Or, we could buy a cheaper, better version on another console. We don't have to be sympathetic or make excuses for them. There are plenty of decent Switch games and more to come. Just admit that this isn't one of them.
derek from cgrundertow made this observation about sports games. they've stopped trying to emulate the game itself and have become more sports BROADCAST simulators. they try to be the tv show, not the sport. having said that, i'd personally have a little less detail for more fluidity at a higher frame rate. maybe part of the patch can offer than option.
@scully1888 Wouldn't it make more sense to give a lower score and change that score later?
I mean, they released the game with a game-breaking bug, so it should be scored accordingly.
5 years since last officially licensed game on a nintendo system...wasnt NBA playgrounds officially licensed? That was only May.
Even when playgrounds launched it didnt sound as broken as this version does, I'll stick to the silly over the top game
Also wow, before I started following this website, I had no idea that in 2017 people still cared so much about sports games. "hundreds of hours"??? I can't fathom spending 15 on a Basketball game, or any sports game. After I graduated high school in 2010 I was no longer forced to be around the jocks and sports nuts and this entire scene of people faded from my mind until recently when I found this website and started seeing all the posts about this game and FIFA.
To each their own I suppose. If so many people are invested in this game, then I do hope for your guy's sake that the game is patched quickly. I cannot imagine having been one of the die hard fans who bought the 150 dollar version only to find so many mistakes. I would be absolutely FURIOUS. 2K should be ashamed for releasing a game in such a state.
I also fear Take Two and 2k Games consider the Switch a "no go" machine if this one sells poorly, blaming the fact that third parties can't succeed on Nintendo hardware instead of just admitting they rushed this one out on the field (erm...court?) to be able to release along side the other versions.
I will wait for the retail version, assuming they iron out stuff by October 5th (or push it back a few more weeks which seems wise at the moment).This WIP review also has me worried for the final quality of WWE 2k18...
Companies need to be penalised with poor scores for poorly performing games. Holding out for patches seems a little too forgiving. By all means update the review later, but the game should be graded on its current state, not withheld until some undetermined date in the future.
@BensonUii It creates a dangerous precedent, one that tells the industry its ok to buy special editions of virtual currency at 3x the price of a regular game. I do not criticize those who do buy it (each one is free to do what they want with their money of course), I criticize those in marketing who decided that it is reasonable to price a game half the cost of a Switch.
@shani While I agree in principle, at least this way means people are more likely to actually read the review, rather than just look at a number and develop some knee-jerk reaction based on that. If the game remains the way it is, I'm sure a score will be given to reflect that, but if a patch is only a few days away, it may make sense to hold off on the pomp and circumstance of 'declaring a score' until then.
It's times like these when I really do appreciate Nintendo's commitment to quality when it comes to their first-party software. Sure, there have been a minor glitches in their titles over the years, but I've never had to play an utterly broken game from Nintendo proper.
I'm getting the physical which can be played from cart. I may not even download the update and just play offline (which also means skipping cutscenes AND has separate save system which means that might be solved too).
This "pending score" situation means studios can release unfinished broken pieces of gaming, cash in the preorders and give people a bad initial experience... and get away with it, with the promess of a patch, perhaps maybe coming later. That's crazy !
It used to be that gaming publications would review games harshly for having game breaking bugs at release time. This was done so as not to encourage publishers to be comfortable with releasing a broken version of their game, then (maybe) fixing it later with future revisions. It's the same way with a lot of things in life- first impressions are important. Being lenient and giving a "Score Pending" to give a company carte blanche to release their products before fixing their problems, rather than giving an initial accurate score and updating it later once it has been fixed, provides respite for a troubling precedent. If enough review sites do this, then there becomes absolutely zero penalty for publishers (especially the larger, richer ones) to completely take advantage of the opportunity, and regularly release their games early in a broken state. After all, they can always just fix their product's mistakes later with no repercussions whatsoever, right?
@Anti-Matter
That's not really the point here though is it?
On the whole I prefer more arcade/stylized sports games myself but it's silly to suggest that the leading, officially franchised sports titles should take that approach. You have a bad habit of quickly dismissing something on the basis of personal preference to suggest a "better" alternative even if it makes absolutely no sense in the context.
@BensonUii
I canceled mine. Not even for a malicious reason, I did get skittish about whether a patch would be out at release, and with FIFA and Mario, I just didn't see the point in buying this day 1 without KNOWING it was going to be patched.
I am reminded of how a friend tried to get through an essay by randomly writing all the things he could think of that he learned. When it came back he didn't even get a score all that was written was nonsense not even worth scoring.
As I see it, it is calling it a buggy mess that is not even worth scoring. Yes they did say they would change it if it is patched. But how I see it in context is that it is not worth even scoring as is and as such not even worth buying. Essentially less than zero.
@Anti-Matter That is a horrible idea. Many spots fans actually like their games to be as close to a real life simulation as possible. There are other games (such as NBA Playgrounds) that fits your style perfectly.
If you read the review, it's actually more harsh than a low score. It explicitly states, "Do not buy this game" (right now, or maybe ever). Based on how deep the actual gameplay is, if the reviewer was forced to apply a score at this junction; it may have scored better than the game actually deserves in its current state.
I applaud you guys for saying hold off on buying, but you really do need to attach a score to this. They shipped it this way, they deserve the bad score if it ships broken. If they care so much about Metacritic, they should've fixed things before launch.
PC Gamer gave Dishonored 2 the same lieniency when it shipped broken on PC, and it really disappointed me to the point that I barely visit that site anymore. That's not a threat, but it is the reality if you're going to start holding review scores to give devs a grace period to fix things that were unacceptable to ship with in the first place.
I for one understand the score pending situation, but only at this particular time. A fine line needs to be walked here. Devs are effectively in uncharted waters with Switch, especially with big AAA franchises like this one. I would like to encourage them to look positively to the future, rather than having the bean counters decide it isn't worth the hassle and merely give us warmed over mobile games like RBI.
It's like praising a child for what they have done right, explaining to them what they have done wrong, and having the leniency and patience to let them correct themselves and improve. For me the content of the review does all of this.
Don't hope this review will put people off from buying this game, because truth is it really plays like a dream when you get down to the bare essentials, which is: playing basketball. The issues are of the technical kind and can (and should) be fixed.
One more voice for the chorus - a game should get a score based on what is released. If they fix the game later on, the score can be adjusted. If they don't, let them suffer the consequences. Far too many companies are overly complacent these days about fixing games after they release, and withholding scores on reviews makes them even more so.
Good lord what a mess. Crazy that Nintendo showcased this during the initial Switch reveal. Granted, they were still working on it then, but they desperately needed to delay this game it sounds like. How could a game get the greenlight with such problems?
@BustedUpBiker
The "early bird" excuse was fini in the first three months, when Playground, BotW, or Bomberman came out and had a patch right away.
We're six months in, so what are they gonna achieve in terms of stability in the next days/weeks that they couldn't figure out all these months ?
Definitely waiting on retail .. should be a fix for the issues by then . That being said , releasing a game that requires the memory investment this one does ? Should not be polish / performance issues like this .
@MarioPhD
We're not hating on the game, we're only trying to keep things fair. Too bad it has to impact a game you feel so strongly about, but there's no way around it : the product that one can buy today is a broken one. Defending this practice today is encouraging studios to do it again tomorrow.
@MoonKnight7 I already have a PS4,I meant it would be more appealing on the Switch. The hours to invest in this franchise gets insane and MHW only being limited to a home console,myself,I'll find it hard to invest the hours to make any decent progress. I'll probably hit G-Rank around the year 2020
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