Windshield & Slide!

[Jility]

Does anyone know of a good RV repair place in the San Diego area? Our
windshield popped out this morning and one of our slide will go in all
the way('03 Select).
It is always something!
Helen

[Patrick Conley]

RV Pro in San Diego  Jorge and he will come to your coach.

Wades Mobile RV service.

 

Both are on the WEB and I have used them both.  I live in San Diego and I recommend RV Pro.

3821 Coral Shores Ct
San Diego, CA 92173
(619) 428-5822

If they can not do it, I recommend

 

Mike Eidmoes
9398 Bone Ave., El Cajon, CA   92021
(619) 561-3531

[Helen King]

Any idea which is better for the windshield fix?

 

Helen & The Horrible Hooligans

www.youtube.com/user/helenmel

www.recipetowin.com  

www.jility.com  

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[Patrick Conley]

I would recommend Mike Eidmoes for that.  They are a very busy shop but I have used them often for bigger repair items and in the past for warrenty work.

[Helen King]

You did not say which shop that is.

 

Helen

<br

[Patrick Conley]

Mike Eidmoes
9398 Bone Ave., El Cajon, CA   92021
(619) 561-3531

 

Sorry about that.

--
Patrick S. Conley
There are two ways of exerting one's strength: one is pushing down,
the other is pulling up.  

[Linda Critchlow]

Helen:  I had the x bracing done at Supreme RV in Indiana and I really don't see what good it does.  I have been sitting at our lot for 3 months and the window popped out again.  What on earth would cause that?  My storage doors on the passenger side are also off and will not close tight.  Letme know who you found in San Diego as we go there often too.  There seems to always be something wrong with these Travel Supreme's, sorry I ever purchased one and it doesn't help to have them out of business.  I had an Alfa before and thought they were bad!!!!

--
Have a wonderful day

Linda Critchlow
MCC   #174
lkcri...@gmail.com

[Busskipper]

Linda,

Let me so bold as to say this might have something to do with
“operator error”,
Is the Coach plumb and level? Has a corner or two settled causing the
framing to flex or the coach to become out of level? On one occasion,
on one of my many personal visits to the factory, I meet a couple that
had had all these issues and more. The problem turned out to be the
leveling system being so out of level that he had cracked his granite,
lost his windshield numerous times, had floor cracks, his slide out
would bind up going out or coming in, he found/learned take some time
with a carpenters level to be sure your coach is level in every way.
And most of his issues disappeared.

No matter how much you brace and caulk your Coach if it becomes
unleveled and the frame causes it to bind and stress the components,
things will give. (even with the cross bracing – which I have and it
has made the Coach so much more stable)

If I’m wrong, sorry, but after I learned to check and keep my system
from being stressed, to keep it level and to use a very simple system
to check (if the bathroom door does not sit still, in every position,
then the coach has become out of level) we use it a few times a day,
so it is an easy check. Once I learned to keep the Coach level most of
my issues, that were level/flex based disappeared.

Hope this is some help,

Bill


On Dec 31 2008, 9:06 pm, "Linda Critchlow" <lkcritch...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Helen:  I had the x bracing done at Supreme RV in Indiana and I really don't
> see what good it does.  I have been sitting at our lot for 3 months and the
> window popped out again.  What on earth would cause that?  My storage doors
> on the passenger side are also off and will not close tight.  Letme know who
> you found in San Diego as we go there often too.  There seems to always be
> something wrong with these Travel Supreme's, sorry I ever purchased one and
> it doesn't help to have them out of business.  I had an Alfa before and
> thought they were bad!!!!

> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Patrick Conley <ps.con...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> >  Mike Eidmoes
> > 9398 Bone Ave., El Cajon, CA   92021
> > (619) 561-3531
>
> > Sorry about that.
>
> >   On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Helen King <jil...@tds.net> wrote:
>
> >>  You did not say which shop that is.
>
> >> Helen
>

> >> *From:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com[mailto:
> >> travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of
> >> *Patrick Conley
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:58 AM
>
> >> *To:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: Windshield & Slide!

