Next Generation Trams

[brian_weedon]

The Victorian Government has a new web page featuring the G class tram design.

See https://www.vic.gov.au/next-generation-trams 

The page includes a link to an interesting fact sheet which unfortunately is too large to include as an attachment.

Brian Weedon

[TP]

Given the problems we have with the clunkers in Sydney, NSW government could do no worse, next time around, ordering some of these from Melbourne, but with those two extra modules added in the middle (1x bogie and 1x suspended). Rather like the new trams for Prague:

https://www.urban-transport-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Exterior-4.jpg

The only concern I have with the Melbourne ones is aisle width, which is something that this type of platform (swivelling bogies at the ends, fixed trucks in the middle) is specifically designed to address. There's also the issue of competitive tendering, but a local content requirement can leverage that.

It's interesting given the similarities between the Melbourne and Prague designs that Alstom pulled out of the Prague bid early on. Other factors at play I guess.

Tony P

[Mal Rowe]

Thanks Brian,

The direct link to the fact sheet
is https://www.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-11/DTP-NGT-Design-Reveal-Fact-Sheet-November-2024.pdf

[Hunslet]

Apart from political difficulties, would there be any basic operational problems if Sydney was to borrow a set for trial purposes?

Hunslet.

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[TP]

Probably more a contractual issue as one operator has been given exclusive right to operate Sydney's trams, but I guess it's possible considering Alstom is involved in that. The time to do this would be when they're progressing on Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2. That may involve a seven-module tram, which is possible. They won't be considering more trams before that.

Tony P

[Mal Rowe]

I don't see any need to send a set to Sydney.

I would expect (or at least hope) that some Sydney managers and engineers have had a quiet look at the Melbourne G class - even if they are "only trams"!

Mal Rowe, who reckons  'political difficulties' are not something easily put apart!

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[Matthew Geier]

On 11/11/24 13:20, 'TP' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
> Probably more a contractual issue as one operator has been given
> exclusive right to operate Sydney's trams, but I guess it's possible
> considering Alstom is involved in that. The time to do this would be
> when they're progressing on Parramatta Light Rail Stage 2. That may
> involve a seven-module tram, which is possible. They won't be
> considering more trams before that.
>

CAF probably has options on Paramatta Stage 2. They would have to stuff
up pretty badly not to get first dibs on an expanded fleet.

Non CAF trams would not be able to run to Westmead as they would not be
able to charge their traction batteries from the CAF 3rd rail provided
for charging there.

I would not want to be project manager for getting an Alstom Tram to
talk to the CAF power rail. But then Alstom has George Street locked in
forever too, and I wouldn't hold much hope that a CAF tram could ever
talk to Alstom's APS either. Both vendors use secure coded radio signals
to turn the 3rd rail on. The exact codes for the signal would be a very
closely guarded secret. (You don't want some teen reverse engineering
the control signal and turning the 3rd rail on when there ISN'T a tram
on top it!)

[TP]

Visit Melbourne? Oh the horror!

Tony P

(with tongue in cheek)

[Peter Bruce]

Camping Out.

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[Mick Duncan]

Gday  All

Dont bother looking at the next gen trams site if you want to find anything
out about the trams,no tech stuff at all

Cheers,    Mick

[TP]

Like me, Mick, you probably miss the old days when you could get detailed technical information and measured drawings (on paper). Nowadays it's all blah and spin, artistic renders and online. The G class have swivelling bogies at the ends and a fixed truck on a short module in the middle, in theory to maximise aisle width. This combination should minimise impact on tracks.

Tony P

(in a city where the modern trams are glorified angle grinders)

[TP]

While browsing a Facebook transport page, I came across this answer from somebody in Netherlands to the question, which do you prefer, trains or trams? Europeans are definitely more around some of the issues than we are.

[quote]

For the longer distances it is the train (due to the speed of course) but I would love a lot of buslines to be replaced by tramlines as long as those trams have good driving qualities and comfortable seats (so: no fixed trucks, but bogies with good suspension and medium soft seats). Modern trams (and trains as well) are often less comfortable as the generation they are replacing: bumpy ride (in curves and switches), hard seats, little legroom. And that makes public transport less attractive to use when new trains and trams (and buses as well) are entering service.

[unquote]

Tony P

[brian_weedon]

The Minister for Public and Active Transport Gabrielle Williams visited the Alstom factory in Dandenong on 8th November.  She posted photographs of the first G class trams at the factory on her Facebook page.

Brian Weedon

[brian_weedon]

The Minister for Public and Active Transport Gabrielle Williams visited the Alstom factory in Dandenong on 8th November.  She posted photographs of the first G class trams at the factory on her Facebook page.

Brian Weedon

[brian_weedon]

The Minister for Public and Active Transport Gabrielle Williams visited the Alstom factory in Dandenong on 8th November.  She posted photographs of the first G class trams at the factory on her Facebook page.

Brian Weedon

[Mal Rowe]

On 11/11/2024 23:28, 'brian_weedon' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
> The Minister for Public and Active Transport Gabrielle Williams
> visited the Alstom factory in Dandenong on 8th November.  She posted
> photographs of the first G class trams at the factory on her Facebook
> page.
>

I suspect that's the mock-up.

Mal Rowe - suspecting false news

[Andrew Cook]

How come these turkeys skipped the sixth letter in the English alphabet known as 'F'? Alphabet denial on steroids or poor schooling? Political correction or just another example of "we don't like that letter 'F' as it could be construed that the trams are Ferked".

And how come the old M&MTB used the letter 'F' in the 1920s for some of its trams without batting an eyelid?

Yours in 'F'ness and about to duck for cover from the incoming pedant tirades,

Andrew Cook.

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[Mick Duncan]

Gday  Tony

I also miss being able to read dwgs and specs to see what a tram is made
of

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