Future of TCS

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Simon Franks

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:31:40 AM6/4/18
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What's people's views on TCS now that PCS has been used for a few weeks/months?  We are still using TCS 11 with Yacadu and it's working fine, but I'd be interested to learn about other people's experiences and comparisons with PCS.

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Lynn Allen

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:41:54 AM6/4/18
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I am to having issues with trying to upload to play cricket using Yacadu, also STILL having trouble trying to send short report….

They did say they would look at this But still NOT herd if they have corrected it.

Nice to know its not just me!



On 4 Jun 2018, at 14:31, 'Simon Franks' via Total Cricket Scorer <total-cric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

What's people's views on TCS now that PCS has been used for a few weeks/months?  We are still using TCS 11 with Yacadu and it's working fine, but I'd be interested to learn about other people's experiences and comparisons with PCS.

cheers

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Richard Ashby

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:45:21 AM6/4/18
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Used TCS for 7/8 seasons and thought it great. However I find that PCS is very impressive and would certainly recommend it above TCS. You have to get used to the way it works - using a dummy match is useful. I love all the information on view and when video is incorporated this will program be incredible. There are a few things that I liked about TCS that are not on PCS, but PCS is the winner for me. I have not had the problems that some have experienced and my club loves it!


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Simon Franks

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:47:01 AM6/4/18
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I've not had an issue with the upload using Yacadu.  What issues have you had?  Richard has been very helpful if you email him direct.


On Monday, 4 June 2018 14:41:54 UTC+1, Easyscorer wrote:
I am to having issues with trying to upload to play cricket using Yacadu, also STILL having trouble trying to send short report….

They did say they would look at this But still NOT herd if they have corrected it.

Nice to know its not just me!

On 4 Jun 2018, at 14:31, 'Simon Franks' via Total Cricket Scorer <total-cric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

What's people's views on TCS now that PCS has been used for a few weeks/months?  We are still using TCS 11 with Yacadu and it's working fine, but I'd be interested to learn about other people's experiences and comparisons with PCS.

cheers

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Simon Franks

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:48:42 AM6/4/18
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What about the Live Scoring?  I think TCS Live Scores are very good and look much better than the integration on Play-Cricket or the Play-Cricket Live App that doesn't seem to work.


On Monday, 4 June 2018 14:45:21 UTC+1, Richell wrote:
Used TCS for 7/8 seasons and thought it great. However I find that PCS is very impressive and would certainly recommend it above TCS. You have to get used to the way it works - using a dummy match is useful. I love all the information on view and when video is incorporated this will program be incredible. There are a few things that I liked about TCS that are not on PCS, but PCS is the winner for me. I have not had the problems that some have experienced and my club loves it!


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 14:31, 'Simon Franks' via Total Cricket Scorer
What's people's views on TCS now that PCS has been used for a few weeks/months?  We are still using TCS 11 with Yacadu and it's working fine, but I'd be interested to learn about other people's experiences and comparisons with PCS.

cheers

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jrso249nr

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Jun 4, 2018, 9:55:47 AM6/4/18
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TCS v11 works perfectly and suits our needs.  Our club, which plays friendly declaration cricket, has a number of scorers, most of them using TCS, who export the matches and email the XML files to me for collation and publication. It is simple and effective and provides a local database for producing statistics etc.  PCS Pro seems to be a powerful alternative, but far too all embracing for us. I can't imagine our 'wandering club' opponents loading their teams in advance!

Richard Ashby

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Jun 4, 2018, 10:08:00 AM6/4/18
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Clubs that use Play-Cricket for their fixtures and statistics, PCS Pro is ideal.  Adding players seems no more difficult than in TCS, as many teams I meet do not upload their players before hand. With PCS you have the players available to select, and if not on play-cricket, can be done locally, as in TCS. I print the scorebook for our records, but not sure if it can be exported as an XML file.