>
> >> I would recommend Mike Eidmoes for that.  They are a very busy shop but I
> >> have used them often for bigger repair items and in the past for warrenty
> >> work.
>
> >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Helen King <jil...@tds.net> wrote:
>
> >> Any idea which is better for the windshield fix?
>
> >> Helen & The Horrible Hooligans
>
> >>www.youtube.com/user/helenmel
>
> >>www.recipetowin.com
>
> >>www.jility.com
>

> >> *From:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com[mailto:
> >> travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of
> >> *Patrick Conley
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:34 AM
> >> *To:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: Windshield & Slide!

> lkcritch...@gmail.com

[Tow...@aol.com]

Bill,

 

That is interesting.  I would assume that the most stress would come from traveling which would make this a structural deficiency.  What you are saying is the levels cause stress.  Now that I think about it, there is the elimination of "flex" between the road and the chassis/house when the levels touch down.  Such a simple issue to miss and to be honest, I rarely miss such things.  THANKS!  Now to run the levelers to see if they "push" too much at any "off even" corner.

 

Richard Townsend
TOWNSEND BLDG & FINANCE
GREEN ACRES Camp Ground
"LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"
Year-round Full Hookups
800 664-1679 Fax: 603 664-6043
43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825

 

[turbo]

Bill Linda
You guys are right on, my first TS broke windshield parked for 3 days
and one jack solenoid
released pressure.My side hinged door would not even close as the flex
was that bad... AND once it flexed like that it will get worse and
worse as the frame will go back to its bad flex
position a lot easier after it has been stressed.. I did 3 coaches in
my truck shop 38' an 45' select and a limited..

I probably over did the 38' as that one was my first one and it was
the one that had the solenoid issue, we did some X bracing and tied
into frame to more or less make a box frame that enhanced
strengthened the whole coach.. Coach drove A LOT better and has had
20,000 miles put on it by the friend I sold it to with out an
issue..The cabinets used to creak and groan as I leveled coach, not
any more only thing we hear is the hydrolics..
Also did a frame deflection test before and after X bracing< before
was up to 3/4 inch now 1/10 of inch...If this was done at a repair
shop would probably cost me a couple grand as we did a lot of extra
testing and the first one takes a lot longer to do..
the next 2 if i was to charge it out would have been in the $1,000
plus range,,Cheaper is NOT better...

The other coaches I did not do as quite as extensive, but i figured
that since they did not get over flexed before the fix, that was all
that was necessary..

I do check my coach for level daily and my friends have been doing the
same..just to be sure..

MOI
TS is still the BEST Value in the market but we need to keep our good
communication going>>>


Loren Bosma!!

Have great new year..in your TS>>

On Jan 1, 8:09 am, Town...@aol.com wrote:
> Bill,
>
> That is interesting.  I would assume that the most stress  would come from
> traveling which would make this a structural deficiency.   What you are saying
> is the levels cause stress.  Now that I think about it,  there is the
> elimination of "flex" between the road and the chassis/house when  the levels touch
> down.  Such a simple issue to miss and to be honest, I  rarely miss such things.  
> THANKS!  Now to run the levelers to see if  they "push" too much at any "off
> even" corner.
>
> Richard Townsend
> TOWNSEND  BLDG & FINANCE
> GREEN ACRES Camp  Ground
> "LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"
>
> Year-round Full Hookups
> 800 664-1679 Fax: 603  664-6043
> 43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825  
>
> In a message dated 1/1/2009 8:56:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>

> **************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making
> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

[Tow...@aol.com]

Hey Loren,  How about directions to your shop!

