LET'S NOT EXPECT THE FED CHAIRMAN TO RESIST ANYTHING. HE WILL EVENTUALLY COME INTO THE TRUMP FOLD! CHANCES ARE THAT THE FED CHAIR WILL REDUCE INTEREST RATES TO WHERE PREZ TRUMP WANTS THEM O BE!
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Trump's Body Language During Awkward Exchange With Jerome Powell Spoke Volumes, Experts Say
Kimberley Richards
Fri, July 25, 2025 at 7:14 PM EDT·7 min read
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President Donald Trump’s visit to the Federal Reserve this week produced some awkward soundbites. But body language experts think there were several nonverbal moments between Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell that spoke volumes.
Even though presidents rarely visit the politically independent central bank, Trump on Thursday toured the building, which is being renovated.
Trump and members of his administration have been publicly lambasting Powell for months over the Fed’s unwillingness to lower interest rates. The president has previously called on Powell to resign before his term ends in May 2026, and he’s referred to the Fed chair as a “numbskull.”
Furthermore, Trump had criticized the Fed’s renovation of two historic buildings prior to his visit on Thursday. His administration has accused Powell of mismanaging the project, with Trump calling the renovations “disgraceful,” The Associated Press reported.
On Thursday, Trump stood next to Powell at the construction site and told reporters that the cost of the renovations amounted to approximately $3.1 billion, saying it “went up a little bit — or a lot” while Powell shook his head in disagreement.
Trump then insisted his numbers were correct as he took out a piece of paper to confirm the costs. But when Powell saw the paper, he pointed out that the president was incorrectly factoring in the price of renovations on a third building that had been completed five years prior.
“Oh, you’re including the Martin renovation? You just added in a third building,” Powell said. “That’s a third building.”’
“Well, I know, but it’s a building that’s being built,” Trump responded.
“No. It was built five years ago,” Powell corrected him. “We finished Martin five years ago ... It’s not new.”
Trump signaled to reporters following the tour that he would not be seeking to fire Powell, saying he didn’t think it would be “necessary” and that he believes the Fed chair is “going to do the right thing,” he said, per the AP.
But people online have still had a lot to say about the cringey tour. So we talked to body language experts, and they say there’s a lot more to take away from the president’s visit to the Federal Reserve on Thursday.
President Donald Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell confer during the president's visit to the Federal Reserve on July 24, 2025.
President Donald Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell confer during the president's visit to the Federal Reserve on July 24, 2025. ANDREW CABALLERO-REYNOLDS via Getty Images
Powell’s body language said a lot during his back-and-forth with Trump over renovation costs.
Patti Wood, a body language and nonverbal communication expert and author of “SNAP: Making the Most of First Impressions, Body Language, and Charisma,” said that before Trump provided his $3.1 billion figure, Powell’s shoulders were drooping slightly, with his mouth in a “tight downward frown.”
“He knows something bad is coming,” she told HuffPost. She later noted that after Trump shared his estimate, Powell “immediately and dramatically” turned his head to Trump, gave him a “razor sharp glare of anger” and then rapidly shook his head “no.”
“This is fascinating, as very few people actually shake their heads [‘no’] when Trump makes a false statement, making what would typically be a rather innocuous back-and-forth head shake an indication of Powell’s personal confidence,” she said.
Wood also noted that while shaking his head, Powell closed his eyes for “longer than three seconds,” which she explained is called an “eye shutter.”
“Eye shutter is a subconscious nonverbal cue that someone gives when they want to block out information,” she said.
Karen Donaldson, a communication and body language expert, also noted that Powell had occasionally closed his eyes during that moment, and she said that gesture, coupled with shaking his head “no,” communicates disagreement or disapproval.
Trump's Body Language During Awkward Exchange With Jerome Powell Spoke Volumes, Experts Say
Kimberley Richards
Fri, July 25, 2025 at 7:14 PM EDT·7 min read
304
President Donald Trump’s visit to the Federal Reserve this week produced some awkward soundbites. But body language experts think there were several nonverbal moments between Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell that spoke volumes.
Even though presidents rarely visit the politically independent central bank, Trump on Thursday toured the building, which is being renovated.
Trump and members of his administration have been publicly lambasting Powell for months over the Fed’s unwillingness to lower interest rates. The president has previously called on Powell to resign before his term ends in May 2026, and he’s referred to the Fed chair as a “numbskull.”
Furthermore, Trump had criticized the Fed’s renovation of two historic buildings prior to his visit on Thursday. His administration has accused Powell of mismanaging the project, with Trump calling the renovations “disgraceful,” The Associated Press reported.
On Thursday, Trump stood next to Powell at the construction site and told reporters that the cost of the renovations amounted to approximately $3.1 billion, saying it “went up a little bit — or a lot” while Powell shook his head in disagreement.
Trump then insisted his numbers were correct as he took out a piece of paper to confirm the costs. But when Powell saw the paper, he pointed out that the president was incorrectly factoring in the price of renovations on a third building that had been completed five years prior.
“Oh, you’re including the Martin renovation? You just added in a third building,” Powell said. “That’s a third building.”’
“Well, I know, but it’s a building that’s being built,” Trump responded.
“No. It was built five years ago,” Powell corrected him. “We finished Martin five years ago ... It’s not new.”
Trump signaled to reporters following the tour that he would not be seeking to fire Powell, saying he didn’t think it would be “necessary” and that he believes the Fed chair is “going to do the right thing,” he said, per the AP.
But people online have still had a lot to say about the cringey tour. So we talked to body language experts, and they say there’s a lot more to take away from the president’s visit to the Federal Reserve on Thursday.
President Donald Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell confer during the president's visit to the Federal Reserve on July 24, 2025.
President Donald Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell confer during the president's visit to the Federal Reserve on July 24, 2025. ANDREW CABALLERO-REYNOLDS via Getty Images
Powell’s body language said a lot during his back-and-forth with Trump over renovation costs.
Patti Wood, a body language and nonverbal communication expert and author of “SNAP: Making the Most of First Impressions, Body Language, and Charisma,” said that before Trump provided his $3.1 billion figure, Powell’s shoulders were drooping slightly, with his mouth in a “tight downward frown.”
“He knows something bad is coming,” she told HuffPost. She later noted that after Trump shared his estimate, Powell “immediately and dramatically” turned his head to Trump, gave him a “razor sharp glare of anger” and then rapidly shook his head “no.”
“This is fascinating, as very few people actually shake their heads [‘no’] when Trump makes a false statement, making what would typically be a rather innocuous back-and-forth head shake an indication of Powell’s personal confidence,” she said.
Wood also noted that while shaking his head, Powell closed his eyes for “longer than three seconds,” which she explained is called an “eye shutter.”
“Eye shutter is a subconscious nonverbal cue that someone gives when they want to block out information,” she said.
Karen Donaldson, a communication and body language expert, also noted that Powell had occasionally closed his eyes during that moment, and she said that gesture, coupled with shaking his head “no,” communicates disagreement or disapproval.
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