Replacement of 34" analog JVC with 40" LCD
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Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 17, 2008, 9:28:51 AM11/17/08
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This is a very popular project with our customers. With the impending
digital conversion, everyone wants to be prepared. I haven't seen a
technology buzz like this since Y2K.
This project can be thought of in two separate parts.
1) The Entertainment Center
2) The Connections to the Entertainment Center
Each piece must be considered under multiple points. We will start
with the Entertainment center because that is a must for this project.
Here is a list of questions to ask yourself to determine the best
course of action.
1.) How do I want my TV mounted?
a.) Flat panel bracket
b.) Full motion arm
Each have their benefits. The flat panel bracket provides stability
and strength, while the full motion arm offers range of motion to
enchance the viewing area. There is no right or wrong answer here. It
is simply what works best for your situation. The one recommendation I
do have is upsize the weight capacity. I would always get a mount that
will support more than three times the weight of the TV. The load
ratings on TV mounts is based upon a home application (i.e. a static
environment not moving down the road).
2.) What is my budget for the changeout?
40" LCD TV's can range from under $1000 to well over $3000.
Either way, don't be stingy when you buy your mount. A good mount can
cost any where from $150 to $500. The best way to look at it is that
you are buying an insurance policy for your TV.
Next, ask yourself if you just want to install the TV or create
usable space within the rest of the cabinet? Just to rebuild the
cabinet to support the new TV will probably cost about $125 to $150 in
materials and take about six hours to complete the task. I recommend
creating a new back wall at the rear of the cabinet out of two pieces
of 3/4" plywood laminated together. This will give you a good sturdy
surface to mount your new TV to. I would build a similar wall in the
cabinet above to hide the cable drop if you are planning any
additional wiring runs for enhanced signal quality. If you have
additional storage in mind, then here are a few point to remember.
First, custom cabinet doors are anywhere from $100 to $200 per door
depending on size, profile and color. The interior cabinet create for
storage will require finishing, and this will drive the material cost
up between $100 and $300. It will also add 6 to 10 hours of labor.
3.) Are you going to use a single Satellite receiver or Multiple? If
you are going to use a single Satellite receiver, are you going to use
SD or HD? If HD, are you going to use Composite Video, Component
Video, or HDMI? If you are going to use Multiple Satellite receivers,
are you going to install active or passive multi-plex switches?
Yes, I know the connection part is a bit complex. I will do my best to
simplify it.
First things first, single vs. mutilple satellite receivers. Do you
want to be able to watch different channels on different TV's at the
same time? If the answer is yes then you want multiple receivers. Be
aware that there is a additional charge for each receiver by your
satellite provider. Using mutilple receivers is the technically easier
option for this installation. It simply requires you to split your
satellite feed appropriately and route it to each receiver. At that
point connection to the TV is quite simple.
If a single receiver is what you are looking for, then I will put
forth the best scenario for you to install. I would purchase a UF
remote for my Satellite Receiver. This is a must. It will allow you
the flexibility of operating your receiver from anywhere near the
coach without direct line of site. You will appreciate this option in
the bedroom and outside with the basement TV. The majority of coaches
will have their satellite feeds wired into the front driverside
overhead cabinet. This is the ideal place for your receiver. With a
single receiver, you must decide on you wiring media, and it basically
comes down to cost vs. performance.
1.) Coax - Not useable, won't carry an HD signal
2.) Composite Video (i.e. Yellow, Red and White RCA cables) supports
480i cheapest HD solution $.24 a foot
3.) Component Video(i.e. Red, Blue, Green and Red, White RCA cables)
will support 720i. Five cable run, very bulky, and more time consuming
to run.$.40 a foot
4.) HDMI (High Definition Mutlimedia Interface) supports 1080p most
expensive cable, but single cable application for audio and video make
it the easiest to run.$1.00 per foot
All the cabling options have their own splitters available to run all
the TV's in the coach from a single source. Splitter options cost
between $25 and $200, depending on capacity.
In reference to the cabling runs, it is preffered to keep the runs
shielded from the elements and power sources. It is recommended that
you channel all yours runs from the front overhead to the
entertainment center via the ceiling, preferably via the air duct.
