YAS and Parrot

[Leo Lapworth]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the heads up - but this is out of scope for now...

On 8 July 2013 18:32, Daniel Wright <d...@dwright.org> wrote:

Something that we should also keep in mind is that we might need to be able to dual-brand the TPF web site.

http://www.yetanother.org/ (which I'm guessing is the domain?) seems very very out of date (like 10 years old!) and not dual-branded in anyway?

 

An often forgotten fact is that we are actually the "Yet Another Society".    "The Perl Foundation" is just a registered business alias for YAS.    

I'm sure at the point this becomes an issue YAS/TPF can pay someone to do this work - at the moment Adam is doing a great job on getting the existing content out and into a format that can be worked on and anything else is out of scope.

But, it turns out that YAS might be picking up an additional business alias soon as "The Parrot Foundation."   So, we may need to develop a site that conveys that we are both Perl and Parrot.   Or, possibly, have one site that appears with different skins depending on the host name that you connect to.

The same content with 2 skins and domains would be really bad from a SEO point of view. Worth working out what (if anything) a parrot foundation site needs,  e.g. if a page or two + a link to theperlfoundation is enough then that should be a separate site. But as I said out of scope for now :)

Cheers

Leo 

[Daniel Wright]

Integrating the Parrot site on to TPF's site is certainly out of the scope of the present project of migrating the old site on to something new.

However, an understanding of this upcoming requirement is certainly within the scope of this committee / mailing list.

Ultimately, I believe that a separate site just for the Parrot foundation may not be desirable.   "The Perl Foundation" and "The Parrot Foundation" will be two unique brands, both operating under YAS.   If we build two separate sites, then that doubles the work of this marketing committee to maintain those sites.   Unless somebody has an abundance of tuits, I suggest we avoid that.

It may be beneficial to build the road map now, before Adam completes all his hard work.    Even if we don't plan to implement the plan just yet, having a vision of the future may help us to avoid unnecessary work in the interim.

-Dan

[Leo Lapworth]

Hi Daniel,

On 9 July 2013 01:32, Daniel Wright <d...@dwright.org> wrote:

Integrating the Parrot site on to TPF's site is certainly out of the scope of the present project of migrating the old site on to something new.

However, an understanding of this upcoming requirement is certainly within the scope of this committee / mailing list.

Ultimately, I believe that a separate site just for the Parrot foundation may not be desirable.   "The Perl Foundation" and "The Parrot Foundation" will be two unique brands, both operating under YAS.

I guess this is the bit I don't understand. Is http://yetanother.org/ YAS? If I go to http://www.perlfoundation.org/ and see stuff about "The Parrot Foundation" isn't that confusing? (add to that TPF and TPF, could The Parrot Foundation be called The Parrot <other word not starting with T>?

Forcing the content into one site for maintenance reasons at the expense of usability and clarity seems like a bad approach, to me maintainability can be achieved by keeping content simple not putting time sensitive information into a site.

 

If we build two separate sites, then that doubles the work of this marketing committee to maintain those sites.   Unless somebody has an abundance of tuits, I suggest we avoid that.

I guess it depends what information there needs to be about "The Parrot Foundation" - Shouldn't it have it's own content? (I really haven't a clue hence asking).

 

It may be beneficial to build the road map now, before Adam completes all his hard work.    Even if we don't plan to implement the plan just yet, having a vision of the future may help us to avoid unnecessary work in the interim.

Please supply a list of what content there would need to be for Parrot, and what if any content overlaps between Parrot and Perl and we can take it from there.

Many thanks

Leo 

[Daniel Wright]

On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Leo Lapworth <l...@cuckoo.org> wrote:

his is the bit I don't understand. Is http://yetanother.org/ YAS?

Well, it was back in 2003.    But then we built http://perlfoundation.org to replace it.   The fact that yetanother.org still exists has recently become a real problem for me, and I am trying to correct it.

Legally, we are YAS.  Colloquially, we refer to ourselves as The Perl Foundation.    Over time, we have built up TPF to be its own brand.    Most people don't even know about YAS, and that's probably just as well.    But in reality, TPF is just an alias for YAS.

If I go to http://www.perlfoundation.org/ and see stuff about "The Parrot Foundation" isn't that confusing? (add to that TPF and TPF, could The Parrot Foundation be called The Parrot <other word not starting with T>?

I've taken to referring to The Parrot Foundation as PaFo.   We really don't want to change their name, any more than we want to change the name of The Perl Foundation.    They are both brands that have been built up, and I don't believe we want to loose the name recognition on either.

I don't think it's confusing.   And, if carefully crafted, it doesn't need to be confusing to others, either.    Although, it is entirely possible that there are people with misconceptions out there that will need to be re-educated.    If we skip over that step, it could certainly seem confusing.

Forcing the content into one site for maintenance reasons at the expense of usability and clarity seems like a bad approach, to me maintainability can be achieved by keeping content simple not putting time sensitive information into a site.

I don't agree that this is necessarily "at the expense of usability and clarity."    I'm also not sure that avoiding time sensitive material on the site is a realistic solution.

I guess it depends what information there needs to be about "The Parrot Foundation" - Shouldn't it have it's own content? (I really haven't a clue hence asking).

Presently, everything about The Parrot Foundation can be found at parrot.org.   It makes sense that parrot.org should continue as a site to provide people news about the Parrot project, just as Perl.org provides news about Perl.    But now that the administrative side of things falls under the jurisdiction of YAS, it makes more sense that those issues be housed on the YAS web site (perlfoundation.org).

Please supply a list of what content there would need to be for Parrot, and what if any content overlaps between Parrot and Perl and we can take it from there.

The list isn't fully defined yet.   There will, of course, be information about Parrots charter, and occasional news items related to Parrot.    I think the bigger issue, and challenge will be finding a way to represent PaFo and TPF as two distinct groups, working under the direction of one organization.

-Dan