like the only ways to achieve this are
either to set the CPA down to a minuscule distance, or turn off the
port listening to the AIS. This seems like an uncomplicated feature;
the $50 chartplotting program I'm using now has a simple checkbox to
enable or disable each type of audible alarm separately.

While I'm on the subject, again maybe I'm missing something here, but
when the program starts beeping, there does not seem to be an obvious
way to know just what it's beeping about. It was only by staring at the
screen while it was beeping, and then trial-and-error settings changes,
that led me to conclude the beeps were proximity alarms. Maybe other
alarms have different sounds?


>> ...
> Can you use the receiver on the class a unit? CE will not want to
> ignore any inbound AIS signal.

Again, let me clarify: I use *both* receivers. Each picks up targets the
other misses -- the Class-A unit picks up much more distant targets, but
misses some Class-B targets or targets with encodings newer than when it
was last updated, circa 2012. The receive-only unit, built into a
Standard Horizon radio, sends data much faster. I've learned that if I
want to have the best information I should have both units talking. If I
had to choose only one receiver, it would be the Standard Horizon,
because closer targets are more important, and that would still leave me
with this problem. Here again, the program I am using now has a place to
add the MMSI of your own vessel (or any other single vessel you wish to
ignore, such as a tender you may be towing) so that it does not show up
on the screen or cause alarms (it still shows up in the ship list and
maintains all the data for it). Multiple AIS receivers does not seem to
be a complicated or unusual arrangement (many ships have more than one),
any more so than multiple GPS sources or multiple radios (we have three
in the pilothouse).


>>
>> ...
>
> Active Captain is added at Main Menu>Licensing and Add-Ons>tab Store.
> I don't know if the trial versions allows this.

Going to the Active Captain add-on page and clicking the "Get this
Add-on for Free" button generates an error, "Cannot log in to the
Coastal Explorer Network." It wants an authentication on CE's own
servers before it will let you add the AC module. I was hoping there is
a way around this so I can evaluate the functionality and integration
before purchase.

>
>>
>> ...
> The input ports for CE have to be serial. For modern computers
> without serial ports, a serial to USB converter is needed.
> The baud rate has to be set for each attached device. On my boat each
> device is either a sender or a receiver, and each is attached to its
> own serial port on a serial to USB converter hub (4 serial ports to
> one USB port). The COM ports in the computer are linked to each serial
> port(device).

Again I should clarify my question: Yes, I have serial ports, generated
by a USB converter (and don't get me started on what it took to get that
working in Windows 8.1, which I did solely on the chance we might want
to install CE some day:
http://ourodyssey.blogspot.com/2015/06/windows-hate-point-won.html). On
my boat, each device is also configured either as a sender or receiver,
even though some can do both (e.g. autopilot, FA100, Garmin GPS). I have
four serial ports and five attached devices, so the "talkers" share
bidirectional ports with the "listeners" (this is a perfectly allowable
configuration under NMEA-0183 and is supposed to be supported by devices
that claim compliance). CE should not be assuming that the device it
hears on any given serial port is the same device listening on that port
-- I want to tell it explicitly what is where. The ports are stable and
work fine with my existing software.

>
> The Rose Point support pages and the CE Forum have tech info on a lot
> of this. See Main Menu>Help and Product Support>scroll down.

I went there, to the "configuring electronics" page. I found nothing
about this issue. Worse, the information there seems woefully out of
date and not maintained; for example, the "Working with USB" page was
written in 2006; it talks about updating drivers and other issues one
might have with *Vista* (really?), but makes no mention whatsoever of
the hell you will face if you need to get an older USB adapter working
on Windows 8 or 10 (click through my blog link above for a taste). The
answer may well be in the support forums, but so far I have not found it
-- there are over 600 posts on "splitting" serial ports alone.

This software seems wildly popular in the cruising community. Am I the
only one coming up against these limitations? Does no one else leave
their chart plotter running at anchor? Or are AIS receivers less common
than I'm thinking?

-Sean

L H via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 13, 2016, 2:37:59 PM2/13/16
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On 2/13/16 7:42 AM, Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
> Thanks Larry, for the detailed response. Please see below.
>
> On 02/13/2016 02:07 AM, L H wrote:
> <Stuff snipped>
Sean,

Your CE setup is more complicated than mine, and your problems go beyond
my level of expertise.

I don't leave CE running at anchor, and I only have one AIS input from a
Standard Horizon radio. If you don't want to hear AIS proximity alerts
at anchor, you might have to disconnect the AIS inputs from the
computer. I am guessing that you want your Class A AIS unit 'on' all the
time.

To get answers, you will probably have to call customer support at Rose
Point or possibly post your questions on the Rose Point forum.

In the end CE may not work for your requirements.

Good luck,

Larry H

Pete Balkus via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 14, 2016, 8:21:07 AM2/14/16
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RE: CE - I have an AIS receiver that is separate from my transmitter.

Consequently, my own vessel shows up as a target following me closely.

Can I tell CE to ignore my own vessel?



Sean,



I like CE and have used it for many years now.



However I have the same situation/issue as you have encountered and reported
above using a separate receiver on our vessel.