This will physically protect the cabling and shield it from potential
EMI (Electro-Magnetic Interference).
The final thing to consider is the satellite dish. But that is a very
in depth topic that I will tackle on another posting.
Please post any questions or comments, and I will respond as soon as
possible.
Bishop Christensen
President
Supreme RV Service, LLC
www.supremervservice.com
(888) 720-0190 ext 3
bis...@supremervservice.com
digital conversion, everyone wants to be prepared. I haven't seen a
technology buzz like this since Y2K.
This project can be thought of in two separate parts.
1) The Entertainment Center
2) The Connections to the Entertainment Center
Each piece must be considered under multiple points. We will start
with the Entertainment center because that is a must for this project.
Here is a list of questions to ask yourself to determine the best
course of action.
1.) How do I want my TV mounted?
a.) Flat panel bracket
b.) Full motion arm
Each have their benefits. The flat panel bracket provides stability
and strength, while the full motion arm offers range of motion to
enchance the viewing area. There is no right or wrong answer here. It
is simply what works best for your situation. The one recommendation I
do have is upsize the weight capacity. I would always get a mount that
will support more than three times the weight of the TV. The load
ratings on TV mounts is based upon a home application (i.e. a static
environment not moving down the road).
2.) What is my budget for the changeout?
40" LCD TV's can range from under $1000 to well over $3000.
Either way, don't be stingy when you buy your mount. A good mount can
cost any where from $150 to $500. The best way to look at it is that
you are buying an insurance policy for your TV.
Next, ask yourself if you just want to install the TV or create
usable space within the rest of the cabinet? Just to rebuild the
cabinet to support the new TV will probably cost about $125 to $150 in
materials and take about six hours to complete the task. I recommend
creating a new back wall at the rear of the cabinet out of two pieces
of 3/4" plywood laminated together. This will give you a good sturdy
surface to mount your new TV to. I would build a similar wall in the
cabinet above to hide the cable drop if you are planning any
additional wiring runs for enhanced signal quality. If you have
additional storage in mind, then here are a few point to remember.
First, custom cabinet doors are anywhere from $100 to $200 per door
depending on size, profile and color. The interior cabinet create for
storage will require finishing, and this will drive the material cost
up between $100 and $300. It will also add 6 to 10 hours of labor.
3.) Are you going to use a single Satellite receiver or Multiple? If
you are going to use a single Satellite receiver, are you going to use
SD or HD? If HD, are you going to use Composite Video, Component
Video, or HDMI? If you are going to use Multiple Satellite receivers,
are you going to install active or passive multi-plex switches?
Yes, I know the connection part is a bit complex. I will do my best to
simplify it.
First things first, single vs. mutilple satellite receivers. Do you
want to be able to watch different channels on different TV's at the
same time? If the answer is yes then you want multiple receivers. Be
aware that there is a additional charge for each receiver by your
satellite provider. Using mutilple receivers is the technically easier
option for this installation. It simply requires you to split your
satellite feed appropriately and route it to each receiver. At that
point connection to the TV is quite simple.
If a single receiver is what you are looking for, then I will put
forth the best scenario for you to install. I would purchase a UF
remote for my Satellite Receiver. This is a must. It will allow you
the flexibility of operating your receiver from anywhere near the
coach without direct line of site. You will appreciate this option in
the bedroom and outside with the basement TV. The majority of coaches
will have their satellite feeds wired into the front driverside
overhead cabinet. This is the ideal place for your receiver. With a
single receiver, you must decide on you wiring media, and it basically
comes down to cost vs. performance.
1.) Coax - Not useable, won't carry an HD signal
2.) Composite Video (i.e. Yellow, Red and White RCA cables) supports
480i cheapest HD solution $.24 a foot
3.) Component Video(i.e. Red, Blue, Green and Red, White RCA cables)
will support 720i. Five cable run, very bulky, and more time consuming
to run.$.40 a foot
4.) HDMI (High Definition Mutlimedia Interface) supports 1080p most
expensive cable, but single cable application for audio and video make
it the easiest to run.$1.00 per foot
All the cabling options have their own splitters available to run all
the TV's in the coach from a single source. Splitter options cost
between $25 and $200, depending on capacity.
