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Shane Hughes
May 5, 2010, 11:37:39 AM5/5/10
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might be worth a thought for those who vote;
"The poll of 141 Tory candidates in winnable seats found that
"reducing Britain's carbon footprint" was rated the lowest of 19
possible priorities for a Cameron government."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/will-climate-change-be-the-tories-new-europe-1871970.html
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"The poll of 141 Tory candidates in winnable seats found that
"reducing Britain's carbon footprint" was rated the lowest of 19
possible priorities for a Cameron government."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/will-climate-change-be-the-tories-new-europe-1871970.html
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RICHARD GILLARD
May 5, 2010, 12:00:25 PM5/5/10
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| The more I think about it, the more I feel I shall be voting Liberal Democrat in this election. The e-mail below gives yet one more reason not to vote Tory. As for Labour, they keep telling us how the long to do all the wonderful things they have totally failed to do for the whole of their last 13 years in power. --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Shane Hughes <shane...@lycos.com> wrote: |
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Ben F
May 5, 2010, 12:16:40 PM5/5/10
to Shane Hughes, Transition Bedford
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Shane Hughes wrote:
> might be worth a thought for those who vote;
> "The poll of 141 Tory candidates in winnable seats found that
> "reducing Britain's carbon footprint" was rated the lowest of 19
> possible priorities for a Cameron government."
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> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/will-climate-change-be-the-tories-new-europe-1871970.html
So it becomes clear that in practical terms, the Tory's have no
> might be worth a thought for those who vote;
> "The poll of 141 Tory candidates in winnable seats found that
> "reducing Britain's carbon footprint" was rated the lowest of 19
> possible priorities for a Cameron government."
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/will-climate-change-be-the-tories-new-europe-1871970.html
commitment. Another way of looking at it is at http://election.foe.co.uk/
No party has more candidates signed up to the FoE's pledges than the Green
Party. Over 85% of Green Party candidates have signed up. Only 34% of
the LibDem candidates have. Less than 18% of Labour candidates, and less
than 1% of Tory candidates. Indeed, I am the only candidate to sign up to
their pledge in Bedford constituency.
Can I, therefore, respectfully point out to you that if you want to send a
clear message that climate change and the need to transition to a
sustainable economy and society is at the top of your political agenda,
there is no better way than by voting Green. Whatever my opponents say to
you as individuals, if elected their votes in parliament would support a
Government that will pursue (at least some) policies that are inconsistent
with effective action to combat climate change and to transition to a
sustainable society (if you would like more information on this, please
let me know, will try to find time to respond, but time is very short).
Beyond that, those who interpret election results are incomparably less
likely to interpret a vote for those parties as being motivated by concern
about climate change than they are to interpret a vote for the Green Party
in that way.
As a candidate at this election, I expect to be judged both as an
individual and as a member of a political party. I am confident that you
will see that support for the Green Party clearly is the most effective
way to promote action on climate change and to transition smoothly and
fairly to a sustainable economy and society. You can find more
information about my campaign at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ben4Bedford/109924539028262 and the Green
Party at http://www.onlygreen.org.uk/
I would very much appreciate it, if those of you who do decide to support
me as a candidate, and the Green Party, could let me know.
Many thanks,
Ben Foley,
Green Party Candidate
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on behalf of Ben Foley 70 Spenser Road, Bedford.
RICHARD GILLARD
May 5, 2010, 1:05:55 PM5/5/10
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Dear Ben
I will probably be sticking with a Lib/Dem vote this time, because I passionately want to see both the Labour and the Tory Party removed from office and removed from being the main opposition party when not in office. That said, I wish you well.
I hope you gain a very good result in tomorrow's election.
