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Mal Rowe

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Feb 26, 2025, 8:45:46 PM2/26/25
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Some more pics from my visit to Parramatta last Saturday.

The Carlingford terminus is unassuming and a bit hidden from local roads
and shops.  Just south of the terminus the track goes single for a few
10s of metres to pass under Pennant Hills Rd bridge.

The depot is quite a long way (around 800 metre) along what will become
the new line to the Olympic Park.

A sign inside the depot caught my attention. The authorities clearly
like to still call their trams trains running on railways and their risk
appetite is a bit low when they think that 6 metres (standard overhead
height for trams) is 'low clearance'.

Mal Rowe - who liked the ride
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Bob Pearce

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Feb 26, 2025, 10:11:51 PM2/26/25
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Nice Pics, Mal.

I need to ask though, why do the painters put the words "Tram Only" in the -
what seems to me - the incorrect order. The first word the tram driver sees is
"ONLY".
The next word is "TRAM".

Would it be better to have the words in the reverse order - first word is
TRAM, the next is ONLY.

I notice that wrong order thing on bus lanes as well, so that a driver sees
"ONLY LANE BUS" instead of "BUS LANE ONLY".

OR, am I being too pedantic.

Bob in Perth
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espee8800

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Feb 26, 2025, 10:23:42 PM2/26/25
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Not at all Bob. Just incompetence. The painter is handed a piece of paper that says "Bus Lane Only" and promptly paints exactly that. Loads and loads of examples here in Victoria.

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Matthew Geier

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Feb 26, 2025, 10:35:47 PM2/26/25
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On 27/2/25 14:23, espee8800 wrote:
Not at all Bob. Just incompetence. The painter is handed a piece of paper that says "Bus Lane Only" and promptly paints exactly that. Loads and loads of examples here in Victoria.

And if they don't do exactly what the work order says, even if obviously wrong, they don't get paid.

And many in the building industry love it - as they then get to charge a variation to come back and do it properly when the 'customer' realises they specified it incorrectly. Variations is where the profit is.



Mal Rowe

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Feb 27, 2025, 12:10:17 AM2/27/25
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On 27/02/2025 12:45, Mal Rowe wrote:
Some more pics from my visit to Parramatta last Saturday.

Here's the other end - Westmead terminus.

It is much more 'in the action' near places of interest and traffic generators.

Entering pedant mode:

I'm one who thinks that the standard way of painting signs on the roadway makes sense.

Second pic is a blow up of part of the pic referenced above.

I read signs like that in one glimpse, not a line at a time, so the order makes sense to me.

The Victorian road rules  shows this form of sign (for Keep Clear).

A proposed harmonisation publication talks about different situations and says:

If possible, messages should be confined to one line. The following conditions need to be satisfied if the message requires two lines: 

• Where the 85th percentile speed is greater than 80 km/h, a separation of four times the character height should be used, with the message arranged to be read sequentially, i.e. the first word is nearest to the driver. 

• At lower speeds, the separation line between the text should be one-half to one times the character height, with the message arranged to read from top to bottom.

See: https://austroads.gov.au/publications/asset-management/ap-r578-18/media/AP-578-18_Harmonisation_of_Pavement_Markings_and_National_Pavement_Marking_Specification.pdf


Mal Rowe - switching out of pedant mode


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Vera Mills

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Feb 27, 2025, 12:38:24 AM2/27/25
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Hello,
Is there not an Australian Standard for signs on roads?
Which, no doubt, is the reason why signs on roads are written backwards.
Regards,
Glen Mills
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Andrew Highriser

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Feb 27, 2025, 3:48:06 AM2/27/25
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That's interesting and explains the two variations of how road signs are painted, assuming the contractors know and follow the rules. 

Andew. 

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