 

Richard Townsend
TOWNSEND BLDG & FINANCE
GREEN ACRES Camp Ground
"LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"

Year-round Full Hookups
800 664-1679 Fax: 603 664-6043
43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825

 

[Linda Critchlow]

Bill:  Thanks for your input and yes there are times when it seems to be off about 1" of level at the front end.  I check the doors and go by that also as the bathroom door is level but the right front seems to dip?  I didn't realize that could cause so much stress on the windshield but after 2-3 days it drops that much.  I just can't believe that having a coach sitting still would create a front window to pop out.  And, what a pain to have to re level every couple of days.  I guess that is why I am so unhappy as that just seems rediculous - how can you drive these down California highways with all the bumps???  Linda Critchlow

[Tow...@aol.com]

Regret to have to agree.  Again, engineers and 2x4's sometimes need to come together.

 

Richard Townsend
TOWNSEND BLDG & FINANCE
GREEN ACRES Camp Ground
"LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"

Year-round Full Hookups
800 664-1679 Fax: 603 664-6043
43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825

 

[Morley Wright]

I feel the same

Sorry I bought a TS also

I guess it's the old analagy, if it's cheaper to buy, it's probably for a reason

Morley

[trau...@aol.com]

I know you did not compare TS to ALFA !!!   ALFA   thats a Joke   ALFA blows I would not trade my Select for a 5 Alfas

05 Select
J

-----Original Message-----
From: Morley Wright <morley...@gmail.com>
To: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: Windshield & Slide!

I feel the same

Sorry I bought a TS also

I guess it's the old analagy, if it's cheaper to buy, it's probably for a reason

Morley

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Linda Critchlow <lkcri...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bill:  Thanks for your input and yes there are times when it seems to be off about 1" of level at the front end.  I check the doors and go by that also as the bathroom door is level but the right front seems to dip?  I didn't realize that could cause so much stress on the windshield but after 2-3 days it drops that much.  I just can't believe that having a coach sitting still would create a front window to pop out.  And, what a pain to have to re lev el every couple of days.  I guess that is why I am so unhappy as that just seems rediculous - how can you drive these down California highways with all the bumps???  Linda Critchlow

> >> windshield popped out this morning20and one of our slide will go in all

> >> the way('03 Select).
> >> It is always something!
> >> Helen
>
> >> <br
>
> >> <br
>
> > --
> > Patrick S. Conley
> > There are two ways of exerting one's strength: one is pushing down,
> > the other is pulling up.
>
> --
> Have a wonderful day
>
> Linda Critchlow
> MCC   #174
> lkcritch...@gmail.com

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Alfa has blown

Duane Wallin
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From: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
To: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu Jan 01 18:27:12 2009

[Swagman]

Gawd! This thread sounds like a bunch of drunks at a cocktail party
(Sorry for the analogy, gang) But there is so much erroneous thinking
going on that one can't make any sense of it. First of all, ANY coach
will pop windshields, bind doors and open up separations if they are
not in a PLANAR position. This means the coach can be out of level as
long as the frame is in a plane. Thus, if one corner drops, it
torques or twists the frame out of that plane. The result is a misfit
windshield, maybe a cargo door that doesn't fit as before or a slide
that pops or binds when moving in/out.

My understanding is Spartan purposely designs their chassis with a bit
of "Flex" in them for purposes of handling. But since there were so
many issues with windshields, etc., it appears Spartan sanctioned this
beefing up of the frame by adding a series of trusses between the
frame rails and from frame to basement. After I had my trusses
installed, I immediately noticed a more rigid feel as I traversed over
uneven ground and even when rounding corners.

The easiest way to tell if you're in a plane is to check for levelness
at both the front and rear of the coach, since the front can be level
while the rear can be unlevel from side to side. Levelness from front
to back should not matter for this discussion, although livability may
be affected. If you have a leaking jack, you MUST attend to it
promptly or you will have these problems. And you don't drive over
unlevel ground, particularly at an angle as this will flex ANY frame,
possibly causing these issues to reappear.