Best Wishes
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shane hughes
May 5, 2010, 4:07:44 PM5/5/10
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| Franny Armstrong has an ever practical take on the tactical vote; "if we were to vote simply on emission reduction targets - which would be logical, as reducing emissions is the key thing we need to do - it would be a no-brainer. The Greens are going for 90% by 2030, compared to 40% by 2030 for the Lib Dems, 34% by 2020 for Labour and we don't know about the Tories as they didn't think it worth including in their manifesto. But last Friday, when I was arguing with Ed Miliband around the country in our "Climate Roadshow" (see video below), we met the former Labour MP for Milton Keynes, Brian White. Brian was an MP from 1992 to 2005, when he did loads of green things like kickstarting the Sustainable Energy Act 2003, setting various sustainable energy targets and finding £60m for renewab! le energy. Partly as a result of his work, green issues became more widely understood locally, and then in the 2005 election, 1,100 people voted Green, split the vote and the Tories nabbed his seat. Which meant that the net effect of voting Green was to get rid of one of the greenest MPs. There are six similar seats (Battersea, Brighton Kemptown, Calder Valley, Colne Valley, Hove and Stroud) where the Green vote is large enough to give a Labour seat to the Tories and at least three (including Carshalton and Wallington, Dorset West and Torridge and West Devon) where it would either give a Lib Dem seat to the Tories or prevent the Lib Dems from taking one from them. So I urge everyone who understands the precipice on which we all stand to be highly tactical with their vote: -> If you live in a hope-in-hell constituency, vote Green. The impact of the first one or two Green MPs in to the House of Commons would be massive, though there's only f! our seats with a half-decent chance: Caroline Lucas in Brighton Pavili on (now the bookies' favourite), Tony Juniper in Cambridge, Adrian Ramsay in Norwich South and Darren Johnson in Lewisham Deptford. -> If you're in a Labour-Tory marginal, steel your environmentalist's heart and vote Labour rather than Green -> If you're in a Lib Dem-Tory marginal, vote Lib Dem rather than Green -> If you're in a Labour-Lib Dem marginal, vote for Labour, with an eye on helping stop Clegg siding with the Tories if there's a hung parliament. (Clegg said last week - whilst visiting a poppy factory, charmingly - that he'd be happy to work with the Tories as long as they concurred on four policies - fairer taxes, a shake-up of the education system and economic and political reform. Nothing else important, Nick?) -> If you're in a safe seat for any of the three main parties - as I am in Holborn & St Pancras - vote Green to add one more to the Greens' total and strengthen the case for proportional representation next tim! e." ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- |
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Ben F
May 5, 2010, 5:40:13 PM5/5/10
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The trouble with this is that it is all premised on a falshood. If every
single Green Party voter in MK North East had voted Labour, Brian White
would still have lost. He lost by more than 1,600 votes, whereas 1,090
voted Green.
And if people do it election after election, then the Green Party never
makes progress, except in seats that are so safe that it will never win
them. It is advocating political sclerosis.
And of course here in Bedford, both Labour and LibDems claim they are best
placed to beat the Tory, and there there is no real, reliable objective
evidence to chose between them. Attempting a tactical vote here is
guesswork.
Ben
On Wed, 5 May 2010, shane hughes wrote:
> Franny Armstrong has an ever practical take on the tactical vote;
>
> "if we were to vote simply on emission reduction targets - which would
> be logical, as reducing emissions is the key thing we need to do - it
> would be a no-brainer. The Greens are going for 90% by 2030, compared to
> 40% by 2030 for the Lib Dems, 34% by 2020 for Labour and we don't know
> about the Tories as they didn't think it worth including in their
> manifesto. But last Friday, when I was arguing with Ed Miliband around
> the country in our "Climate Roadshow" (see video below), we met the
> former Labour MP for Milton Keynes, Brian White. Brian was an MP from
> 1992 to 2005, when he did loads of green things like kickstarting the
> Sustainable Energy Act 2003, setting various sustainable energy targets
> and finding £60m for renewable energy. Partly as a result of his work,
> Caroline Lucas in Brighton Pavilion (now the bookies' favourite), Tony
single Green Party voter in MK North East had voted Labour, Brian White
would still have lost. He lost by more than 1,600 votes, whereas 1,090
voted Green.
And if people do it election after election, then the Green Party never
makes progress, except in seats that are so safe that it will never win
them. It is advocating political sclerosis.
And of course here in Bedford, both Labour and LibDems claim they are best
placed to beat the Tory, and there there is no real, reliable objective
evidence to chose between them. Attempting a tactical vote here is
guesswork.