In reference to the cabling runs, it is preffered to keep the runs
shielded from the elements and power sources. It is recommended that
you channel all yours runs from the front overhead to the
entertainment center via the ceiling, preferably via the air duct.
This will physically protect the cabling and shield it from potential
EMI (Electro-Magnetic Interference).
The final thing to consider is the satellite dish. But that is a very
in depth topic that I will tackle on another posting.
Please post any questions or comments, and I will respond as soon as
possible.
Bishop Christensen
President
Supreme RV Service, LLC
www.supremervservice.com
(888) 720-0190 ext 3
bis...@supremervservice.com
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Nov 17, 2008, 4:27:49 PM11/17/08
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Thankyou
That was a great informative I greatly appreciate it,
I find that I do not watch TV outside Much ? I do want to up grade the TV in the bedroom on My 05 select
Wish The HD direct rec were smaller Wife going to lose a little space if we do the upgrade to HD flatscreen in the
JVC spot
What Ideas do you Have for That exchange
Jon
That was a great informative I greatly appreciate it,
I find that I do not watch TV outside Much ? I do want to up grade the TV in the bedroom on My 05 select
Wish The HD direct rec were smaller Wife going to lose a little space if we do the upgrade to HD flatscreen in the
JVC spot
What Ideas do you Have for That exchange
Jon
Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 18, 2008, 8:28:30 AM11/18/08
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Jon,
I do have an idea. If you install a flip up frame in the bed room you
can install the receiver behind the TV. And with the HD DirecTV
receiver, you can use the UF remote so that you don't need line of
site. The UF remote is an option for the HD 21-100 and a standard
option with the HD DVR. Then you not only don't lose space, but you
actually gain a little more space.
Bishop
> That was a great informative I greatly appreciate it,??
> I find that I do not watch TV outside Much ??? I do want to up grade the TV in the bedroom on My 05 select
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I do have an idea. If you install a flip up frame in the bed room you
can install the receiver behind the TV. And with the HD DirecTV
receiver, you can use the UF remote so that you don't need line of
site. The UF remote is an option for the HD 21-100 and a standard
option with the HD DVR. Then you not only don't lose space, but you
actually gain a little more space.
Bishop
> That was a great informative I greatly appreciate it,??
> I find that I do not watch TV outside Much ??? I do want to up grade the TV in the bedroom on My 05 select
> Wish The HD direct rec were smaller Wife going to lose a little space if we do the upgrade to HD flatscreen in the
> JVC spot
>
> What Ideas do you Have for That?? exchange
> JVC spot
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Jon Stensloff
Nov 19, 2008, 7:39:27 AM11/19/08
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When I get closer to getting up there
I will get a tv to fit in that place
Any suggestions was looking at the largest to fit sony or sharp aquas
Jon
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On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Bishop at Supreme RV Service <bis...@supremervservice.com
I will get a tv to fit in that place
Any suggestions was looking at the largest to fit sony or sharp aquas
Jon
Sent from my iPhone
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Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 19, 2008, 11:32:50 AM11/19/08
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We have install LG 37" LCDs. This allows up to mount the TV without
have to change the facing of the cabinet. This helps to maintain the
factory installation look.
On Nov 19, 7:39 am, Jon Stensloff <trauma...@aol.com> wrote:
> When I get closer to getting up there
> I will get a tv to fit in that place
> Any suggestions was looking at the largest to fit sony or sharp aquas
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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have to change the facing of the cabinet. This helps to maintain the
factory installation look.
On Nov 19, 7:39 am, Jon Stensloff <trauma...@aol.com> wrote:
> When I get closer to getting up there
> I will get a tv to fit in that place
> Any suggestions was looking at the largest to fit sony or sharp aquas
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
ics-john
Nov 19, 2008, 6:14:22 PM11/19/08
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I installed a 40" Sony Bravia LCD and was able to mount it without any
modification to the cabinetry. Fits in there like it was built in at
the factory. Also installed a Winegard HD dish, so now I have full HD
satellite reception via satellite. Since I have a 40DS04, my receiver
is above the driver seat. Bishop ran an HDMI cable from the front to
the TV so only one cable needed to be run for video and audio.