 

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John Child

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Jun 4, 2018, 5:11:39 PM6/4/18
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I am quite keen to use PCS-Pro because I also like the layout better than TCS.  However until the output file can be converted to an XML file or similar so that I can post the scorecard to our website and not have to do it manually, I shall continue to use TCS. 
Also although I haven't tried it recently I failed abysmally to master the PCS Live scores when I scored our first match of the season on PCS Pro. Has this ben sorted yet? 
One more point the noise of leather on willow that you get from TCS after every entry is a vital asset, one that PCs Pro needs to incorporate.
Due to my own inadequacies not TCS, I've had a few issues with LiveScores recently which have now been sorted and must say that the help you get from TCS when any issue crops up is second to none.  I even got a reply on the Sunday of a bank holiday to my utter surprise.

John Child, Mildenhall CC

Mary Tibbs

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Jun 5, 2018, 5:09:48 AM6/5/18
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I have been using TCS now for many many years and am not eager to change to ProScorer.  I have no problems using Yacadu - thanks to the chap who wrote it - and the TCS help desk are very helpful.  I actually emailed them with a problem re Live Scores during the game on Sunday and it was fixed within a couple of minutes.   I feel  a lot safer with a program - TCS - that actually keeps all the data in an XML data base on my computer.   I have scored with several people using ProScorer who tell me about the wonderful features on it - but there is nothing in there that you cannot do with TCS!  

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fewdots

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Jun 5, 2018, 10:28:35 AM6/5/18
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They don't need to have picked their team in Play-Cricket for PCS Pro because all of their squad players are available for selection on download. However, unlike TCS, they only appear in your local database once they've played in a match.

fewdots

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Jun 5, 2018, 10:34:49 AM6/5/18
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Mary, there are several things that you can do with PCS Pro that are not available with other programs. The most important, in my opinion, is the ability to be able to reload the latest version of the match from the server. As Live Scorer, I've had a few occasions to restore my colleague's system from the server.

Mary Tibbs

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Jun 5, 2018, 10:59:52 AM6/5/18
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TCS is an XML data base held on your own computer. Always up to date! No need to reload!  Have never had any problems. 

fewdots

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Jun 5, 2018, 12:03:23 PM6/5/18
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Much as I dislike having to point out your error, TCS is actually an Access database whereas XML is a markup language for encoding documents.  You are very lucky if you have had no problems, because I know many who have had to send their matches/databases for repair. You've also been lucky if you've never scored with a colleague who has made a serious error or whose computer has crashed. With PCS Pro you also have all of your fixtures held locally in individual data files, as well as on a remote server.  When I get home from a match, I open a version of PCS Pro on my desktop, download my matches from the server, so have a duplicate of all my matches on a second device. No licence required.

I was a huge supporter of TCS, which is why the original developers asked me to manage this group almost 10 years ago, but was very badly let down by CricHQ who promised the earth but delivered no more than grains of sand.  I'm not saying that the new owners aren't doing an admirable job, but I fear what will happen to all those connecting to Play-Cricket if that option becomes unavailable. As it happens, under the terms of our MoU with the ECB, all counties in my league are required to use PCS Pro and the general consensus is that it is the preferred option anyway; particularly with it's connection to electronic scoreboards for the price of a cable!

Mary Tibbs

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Jun 5, 2018, 3:53:34 PM6/5/18
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Sorry not to have got back to you earlier but I was scoring in the wilds of Bedfordshire - hence my hurried reply.  I thought we were meant to be just giving our opinions.  I have been using TCS for well over 12 years now and - sorry - I have never had it crash on me.  What I meant was that the data is all held on your computer and if required you can send the XML output to a fellow scorer if their computer did crash.  I will carry on with TCS until someone can really prove to me that PCS Pro is better.  I have had a couple of fellow scorers having problems this season.  I will leave it until next year before I try it.

Richard Burden

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Jun 5, 2018, 4:20:08 PM6/5/18
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If anyone has a problem uploading with Yacadu please send me the XML export file and I'll see where the problem lies.
There are known problems

1 You may be unable to login using your ECB username in the Yacadu page. This appears to be a problem with the ECB SSO process and can usually be solved by resetting your ECB password to the same as it currently is.

2 If a match does not already exist on P-C you will be unable to upload it.

3 If the match id is different, for example you have downloaded a fixture which has then been deleted and re-created on P-C you will be unable to upload it.

