I've wanted to get Kristine Carlson on the podcast for ages, so I'm thrilled to bring her to you today. She's best known as the co-writer of the Don't Sweat The Small Stuff series with her late husband, Richard Carlson, who died of a pulmonary embolism when he was 45. We discussed this in today's episode. She's written books for women. She's written books on grief. She's wise, she's lived, and I'm excited to share with you this conversation about a woman who has been a mother, who has been a wife who's created this brand only to lose her husband in a very, very sudden way, and she had to keep it together and continue to grow the don't sweat the small stuff, message and mission in the world. Even a Lifetime movie was created about Kristine's life starring none other than Heather Locklear. So I think you'll find this conversation moving. You'll enjoy Christine's words and her views on the world and how she lives her life, and I'm excited to bring her to you right now. Kristine Carlson, the woman, the legend, is with us today. Welcome.
Well, let me just say Richard actually wrote that book like Richard Carlson, my late husband, and he invited me into the series to write with him a little bit later, but it does feel like 26 years and then actually a lot of life, a life has happened the last 26 years. So yes, it really does. It feels like a different life ago that that book came out.
And I mean, you have a lifetime movie dedicated to your life. You've created an entire series. I've actually written out some of my favorite quotes from you here that I'd love to go through with you. Thank you. But I'd love to ask, how are you doing now? How are you doing now that it's 2023? I mean, for anyone who doesn't know. So you and your husband worked together, co-wrote this huge brand, and then you lost him when he was 43 and you had two girls?
Yeah, two teenagers at the time. They're now both in their thirties, their early thirties, and yeah, jazz has five kids now. Ken's not married yet, but in a partnered relationship with her guy. And yeah, I mean, life took a really huge turn for all of us at a very young age, really a very unexpected turn. When Richard was promoting his latest book, he got on a flight to go to New York to promote that book, and on the descent of that flight, he had a pulmonary embolism and died instantly and really unbeknownst to anybody on the plane, the plane had, everybody had gotten up, they were getting off, and then they realized he wasn't moving. So it was a silent death, and I very shocking, super shocking to myself and my daughters and his parents and my parents and our family and all of his friends, and of course his fans, which were millions of people around the world. So yeah, it was a very shocking thing to say, the least traumatic and shocking.
And Kristine, I was looking at the different things that you offer, the way that you work. Now, I want to dive into a few of the things that you've said, because I think that life, when these unexpected things happen, they're unthinkable. We can almost go one of two ways. We can want to give up and hide, and sometimes we need to do that for a time. But you help people now who are going through, well, you have for a while, help people who are going through major life transitions and you say, I love this. You say We don't sweat the small stuff when we are living the big stuff. Could you just say more about that, because I feel like we've had a difficult couple of years. There's been a lot of loss, a lot of change. I think that, gosh, now your message is, it's always been relevant, but we're at a point of extreme relevance perhaps for it.
Yeah, thank you. What I mean by that is that the things that are minor annoyances in life, which is what we mean by not sweating the small stuff, it's the small things that really should be kept in perspective so that you can maintain the energy that you wish to have for your larger life events, for all of your life. And living the big stuff is really those big events in life that whether it be a positive big event or it's a negative big event, either way, it takes all of your energy. And certainly after the loss of a loved one, we realized that the things that were really knocking us down, the little things that were taking our attention before something like that happens are really completely non-existent to you and probably ever again after something happens. So I know that for myself, the things that I was sweating were pretty normal things for a mom of two teenage daughters the day before Richard died and the day after he died, those same things never really hit my radar after that, except for where my kids were concerned.
I definitely, and I just want to clarify something too. A lot of people have made puns off of our brand over a lifetime, and they've talked about, they've sort of made it seem like don't sweat. The small stuff is, oh, well, you don't have to sweat the small stuff because we will, which means you're not taking care of the small stuff, which is not at all what our brand message is. Our brand message is about just not letting those minor annoyances take over your life so that, again, I'll repeat myself, that you can have the kind of energy you need to really devote to what matters most to you.
