Sydney M1 (Almost off topic)

[Matthew Geier]

I've noticed a Metropolis train set has been stabled and shutdown at
Sydenham for almost a week now.

It's unusual to see trains powered down in the Sydenham yard - it's
really just a buffer, and trains wait there fully powered up and
presumably ready to be called on at a moments notice.

It's possible the train has been modified for the Bankstown line proving
runs and it can't be a regular service train while in that configuration
and it's stored there pending being needed - although it doesn't have
anything obvious like gauging blocks attached.

[Geoffrey Hansen]

For a moment I was trying to think if you meant Sydney or Melbourne?

Could they start testing the Bankstown line by running the Metro locomotive down it?

Regards Geoffrey

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[Matthew Geier]

Sydney Metro is having a bad day - posted on Social Media - a train running at line speed with a set of doors open.

It appears in order to avoid massive delays, they assigned two staff to 'guard' the broken open door, and disabled the traction interlock to enable the train to continue at line speed. It appears from the video posted they didn't even remove the passengers from the vestibule where the door was stuck.

How their SMS allows a train to run at line speed with passengers on board with the door-open interlock disabled, I don't know.

That they assigned staff to guard the door means they knew what they were doing - I would have thought 'safety' would have required the train be emptied and worked out of service to the nearest siding for technical attention. (Which in this case would probably be Sydenham).

It appears they just overroad the safeties and allowed the passengers to stay on board. I can only assume they tagged out of service and replaced the train with a spare once it got to Sydenham and it didn't run back to Tallawong in service with a door stuck open!.

Surely this is an ONRSR safety fail reportable event ?

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[TP]

I don't know how we all survived open-door journeys with the wind whistling through our hair at line speed on standard suburban sets back in the day. Or for that matter on buses and trams.

One of our past German contributors once told us about a particular Bombardier train in Germany that regularly ran with failed open doors. If the Germans could tolerate it, I'm sure we can. At least all the proper precautions were taken in this case.

Tony P

[Matthew Geier]

On 2/4/25 12:01, 'TP' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
> I don't know how we all survived open-door journeys with the wind
> whistling through our hair at line speed on standard suburban sets
> back in the day. Or for that matter on buses and trams.
>

I also remember the spate of deaths and serious injuries at the sunset
of the 'rattlers' as people fell out of moving trains, the inability to
safely ride a train with open doors was fading even before the manual
door trains were withdrawn from active duty.

> One of our past German contributors once told us about a particular
> Bombardier train in Germany that regularly ran with failed open doors.
> If the Germans could tolerate it, I'm sure we can. At least all the
> proper precautions were taken in this case.
>

The Germans have a different legal system - if you do something stupid
and get hurt, don't expect 'compensation'.  The Dummkopf rule.

[bblun...@yahoo.com]

on  ST trains, they can usually lock faulty doors in the closed position, and put "door out of use" stickers on them.

Brian.

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[Matthew Geier]

On 2/4/25 14:16, 'bblun...@yahoo.com' via TramsDownUnder wrote:

on  ST trains, they can usually lock faulty doors in the closed position, and put "door out of use" stickers on them.

I do wonder why the Metro minders didn't hand close the doors and use 'door out of use' stickers to hold the doors closed!

It can't approved procedure NOT to 'detrain' passengers in the event of a stuck door fault.

Yes the traction interlock has to be overridden to move the train out of the way, but to disable the interlock and leave all the passenger on board ?. That can't possibly be an approved procedure.

This is a system that runs empty at night so the staff get their manual driving hours up - not being allowed to get such practice in operating hours, as happens on other systems, I’ve been on  a Singapore Circle line train being operated under 'protected manual' in public service - a few services each Sunday morning are manually driven for staff training/practice.

Not being allowed to operate in 'protected manual' with passengers, but can carry passengers on a train with a stuck open door and the traction interlock disabled ?. Doesn't seem consistent to me.

[Stuart Keenan]

That is a massive safety breach by Sydney Metro.

The days where “Employee Travelling to Protect” was a solution to doors stuck open, broken windows or any other situation that had the potential to compromise passenger safety ended about 20 years ago. The situation is either rectified (in this case defective doors closed and isolated) or the train removed from service immediately.

If train crews took it upon themselves to run a revenue service in that condition, they’d be battling to keep their jobs. Having the Men in Black (with or without neuralyzers) standing in the doorway is no precaution at all.

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[Malcolm Miles]

All messages today are about trains.
Perhaps someone needs to set up a TrainsDownUnder Group.

 

Best wishes,

[grumpy] Malcolm

 

[TP]

Perhaps this is confusing:

" Welcome to this Australia and New Zealand traction/transit discussion group pertaining to trams, trolleys, light rail, trolleybuses and other electric urban transport in Australia and New Zealand."

Tony P

(who gets the drift)

[Geoffrey Hansen]

I thought that trains counted as electric transport.

But are metros classified as trains?

If we go further north does the Singapore MRT count as a railway? Albeit not down under.

Just to complicate things.

Regards Geoffrey

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[Malcolm Miles]

From Wikimedia: An overcrowded East Preston tram with tram surfers moving along Brunswick Street, Fitzroy North

 

I remember that there is also a photo of men hanging off trams leaving the MCG somewhere in the TDU archives.

 

mgm

[Mick Duncan]

Gday  All

Sydney Metro did the right thing by keeping the train going till it
could be replaced,worry about the paperwork later

Cheers,    Mick  Keep the wheels turning

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[Mick Duncan]

Gday  Malcolm,All

TDU is for all Electric public transport in OZ and NZ,not just Trams

Cheers,   Mick

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[TP]

This UITP brief on automated commuter rail tells all you need to know about automation and its advantages. Relevant to Melbourne too as I believe you are getting a GoA4 system for the suburban rail loop.

https://cms.uitp.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Knowledge-Brief-InfrastructureV7_web.pdf

Tony P

[Mick Duncan]

Gday  All

It looks like the W2 has a US13 trolley base and if so were US13 tbs
common on the MMTB

Cheers,   Mick

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[Mal Rowe]

On 07/04/2025 20:18, 'Mick Duncan' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
>
> It looks like the W2 has a US13 trolley base and if so were US13 tbs
> common on the MMTB
>

Yes - see attached official MMTB pic showing trolley base types in the
1950s.

I suspect the US13 bases were original equipment on the maximum traction
cars, as shown in the second pic.

Mal Rowe - who recently found from experience that a standard MMTB
trolleybase weighs over 40 kg!

[David Batho]

Thanks, Tony.

David

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Tony P

[Mick Duncan]

Gday  Mal

Thanks for the TB pics

Cheers,   Mick