The issue we have encountered is that since the Class-B AIS
Transponder transmits data every 30 seconds

we now have a Ghost Ship of ourselves appear on the Coastal Explorer
display due to the difference between

our actual real-time position and the AIS position being received
which can be up to 30 seconds old.



In 2013 I sent in a request to CE asking if they could provide an option to
allow the user to enter a single vessel to ignore.



Excerpt: Is there any way Coastal Explorer's AIS Collision alert
can be configured to

Ignore a Vessel by the Name of XXX (ourselves) to
eliminate this false alarm?



Any chance you could add such a feature in a
maintenance update?



Unfortunately my request was declined.



As a result to work around this situation I run with my PC audio muted to
avoid the repeated "Collision alerts" msgs that my own vessel is about to
collide with me.



Perhaps if enough folks email the CE team they will consider this case and
add the capability to ignore a single vessel.



Pete



Braveheart

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Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 21, 2016, 11:02:43 AM2/21/16
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On 02/13/2016 01:10 AM, Sean Welsh wrote:
> Swayed, finally, by a boat show discount on the license, I find myself
> three days into a ten-day free trial of Coastal Explorer. (In fairness,
> I have not left the dock, having banged my knee up just as I started.)

Well, my trial ended yesterday, after just a single day under way, on a
very short run from Riviera Beach to West Palm Beach. Since lots of
people responded to my original query, both here and in direct email
(and much thanks, everyone who did so), I thought I would come back and
post an update:

> ...
> 1. There seems to be no way to turn off audible CPA alarms.

This has been confirmed by Rose Point. Several people have requested
this and it is in the hopper for possible future development, but is
uncommitted. I think that's more about a liability concern than coding
labor. Honestly, if they come out and tell me this will never happen,
then it's a show-stopper for us. We might still buy CE for offshore use,
but we'd stick with PolarView for inland US waters so we can have
audible anchor, depth, and other alarms while maintaining CPA alarms as
visual-only, with our own chosen CPA and TCPA parameters.

> ...
>
> 2. I have an AIS receiver that is separate from my transmitter.
> ...my own vessel shows up as a target ... How can I tell CE to ignore my
> own vessel?

This has also been confirmed as an issue by Rose Point. In this case
they tell me that it has been submitted to development and the
capability will be available in a future release (no date specified). If
they really plan to implement this, then I can live with it until then
by disconnecting the separate receiver under way.

>
> 3. I'd like to explore the Active Captain integration, which is a
> requisite for any charplotting SW we use. But there does not seem to be
> a way to do that in the trial version.

Rose Point tried to give me some mumbo-jumbo about AC not allowing this,
but I pointed out that AC is available in other vendors' trial versions
and even in free software, so long as the user has AC credentials. In
any case, not being able to test this was more of an annoyance than
anything else, but it was driven home as we approached Flagler Bridge
and I wanted to quickly check the most recent comments; we had to pull
them up on a different computer. It won't do me any good, but perhaps my
raising the issue will get this capability released for future
try-before-buy customers.

> ...
>
> 4. I have at least one COM port that takes input from one device but
> sends output to a different one

This turned out to be a non-issue under way.

I regret now having started my trial just as I injured myself, because I
really did not get enough real-world testing under way. I never did
figure out how to set an anchor alarm (I understand the Boundary Circle
feature is the way to do so). And as I came into our anchorage, I found
the track detail insufficient and I had to switch back to PolarView to
finish anchoring; I'm sure there's a way to increase granularity of the
track but it was not obvious when I needed it.

So where this all has left us is we opted to simply let the trial
expire. I have a discount code ($289) good until the end of March, and
it's possible that between now and then we'll decide to take the plunge,
particularly if Rose Point commits to fixing both of our issues in a
timely way (muting CPA alarms and locking out own-vessel AIS returns).

If anyone on the list is interested in taking over our discount code
(it's single-use, sorry, so I can only give it to one person), please
let me know, and if we decide before the end of March not to buy, I will
pass it along.

-Sean
m/y Vector
lying Palm Beach, FL

joe via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 21, 2016, 1:39:51 PM2/21/16
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I'm not sure what you are referring to with regard to Active Captain integration. I run Coastal Explorer and it displays all the AC markers, reviews and information normally expected. I also have it update whenever I want from within CE. Perhaps there is some other AC feature I am unaware of. However the markers are displayed once downloaded and display POIs selected from the CE menu.

Joe Pica
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Sean Welsh via Trawlers-and-Trawlering

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Feb 21, 2016, 8:36:21 PM2/21/16
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On 02/21/2016 01:38 PM, josep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm not sure what you are referring to with regard to Active Captain integration. I run Coastal Explorer and it displays all the AC markers, reviews and information normally expected. I also have it update whenever I want from within CE. Perhaps there is some other AC feature I am unaware of. However the markers are displayed once downloaded and display POIs selected from the CE menu.
What my original post said, repeated in my follow-up, is that Active
Captain is unavailable in the *trial* version. So people wanting to test
this feature before shelling out ~$300 for the program license can not
do so.

-Sean
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