To blame a coach mfr. for failure of an HWH or other mfr's. jack is
barking up the wrong tree as these jacks are used by a number of coach
builders. So blame them if you wish. Can TS screw up? Sure! I've
found several instances, but just like with your home, there are going
to be design and construction issues with anything. Just fix 'em and
go on enjoying your coach. As others have said, I can't think of any
other coach I would rather have than my TS.......except for, maybe
that Prevost!

On Jan 1, 7:55 pm, Duane Wallin <dwal...@coloradoequipment.net> wrote:
> Alfa has blown
>
> Duane Wallin
> Blackberry Mobile
>
> ________________________________
> From: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
> To: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thu Jan 01 18:27:12 2009
> Subject: Re: Windshield & Slide!
>
> I know you did not compare TS to ALFA !!!   ALFA   thats a Joke   ALFA blows I would not trade my Select for a 5 Alfas
>
> 05 Select
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morley Wright <morleywrig...@gmail.com>
> To: travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:42 pm
> Subject: Re: Windshield & Slide!
>
> I feel the same
> Sorry I bought a TS also
> I guess it's the old analagy, if it's cheaper to buy, it's probably for a reason
> Morley
>

> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Linda Critchlow <lkcritch...@gmail.com<mailto:lkcritch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Bill:  Thanks for your input and yes there are times when it seems to be off about 1" of level at the front end.  I check the doors and go by that also as the bathroom door is level but the right front seems to dip?  I didn't realize that could cause so much stress on the windshield but after 2-3 days it drops that much.  I just can't believe that having a coach sitting still would create a front window to pop out.  And, what a pain to have to re lev el every couple of days.  I guess that is why I am so unhappy as that just seems rediculous - how can you drive these down California highways with all the bumps???  Linda Critchlow
>

> On Dec 31 2008, 9:06 pm, "Linda Critchlow" <lkcritch...@gmail.com<mailto:lkcritch...@gmail.com>>

> wrote:
> > Helen:  I had the x bracing done at Supreme RV in Indiana and I really don't
> > see what good it does.  I have been sitting at our lot for 3 months and the
> > window popped out again.  What on earth would cause that?  My storage doors
> > on the passenger side are also off and will not close tight.  Letme know who
> > you found in San Diego as we go there often too.  There seems to always be
> > something wrong with these Travel Supreme's, sorry I ever purchased one and
> > it doesn't help to have them out of business.  I had an Alfa before and
> > thought they were bad!!!!

> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Patrick Conley <ps.con...@gmail.com<mailto:ps.con...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>
> > >  Mike Eidmoes
> > > 9398 Bone Ave., El Cajon, CA   92021
> > > (619) 561-3531
>
> > > Sorry about that.
>

> > >   On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Helen King <jil...@tds.net<mailto:jil...@tds.net>> wrote:
>
> > >>  You did not say which shop that is.
>
> > >> Helen
>

> > >> *From:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:

> > >> travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of
> > >> *Patrick Conley
> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:58 AM
>

> > >> *To:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>

> > >> *Subject:* Re: Windshield & Slide!
>
> > >> I would recommend Mike Eidmoes for that.  They are a very busy shop but I
> > >> have used them often for bigger repair items and in the past for warrenty
> > >> work.
>

> > >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Helen King <jil...@tds.net<mailto:jil...@tds.net>> wrote:
>
> > >> Any idea which is better for the windshield fix?
>
> > >> Helen & The Horrible Hooligans
>

> > >>www.youtube.com/user/helenmel<http://www.youtube.com/user/helenmel>
>
> > >>www.recipetowin.com<http://www.recipetowin.com/>
>
> > >>www.jility.com<http://www.jility.com/>
>
> > >> *From:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>[mailto:

> > >> travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of
> > >> *Patrick Conley
> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:34 AM

> > >> *To:* travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com<mailto:travel-supreme-motor...@googlegroups.com>