Ben
On Wed, 5 May 2010, shane hughes wrote:
> Franny Armstrong has an ever practical take on the tactical vote;
>
> "if we were to vote simply on emission reduction targets - which would
> be logical, as reducing emissions is the key thing we need to do - it
> would be a no-brainer. The Greens are going for 90% by 2030, compared to
> 40% by 2030 for the Lib Dems, 34% by 2020 for Labour and we don't know
> about the Tories as they didn't think it worth including in their
> manifesto. But last Friday, when I was arguing with Ed Miliband around
> the country in our "Climate Roadshow" (see video below), we met the
> former Labour MP for Milton Keynes, Brian White. Brian was an MP from
> 1992 to 2005, when he did loads of green things like kickstarting the
> Sustainable Energy Act 2003, setting various sustainable energy targets
> green issues became more widely understood locally, and then in the 2005
> election, 1,100 people voted Green, split the vote and the Tories nabbed
> his seat. Which meant that the net effect of voting Green was to get!
> election, 1,100 people voted Green, split the vote and the Tories nabbed
> rid of one of the greenest MPs.
>
> There are six similar seats (Battersea, Brighton Kemptown, Calder
> Valley, Colne Valley, Hove and Stroud) where the Green vote is large
> enough to give a Labour seat to the Tories and at least three (including
> Carshalton and Wallington, Dorset West and Torridge and West Devon)
> where it would either give a Lib Dem seat to the Tories or prevent the
> Lib Dems from taking one from them. So I urge everyone who understands
> the precipice on which we all stand to be highly tactical with their
> vote:
>
> -> If you live in a hope-in-hell constituency, vote Green. The impact
> of the first one or two Green MPs in to the House of Commons would be
> massive, though there's only four seats with a half-decent chance:
>
> There are six similar seats (Battersea, Brighton Kemptown, Calder
> Valley, Colne Valley, Hove and Stroud) where the Green vote is large
> enough to give a Labour seat to the Tories and at least three (including
> Carshalton and Wallington, Dorset West and Torridge and West Devon)
> where it would either give a Lib Dem seat to the Tories or prevent the
> Lib Dems from taking one from them. So I urge everyone who understands
> the precipice on which we all stand to be highly tactical with their
> vote:
>
> -> If you live in a hope-in-hell constituency, vote Green. The impact
> of the first one or two Green MPs in to the House of Commons would be
> Caroline Lucas in Brighton Pavilion (now the bookies' favourite), Tony
> Juniper in Cambridge, Adrian Ramsay in Norwich South and Darren Johnson
> in Lewisham Deptford.
>
> -> If you're in a Labour-Tory marginal, steel your environmentalist's
> heart and vote Labour rather than Green
>
> -> If you're in a Lib Dem-Tory marginal, vote Lib Dem rather than Green
>
> -> If you're in a Labour-Lib Dem marginal, vote for Labour, with an eye
> on helping stop Clegg siding with the Tories if there's a hung
> parliament. (Clegg said last week - whilst visiting a poppy factory,
> charmingly - that he'd be happy to work with the Tories as long as they
> concurred on four policies - fairer taxes, a shake-up of the education
> system and economic and political reform. Nothing else important, Nick?)
>
> -> If you're in a safe seat for any of the three main parties - as I am
> in Holborn & St Pancras - vote Green to add one more to the Greens'
> in Lewisham Deptford.
>
> -> If you're in a Labour-Tory marginal, steel your environmentalist's
> heart and vote Labour rather than Green
>
> -> If you're in a Lib Dem-Tory marginal, vote Lib Dem rather than Green
>
> -> If you're in a Labour-Lib Dem marginal, vote for Labour, with an eye
> on helping stop Clegg siding with the Tories if there's a hung
> parliament. (Clegg said last week - whilst visiting a poppy factory,
> charmingly - that he'd be happy to work with the Tories as long as they
> concurred on four policies - fairer taxes, a shake-up of the education
> system and economic and political reform. Nothing else important, Nick?)
>
> -> If you're in a safe seat for any of the three main parties - as I am
> total and strengthen the case for proportional representation next
> time."