John
On Nov 19, 10:32 am, Bishop at Supreme RV Service
modification to the cabinetry. Fits in there like it was built in at
the factory. Also installed a Winegard HD dish, so now I have full HD
satellite reception via satellite. Since I have a 40DS04, my receiver
is above the driver seat. Bishop ran an HDMI cable from the front to
the TV so only one cable needed to be run for video and audio.
John
On Nov 19, 10:32 am, Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Al_M
Nov 20, 2008, 6:04:35 AM11/20/08
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A couple of Questions.
1. Which model LG?
2. Is the mount an off the shelf item or custom made?
Al
On Nov 19, 11:32 am, Bishop at Supreme RV Service
1. Which model LG?
2. Is the mount an off the shelf item or custom made?
Al
On Nov 19, 11:32 am, Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Al_M
Nov 20, 2008, 6:29:36 AM11/20/08
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John,
I would be interested in the details of how you built and installed
the wall / mount to support the 40" unit.
Al
I would be interested in the details of how you built and installed
the wall / mount to support the 40" unit.
Al
Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 20, 2008, 8:19:07 AM11/20/08
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Okay, let me see if a can cover this last run of questions. The Sides
of the Bravia are slimmer than the LG. The LG price point was under
$950. As for the Sony 40", the price point was above $1100. Both were
of comparible spec and the difference the price more than covered the
cost of the mount. We use a rigid two piece flat wall mount not custom
made but we have custom made mounts for other TV installs. It is lag
screwed in the back wall we have constructed out of 2 sheets of 3/4"
plywood and covered with decorative panel to match it to the extisting
wood.
The 37LG30 is the model that we've installed. I will look through our
pictures and find a completed project shot.
We did some custom work for another customer that resulted in the
removal of 2/3 of the front overhead cabinetry and ceiling mounted a
32" LG LCD. Turned out really clean.
of the Bravia are slimmer than the LG. The LG price point was under
$950. As for the Sony 40", the price point was above $1100. Both were
of comparible spec and the difference the price more than covered the
cost of the mount. We use a rigid two piece flat wall mount not custom
made but we have custom made mounts for other TV installs. It is lag
screwed in the back wall we have constructed out of 2 sheets of 3/4"
plywood and covered with decorative panel to match it to the extisting
wood.
The 37LG30 is the model that we've installed. I will look through our
pictures and find a completed project shot.
We did some custom work for another customer that resulted in the
removal of 2/3 of the front overhead cabinetry and ceiling mounted a
32" LG LCD. Turned out really clean.
ics-john
Nov 21, 2008, 5:28:48 AM11/21/08
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My 40DS04 came with a 37" JVC LCD panel TV, full 1080 HD. But, it had
a problem with the HDMI input, which I needed for a one cable run from
the front to the TV. Bishop did a great job installing the cable when
I was at his place last April.
I chose the 40" Sony Bravia because in side by side comparison it had
the best picture. Also, it has a slim cabinet with the speakers
underneath so it would fit in the space already in my coach. I took
out the old JVC 37" and its mount (the mount was custom made by TS for
this model TV) and put them in storage. I have them for sale cheap
(pickup in Dallas only). I paid $950 for the Sony, plus I got a $100
rebate from Sony.
I bought a standard wall mount rated at 125 lbs. I used lag bolts to
affix this to the cabinet wall, where the old TV was mounted. It is
screwed directly into two 2" X 4" studs back there. I could reach the
locking set screw (to keep the mount from vibrating loose) without any
problems. I have put on about 4,000 miles with no problems.
If you want pictures of the TV installed email me at john at laninga
dot com. Bishop, if you want any info on how this was done for your
records let me know.
John
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a problem with the HDMI input, which I needed for a one cable run from
the front to the TV. Bishop did a great job installing the cable when
I was at his place last April.