> > >> *Subject:* Re: Windshield & Slide!
>
> > >> RV Pro in San Diego  Jorge and he will come to your coach.
>
> > >> Wades Mobile RV service.
>
> > >> Both are on the WEB and I have used them both.  I live in San Diego and I
> > >> recommend RV Pro.
>
> > >> 3821 Coral Shores Ct
> > >> San Diego, CA 92173
> > >> (619) 428-5822
>
> > >> If they can not do it, I recommend
>
> > >> Mike Eidmoes
> > >> 9398 Bone Ave., El Cajon, CA   92021
> > >> (619) 561-3531
>

> > >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Jility <jil...@tds.net<mailto:jil...@tds.net>> wrote:
>
> > >> Does anyone know of a good RV repair place in the San Diego area? Our
> > >> windshield popped out this morning20and one of our slide will go in all
> > >> the way('03 Select).
> > >> It is always something!
> > >> Helen
>
> > >> <br
>
> > >> <br
>
> > > --
> > > Patrick S. Conley
> > > There are two ways of exerting one's strength: one is pushing down,
> > > the other is pulling up.
>
> > --
> > Have a wonderful day
>
> > Linda Critchlow
> > MCC   #174

> > lkcritch...@gmail.com<mailto:lkcritch...@gmail.com>
>
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[Busskipper]

Swagman,
Well put – what I was trying to say and what you have said are the
issue, my term of “Operator Error” meaning that if the operator of the
system is not knowledgeable of the issues that can be created by
allowing the Coach to get torqued into a stressed position bad things
happen. These Coaches are Large Complicated Boxes they need to be
constantly tuned to perform correctly because they are driven down the
roads and parked on many different types of locations, it is amazing
that they are able to perform at all, much less almost flawlessly.

My best friend has one of those highly valued Prevost Coaches – had it
custom built – at twice the cost of a select, and I would not trade my
TS for it. Rides nice for sure, but it has all the issues of any
Coach, plus and has to be taken to Tennessee to be serviced. One more
vote for the TS brand and all they tried to do – we love the custom
designed Coach we have – after learning more about the Coach and the
limitations of the many systems – we have enjoyed the time and travels
in it, and like many others, have not seen, been in, or traveled with
a coach I would rather have.

So the advice is, learn about it, baby it, and enjoy it – don’t think
it will do these things on it’s own – at least that’s MHO,

Bill

[Tow...@aol.com]

And without problems, we would have nothing to do, let alone complain about (thought a "funny" would be appropriate here).

 

Super modifying is FUN and that is what we do.  No one has all the answers but engineers have in fact prematurely released more products into the RV industry than any (compare it to NASA - ha!)  That jab being is that we do the best that we can and to settle for less is nothing other than a tolerance line.  I personally envy those who can tolerate most anything.  Sadly however, there are those who have invested their lives in a motor home and life itself can't be taken so funny.  This is why we are here.

 

Regards,

 

Richard Townsend
TOWNSEND BLDG & FINANCE
GREEN ACRES Camp Ground
"LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"

Year-round Full Hookups
800 664-1679 Fax: 603 664-6043
43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825

 

[Richard]

Finally diddo's to you Swagman, I can't agree more. Insanity breeds
insanity....Thank you for your ounce of sanity in this thread.

Richard

On Jan 3, 1:58 am, Swagman <slabm...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Patrick Conley]

Brother, you have said it all!  I was just thinking that all these problems, although agrevating are no worse than any problem that we have had with our stick house in the past.  We live in our TS full time and have for 4 years and yes we have had issues with cargo doors, level and water leaks but in the many years before we became fulltimers and lived in a stick house we had problems with settling of the house, water leaks and on and on.  As I was told when I first bought my first Caoch, "remember that it is like having an earthquake each time you drive your house down the road".

 

I agree with you, just fix the problems and enjoy one of the best coach's made in the price range.  Same problems occur with all other brands of Motor Homes, it is just easier to rag on TS since they went out of business.