shane hughes
May 12, 2010, 3:10:12 AM5/12/10
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so i walk to work today feeling slightly
emotional and confused almost tearful. Last night i caught, i don't know
who, from the labor party saying on the box that; I’ve never voted because i refuse to endorse a system that is fundamentally flawed, faulty, passed its sell by date, with voiceless people, subtly oppressed, disempowered and in my mind a system that is complicit in problem cuasing not solving, a system that we should give historic praise, an improvement on kings and queens, but not one fit for present purpose. Political reform has been high on my agenda for a long time. Not in a "change them from the inside" type way but living on the radical fringe and a "be the change" heavily engaged in community type approach. BUT four or five years back i came to terms with the notion that environmentalism as usual and protest as usual wasn't going to be good enough, we, the alternative society were as dangerously dogmatic as the business as usual proponents and so i decide to reevaluate all that i held dear and all that i was/am passionate about and one of the things that i gave into was the fact that with the ticking time bomb known as a climate change, resource depletion, ecosystem breakdown etc etc... reform to a political system making it open, engaging and inclusive was a luxury that would be better left for a decade or two because as it would make our collective decision making too slow and inconclusive in a time when we needed brave and decisive leadership. So at a time when i put political reform to the back of my mind and agenda here it is front and centre on the political and national agenda. Maybe a demonstration of political lag but certainly confusing for me! I’m not sure i want it now. NOT RIGHT NOW. But then again on a deeper level it's exactly what we need. I know many will say that we won't get the reform. That's all a bit black and white for me. I think it's more about igniting the creative consciousness of the many towards the possibility of a system that empowers, unites and nourishes, scary in the totality of individual and collective responsibility and freedom from governors. Shane |
Shane Hughes http://www.carbon-accounting.com/ http://www.sustainableevent.com/ 07809 882077 |
Hannah Thorogood
May 12, 2010, 6:22:12 AM5/12/10
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When I first heard they were entertaining talks I was furious. How could they?? They have such opposing views?!
But then, with time, I am wondering... this is actually very interesting... It kind of smacks of those wise words that we cannot get out of our mess with the same thinking that we have got into it with. Is t possible that we face a new era...? It feels like overnight our political system seems to have grown up a little bit - from dualing boys in the play ground shouting at each other to potentially something else.
It may be a ridiculous thing to say or feel but I have a bit of hope in Nick and Vince to steer the public school boys through some interesting times.
I agree so much with what you say though Shane about taking our own route through this all, it all feels a bit like a parallel world. To a massive degree, what happens in Westminster has little bearing on us, how we choose to live our lives, if we decide to cycle or drive, if we decide to talk to our neighbours and invite them round for dinner, if we grow our own salad. Something different is happening, change is afoot, it is a big gushing tide when you look at all the allotment plots filling up, sales of bikes, rising numbers of farm shops and veg box schemes. We have decided we want something different on this little island and it seems we are doing it. So let that wonderful volcano that no-one can spell, keep gushing is ash all over our air space, let those boys in suits play around with figures in the theatre of money, I'm off to pick some lovely salad and herbs for lunch and grab some leaves from the verge to add to it and have a lovely lunch with the kids.
Hannah Thorogood, M.Sc., Dip.Perm.Des.
* Earth Care * People Care * Fair Share *
Permaculture Teacher, Diploma Tutor & Event Co-ordinator
Member of the Permaculture Council for Europe
http://designedvisions.com
From: shane...@lycos.com
To: transitio...@googlegroups.com
But then, with time, I am wondering... this is actually very interesting... It kind of smacks of those wise words that we cannot get out of our mess with the same thinking that we have got into it with. Is t possible that we face a new era...? It feels like overnight our political system seems to have grown up a little bit - from dualing boys in the play ground shouting at each other to potentially something else.
It may be a ridiculous thing to say or feel but I have a bit of hope in Nick and Vince to steer the public school boys through some interesting times.
I agree so much with what you say though Shane about taking our own route through this all, it all feels a bit like a parallel world. To a massive degree, what happens in Westminster has little bearing on us, how we choose to live our lives, if we decide to cycle or drive, if we decide to talk to our neighbours and invite them round for dinner, if we grow our own salad. Something different is happening, change is afoot, it is a big gushing tide when you look at all the allotment plots filling up, sales of bikes, rising numbers of farm shops and veg box schemes. We have decided we want something different on this little island and it seems we are doing it. So let that wonderful volcano that no-one can spell, keep gushing is ash all over our air space, let those boys in suits play around with figures in the theatre of money, I'm off to pick some lovely salad and herbs for lunch and grab some leaves from the verge to add to it and have a lovely lunch with the kids.
Hannah Thorogood, M.Sc., Dip.Perm.Des.
* Earth Care * People Care * Fair Share *
Permaculture Teacher, Diploma Tutor & Event Co-ordinator
Member of the Permaculture Council for Europe
http://designedvisions.com
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Subject: Re: conservatives rank Climate change 19th out of 19 most important issues
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 03:10:12 -0400
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