I chose the 40" Sony Bravia because in side by side comparison it had
the best picture. Also, it has a slim cabinet with the speakers
underneath so it would fit in the space already in my coach. I took
out the old JVC 37" and its mount (the mount was custom made by TS for
this model TV) and put them in storage. I have them for sale cheap
(pickup in Dallas only). I paid $950 for the Sony, plus I got a $100
rebate from Sony.
I bought a standard wall mount rated at 125 lbs. I used lag bolts to
affix this to the cabinet wall, where the old TV was mounted. It is
screwed directly into two 2" X 4" studs back there. I could reach the
locking set screw (to keep the mount from vibrating loose) without any
problems. I have put on about 4,000 miles with no problems.
If you want pictures of the TV installed email me at john at laninga
dot com. Bishop, if you want any info on how this was done for your
records let me know.
John
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Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 21, 2008, 8:07:24 AM11/21/08
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John,
Forgive me for not remembering, but your old JVC, was it an LCD or
Tube TV?
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ics-john
Nov 22, 2008, 10:29:13 AM11/22/08
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Bishop, the old TV was a JVC 37" LCD panel with 1080 HD capabilities.
If you recall, I had trouble with the picture after you installed the
HDMI cable. At first, I thought it was the receiver, but it was with
the HDMI input on the TV. That is why I replaced it; I guess I could
have gone composite but then I'd lose the great HD picture.
John
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If you recall, I had trouble with the picture after you installed the
HDMI cable. At first, I thought it was the receiver, but it was with
the HDMI input on the TV. That is why I replaced it; I guess I could
have gone composite but then I'd lose the great HD picture.
John
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Brian Tircuit
Nov 22, 2008, 10:45:18 AM11/22/08
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You know... I am having the same HDMI connection problem with my JVC in the main cabinet. I changed the HDMI cable and different sources, only to have the same problem.
I guess it's time for a new display.
Brian
Bishop at Supreme RV Service
Nov 22, 2008, 11:25:52 AM11/22/08
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Jon,
I apologize for the misunderstanding. The process that we were
speaking of was applicable to the motor homes with the analog tube
TV's usually 05 and earlier. With the 06's and up the swap out it quit
straight forward.
Bishop
I apologize for the misunderstanding. The process that we were
speaking of was applicable to the motor homes with the analog tube
TV's usually 05 and earlier. With the 06's and up the swap out it quit
straight forward.
Bishop
Al_M
Nov 23, 2008, 9:22:47 AM11/23/08
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John,
What make / model mounting bracket did you use?
I have a 40" LCD that has overall measurements of 36.7W x 23.5H x
4.6D. The current opening, where the 32" JVC CRT type TV is, measures
34.5W x 24 8H. The interior of the cabinet is about 40 1/4W and 28
1/4H giving plenty of room inside for mounting the LCD and the opening
is good size, overlaping the screen about 1/4 inch on each side
without cabinet rework.
The thing that I am struggling with is how to access the locking
screws or brackets without more space under the TV. So far, all that
I have been able to come up with, without redoing the vertical
opening, is to build a "hold down bracket" on the top piece of trim
and not using a lower bracket locking mechanism.
How did you deal with this to get access to the locking screws?
Al
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What make / model mounting bracket did you use?
I have a 40" LCD that has overall measurements of 36.7W x 23.5H x
4.6D. The current opening, where the 32" JVC CRT type TV is, measures
34.5W x 24 8H. The interior of the cabinet is about 40 1/4W and 28
1/4H giving plenty of room inside for mounting the LCD and the opening
is good size, overlaping the screen about 1/4 inch on each side
without cabinet rework.
The thing that I am struggling with is how to access the locking
screws or brackets without more space under the TV. So far, all that
I have been able to come up with, without redoing the vertical
opening, is to build a "hold down bracket" on the top piece of trim
and not using a lower bracket locking mechanism.
How did you deal with this to get access to the locking screws?
Al
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ics-john
Nov 23, 2008, 12:17:01 PM11/23/08
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I can reach the locking screw from the front bottom, but it is a tight
fit. I'll get dimensions and sme pictures later and post them for
you. Maybe that will help.
John
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fit. I'll get dimensions and sme pictures later and post them for
you. Maybe that will help.
John
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