When you think about the don't sweat the small stuff message. I mean, my parents had this book. It's such a, I think every nightstand needs one, and it's incredibly timeless. Actually, I was curious to ask you, Kristine, are there a couple of chapters in this book that are your favorites? I know there are so many.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, the standout ones for me are don't make life an emergency. It's not an emergency. Standout ones are for me, see the ordinary as extraordinary at the moment. I'm not thinking what other chapters, well, I have it right.
It's a difficult question. Yeah, there's a hundred. So I have one. Oh yeah, make peace with imperfection. I mean, we've lived that one. How you start your day is how you live your day. Those are probably my all time favorites and having a gratitude practice and don't sweat the small stuff and love. It's like wake up and think of three things you love about your partner, and don't sweat the small stuff for moms. It's about instead of asking your kid what's wrong, ask 'em what's right. It's funny because a lot of these things, they seem like they're all over the place, but a lot of these things, we were the first to say them.
Yeah. Well, there's two prongs to that story. The first part is that Don't Sweat. The Small Stuff was originally going to be the first chapter in the book, and it was going to tell the Wayne Dyer story, but Richard's agent, Patty Brightman, this is why you have a great agent. His agent looked at the name, don't Sweat the small stuff. And she said, oh, Richard, that needs to be the title of your book. And so that's one part of the story. The second part is that Wayne Dyer was one of the authors that endorsed Richard early on in his career. He recognized Richard. He recognized that Richard was an up and comer, and that he wanted to see him take over the next generation of self-help leaders and authors. And so he endorsed Richard's work, and what happened was he had endorsed a book that was an earlier book that was translated into Swedish.
And so that book got the endorsement, but then another publisher took that endorsement and put it on a book for a different country, and it was a totally different book, and they printed it that way, and Richard didn't realize it until after it was printed and he was mortified. And so he wrote Wayne and he said, Wayne, this is what happened. I just want you to know. I'll ask them to pull the books off the shelves. I'll do whatever you want me to do, but I wanted you to hear it from me that this was the publisher's decision. It wasn't my decision, and I just was really mortified about it and didn't want you to not trust me. Basically, Wayne just wrote him back and he said, Richard, there's two rules in life. The first is don't sweat the small stuff. And the second is it's all small stuff. Leave the quota stand. And that just spoke so highly of the man and the leader, Wayne Dyer was. And it was a gift to Richard and he had to write about it. So that's where the title came from.
It just makes me want to cry, Kristine, because we live in an age too, where people lose their minds all over all sorts of things. So for example, foreign writes with a book, with a quote, someone getting upset about someone using maybe the wrong word when they're saying how they feel. I mean, there are so many. It's like we walk around triggered and it's so hard for us. It's so easy to go through the world looking for reasons to be offended, looking for things that can be wrong.
Me too. Me too. And I always think to myself, because jokes about the small stuff is this catchphrase right that we use, and some people use it in a way that it wasn't intended in the same way that you use it, but I find that it's so soothing almost in a situation where there's high tension. It can just drop the tension.
Totally. Yeah. And it's a saying now that everyone relates to really, people know what you mean by saying that they get what you're talking about when you tell 'em, Hey, don't sweat the small stuff. Don't sweat it. I hear that in dialogue on movies and things all the time. It's just part of our, it's really part of our speak now.
So what do you think, Kristine? So 26 years, I know this book, and this is an older one, says over 25 million copies sold. I mean, that's remarkable. And then of course, the subsequent books. What do you think, if you had to distill into a thought or a feeling that you have, what do you think is it that's so moving about this just as a way of being?
Well, I know what it is. I mean, behind that book is a philosophy, and there are five principles of happiness that are in one of Richard's, in his earlier work in several books called You Can Be Happy no matter what. You can feel Good again, stop Thinking, start Living. What Richard did though was he took those five principles and he worked with them in a way that exampled how to live them, how to practice life in a way that really is measured in accordance to somebody's value system. When you break it down, Susie, I'm sure you're aware that most of the world has a similar value system. We want the same things in a way for our families, for our lives. We want to live happy lives, we want to be healthy. We want our family to thrive. We'd love to be in a wonderful, loving relationship.
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