Pat

[Linda Critchlow]

I agree with you gentlemen that you have to learn every coach.  This is our 4th coach and I am finding this coach is beautiful with great accessories and all I wanted in a coach.  But, the learning curve on this is much more than an average person can handle.  It does take a man that wants to putter and know this coach from top to bottom.  Being a woman that has to do all the maintenance and driving, I am lucky to have gentlemen friends that help to take care of it.  But when it comes to wondering why the window pops out - its beyond normal.  I agree that many high end coaches have lots of problems, Country Coach has issues with its windows also and I wonder if you get up into the high end coaches that there are many more problems.  I don't think I am able to figure out all the problems with this TS Select.  Due to my lack of intelligence on the coach it is costing us a fortune to have all these issues fixed then find out that the person that fixes them didn't do a good job and end up with the same problems.

 

Supreme RV charged me over $3500.00 to have the x-bracing done, fix the tail lights and several miner jobs that needed to be fixed.  My back sliding doors were fixed but they keep falling out of the rail which has now caused that mirror to break.  We have had to have a new toilet installed after they charged me for several hours of working on it, had to have refrigerator fixed, the dishwasher broke on the side rail, my doors on the side have been fixed twice and the worst is the stupid sewer system the prior owner put on it which 90% of the time doesn't work when you want to travel.  (works fine as long as we stay in one place).    So, as you can imagine, even with extended warranty that I purchased, I feel like this is a money pit!!!!

 

I would love to meet more of the TS owners.  We are at Motorcoach CC in Indio so if anyone comes out here, be sure to stop by lot 174.  Linda Critchlow

[Patrick Conley]

Sorry Linda,

I did not mean that you should just learn to live with the problems.  I understand that when you pay a lot of money for something you expect it to be somewhat worry free for the most part.  I have been lucky in that I have not had any windshield problems but then I do not have the 45 foot Coach either.  Don't know if that means anything or not.  I have had many problems with the water heater and the furnace and it continues to be a problem.  Also with the cargo doors not being aligned now as they were when I first got the coach.  The learning curve is very steep and much more so the bigger and nicer the coach as I can testify to but as you said, being a woman that does all the maintenance and driving, well that has to be harder still.  I am a Marine Mechanic by trade and it is a constant challenge to me.  Again, I apologize for sounding a little arrogant in my post.

Good luck with your coach,

 

Patrick 

[Tow...@aol.com]

I saw that apology coming, from behind the curtain.

 

My brother has a Newell (bus) and they do not have these problems.  At an extra 25,000 pounds and only 5 MPG, the money goes a different way.  I know this doesn't make it better but sometimes we can survive better to lie to ourselves (ignorance is bliss).  I wish I could.  In the mean while, we will continue to super modify these rigs.

 

I purchased a 03 40 TS triple slide to replace my 96 Holiday Rambler Navigator single slide after a refrigerator fire.  Now with both rigs super modified, I am offering the TS for 136 K and the Navigator for only 80K but sincerely hope to live in the Navigator for countless reasons. 

 

Sadly, the Navigator is on the same chasis but without Independent Front end suspension and has a smaller engine.  It does not have any of the problems listed over the past few weeks.  It has been full time home to me for 8 years and that TS is the only layout that did "it" for me since. 

 

There are many substantial items missed in the TS that are not overlooked in other places but providing people are aware of the upgrades aftermarket, they DO in fact get a good deal. 

 

As I see it, the only bad thing from all this is what is represented and expected.  It is not possible for many retired folks who sold everything for their coach to apply what it takes to make it right.  Very sad, very true.  The best thing is to present the facts and let people get this great product who can afford to make the upgrades and the end results is very appropriate.

 

Richard Townsend
TOWNSEND BLDG & FINANCE
GREEN ACRES Camp Ground
"LIFE STYLE NATURE RESORT"

Year-round Full Hookups
800 664-1679 Fax: 603 664-6043
43 Hall Road - Barrington, NH 03825

 

[Patrick Conley]

Very well said Richard.

 

Pat