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Orville Marquez

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Aug 5, 2024, 11:47:10 AM8/5/24

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Forme, it's Fort Worth. By a long shot. I think it's the quintessential "tight but loose" performance. Too bad the remainder of the June 11 soundboard has disappeared into the annals of rock history...

Fort Worth is definitely the best. 5/25 and 5/30 are also quite good. I'd definitely put 5/28 at the bottom of the barrel, but the extra long Kashmir is still good.

I'm not gonna try to turn this into an EVSD speculation thread, but I really hope a soundboard of 6/8 comes out.

No question about it, 5/28 is the worst of the lot...I can't remember the last time I listened to that show (or any of the Landover gigs, for that matter- probably when Double Shot came out, actually!)

For sure Fort Worth, the original soundboard that came out on EVSD sounded great already, but then the remaster that Liriodendron did made it even better!! That soundboard has so much warmth, clarity, and band separation that no other 77 soundboard has. And that the performance is really good too, the "tight but loose" concept is strong during this show, like you mentioned Nutrocker.

My current fav is Fort Worth but that may be because it's the newest one and I've been playing it a lot lately. I really like the last Landover show, and listened to it regularly when it first came out. I'm not sure what I'd say next month...

I seemed to recall really liking 5/26 because Plant sounded particularly into it, and Bonham's drumming is nice and clear on that one. For the Landover run, there are moments where a particular song actually works better on one night versus another, so a lot of it is pick and choose I think. The 5/30 show doesn't do much for me (the band sound kind of tired), but the performance of Since I've Been Loving You is great.

I really like Houston for Bonham's playing, but don't really have the same preference for Fort Worth. The first New York soundboard I was kind of shocked to find how little I was into that show, even after having enjoyed the audience source for so long.

What Listen To This said...Seattle isn't a "true" soundboard per se, just umpteen million versions of the video soundtrack. I suppose you could include it in the list, not that it holds a fuckin' candle to Fort Worth...

Has anybody heard the soundboard snippet of Jimmy's bow solo from 6-23-77? Its been a long long time since I heard it. I had downloaded it from the Presence server many moons ago and have since lost it due to computer failure. If I remember correctly I wasn't all that impressed with the sound for a SB.

The Badgeholders soundboard snippet sounded a lot like the sound on the New York 6/7 board. Kind of thin. Hopefully if/when the full version comes out it has a bit more depth to it. Although, honestly, I'd take it any way I could get it.

(He's made other "My contact" type posts intimating 'insider' knowledge on some of the missing '77 soundboards as well...hence why I said name some names -or even "Sorry, I can't name names"- but he has this habit of popping up in these discussions claiming he knows stuff about uncirculating material with certainty but ultimately can never back up his claims )

A SB of June 23rd, '77 might be a real letdown. Mike's audience recording is such a fine recording, clear vocals and keyboards like a SB but with that electric vibe of the audience. That's just me, I prefer good

Hard to say ,but all the front running shows have been posted , ....the soundboard makes it clear but some songs and solos come into the mix, ....great sound,lackluster solo,,or brilliant solo ,lackluster sound.I thought someone would have recorded best song version of tour and make a compilation live 77 album. Best song from from different venue a then make a full set list w/ it

There could be sound boards before this time made by the band like the German tour in the Summer of 1970 or simple state type recordings. That post does nail it for the 1971-1980 soundboard recordings I believe 100%.

I have always posted that no one really knows if the shows were done on reels or cassette. And the myths get repeated and turn into facts. But that Post really lays out all the evidence for the 1971-1980 shows done on cassette.

Now that we have real evidence thanks to blackmikioto, for which Cassette machines were used then next factor is why the quality varies from year to year. One huge factor In the difference would be the type of cassettes were used. Quality can really vary depending on if 120 min no real bias cassettes were used and the tape bias setting was properly used etc. High quality chrome or metal tapes would definitely have better more crisp sound.

Awesome is an understatement. I'm in the middle of my own research for a Zeppelin piece I've been planning for some time and that post and entire thread completely derailed me, haha. Amazing work tracking down those photos and examining all the gear.

I am curious about some things. Such as why no mics on the stage amps in 1970? Were the band just relying on the sound from the stage amps to fill the arena and using only drums and Robert's voice in the P.A.?

Great read right down to the info on the stolen tapes. Probably nothing new here for most, but I was unsure if "stolen" meant just "copied" or physically stolen. I guess they are gonesky. That is a real tragedy for Jimmy and hella fucked up. While we are clearly the better for that in that Jimmy had no intention of releasing any of it, it is practically a record of his core life's work, and for that reason cannot be condoned - even while we all savour the releases.

Just where the fuck are those tapes now??????? Not to mention, does anyone think they will show up some day? Or have been discreetly returned to Jimmy as he must have known the individuals that lifted them in the first place, but has always been discreet himself.

RE tapes stolen from Page - he and others has been quoted as saying at some point in the last 20 years or so (could be the 90s to a few years ago, can't locate original source right now) a collector helped return most of the tapes that were stolen from him BUT I don't think it was made clear whether these were available sources of each show in common circulation, or whether the collector had sources unavailable to the unwashed masses, or whether they were the original tapes. I would imagine it's most likely the first scenario, very much doubt the original cassettes were returned.

Relying on memory again but I seem to remember there were two thefts from Page's collection in the 80s, firstly in around 1982 and again a few years later. The stolen tapes appear to be the source of some studio outtakes and soundboards from 1973 and 1980. The many soundboards released in the last 15 years or so (primarily from 1975) likely come from another source.

Everything you said seem correct. I can only guess that Page did get all the tapes recovered. He knew who took them so...his quote may be playing dumb a little in regards to getting them back because of the bootleg trial that he was questioned about.

My question regarding cassettee vs reel-to-reel soundboard recordings: how do the, say, 1975 boards, not have any break or cassette flip in a three-hour show? If it was a single cassette there'd be the flip every 45min or 60min, but those shows just seem to flow complete from start to finish. Plus the linked article shows that there was only one on-stage recorder. Anyone?

Cool article...informative and detailed. Interesting as to how the band used Sony/Nak. I read of Plant's remark dismissing the Japan 1971 recordings stating that they made better recordings using their Revox machine.

Correct, it just so happened that the 1975 setlist synced up well with the length of the tapes. The first flip is between "Kashmir" and "No Quarter," which worked out to be just under an hour into the show most nights -- check the second night in Vancouver and you'll clearly hear a truncated Plantation introducing NQ. The second flip would then occur between "Moby Dick" and "Dazed And Confused."