Interestingly on Sunday the 'live score' feed to Play-Cricket failed ( it is routed via a server in New Zealand) the only live results in the Unicorns T20 competition appearing on P-C were from TCS/Yacadu.

Richard

Richard Burden

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Jun 5, 2018, 4:25:24 PM6/5/18
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I know of several instances of the PCS local database and/or log files becoming corrupted which makes the whole package unusable. I strongly advise everyone to make regular backups of the MDF and LOG files.

Richard

Richard Burden

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Jun 6, 2018, 10:29:17 AM6/6/18
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The 'live scores' on Play-Cricket are pretty ghastly - the webpage seems to require a regular refresh which on mobile devices collapses the second innings panel which you then have to open again.
 
I've written a distributor for the PCS - Scoreboard XML file which uploads the live scores to a webserver.
The webpage displays score updates instantaneously - no refresh, updates are delivered by asynchronous sockets. The display is optimised for mobile devices but of course runs on any browser



 
 

Richard Burden

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Jun 6, 2018, 11:12:55 AM6/6/18
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Just realised that the posted pictures are from the old template - the newer one reduces the font size so the complete how out section is visible.

I think NVPlay may have a more significant problem with mobile displays

 

Jonathan Burnstone

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Jun 6, 2018, 12:06:39 PM6/6/18
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Richard, I have been using PCSP this season - fine for scoring, but live scores not so great as you say... lagging, constant refresh required, and the P-C Live Scores App is so ‘clunky’ as to be virtually useless. Can you tell me a little more about how your distributor works? Am I able to download and install it? Where would the livescores be hosted and would the URL change match-by-match? Could we, in theory, display the live scorecard integrated into our Club webpages?
Many thanks for any info.
Jonathan

Richard Burden

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Jun 7, 2018, 1:22:31 AM6/7/18
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Jonathan,
I'll send you an email.
Richard

Keith

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Jul 29, 2018, 1:30:26 PM7/29/18
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I use TCS - simply the software I have got used to.

I guess PCS works just as well


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I'm into my 3rd year of using TCS. Version 11 has proved to be very stable, no crashes in 2018 or 2019 so far.
I went to a presentation last year about PCS - while PCS is equally as capable as TCS I'm in no rush to change.
I'm also a member of the PCS Google forum, which I monitor. There still seems to be many comments and issues around PCS, downloading fixtures, updating from the server etc.

Not convinced it is any better than TCS. Not too interested in all the fancy stuff like Twitter and video feeds, my club hasn't got an electronic scoreboard and the mobile network has a poor signal out in the countryside where my club is based. Indeed some clubs we play at, don;t even have electrical power to the ground, do its book scoring by hand. So results still have to be entered into the Play-Cricket system by hand, as our League also use PCS/Play-Cricket


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Phil Wolski - Colchester & EE CC

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Sep 12, 2019, 3:15:48 AM9/12/19
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Have just completed my second full season using PCS Pro. All the early teething problems have been eliminated and I consider it vastly superior to TCS (which I previously used for five years).

1. Error correction is superior. You don't even have to change screen.
2. Swapping wrongly selected bowlers or batsmen is simple.
3. The layout is now flexible - you choose the features you want.
4. Automatically drives ESU/Durrant/FSL scoreboard. No licence fee (just buy a cable).
5. The Match Centre system for live scores is brilliant (mimics the counties).
6. You can easily Chromecast a scoreboard to your pavilion TV (or use HDMI).
7. I have embraces sight screen video - not difficult or expensive considering benefits.
8. I now live stream Matches to the Internet, including action replays.
9. Scorers can do automatic end of over comparisons. Errors immediately identified.
10. Interface with Play Cricket is seamless. Player databases sound etc.


Using PCS Pro and its advance features has changed the culture of my club as regards its professionalism, coaching, including pavilion entertainment and economic benefits. We now have more active supporters and people follow games broadcast live whilst overseas. It is easy to monetarise video and the system (The first employed in the Essex League) has paid for itself inside a season.

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