TCS Download Option on PCS

[Simon Franks]

Anyone seen this?  If you still have V8 this will be very useful to you.

[Phil Bates]

How are you doing this Simon?  In v8 when I hit the download button I get the unable to connect to the internet message.

[Simon Franks]

This is in the Play Cricket Admin section not TCS.  TCS downloading has been stopped and you will need to use this or see the alternative thread about the new software developed by Richard.  There's an issue with the Play-Cricket download for me as at present it will not download from Play-Cricket.  I have emailed PCS support for assistance.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-GB#!topic/total-cricket-scorer/VjGt9mCpoZ0

[Phil Bates]

Ah I see, it's in the drop down menu under your login name, this will be the new facility that was introduced yesterday and fingers crossed should also work on v9

[Martin]

Hi Simon

That's brilliant. Presumably if it's an xml file it will also work/import into v9? If not then I fear it will only be any use in v8 until the changes to the laws come in after October and - as v8 is no longer supported/updated v8 will then become redundant. But until then.........fantastic

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 10:18:51 UTC+1, Simon Franks wrote:

[Phil Bates]

Anyone managed to open a file yet?  I've hit the download button and then in both v8 & v9 tried to import but get an error "Failed to open file"

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 10:18:51 UTC+1, Simon Franks wrote:

[Martin]

Yep - I appear to have been praising this before trying it as same thing happens to me  -  error: "Failed to open file" - I can download easily enough but not managed to actually import anything into TCS as yet. Anyone any ideas?

[Phil Bates]

Just had an email from Anna on the helpdesk who says that the facility is still in testing and shouldn't have been released.

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 10:18:51 UTC+1, Simon Franks wrote:

[Richard]

What you get is a <Play-Cricket> xml file which is NOT a TCS import file - certainly there is no way this can be imported into TCS 9

I don't have version 8 - is there an option on V8 to import an P-C file (rather than a standard TCS xml) ?

Be aware that the in the P-C download file the PCIDs for club, team etc are all different from the actual IDs now in use on Play-Cricket , they are using the old IDs from before the revamp. I'm not sure whether these get translated back to the new IDs if you manage to import the file and upload the result. I've asked the question and will update you all.

[Richard]

I've managed to locate a TCS 8 installer but only a demo version - does this button work for importing the P-C fixture download?

[Phil Bates]

No change Richard, still get the failed to open file message.  As I understand it you will only be able to download a match not upload that will have to be done manually.

[Richard]

I understand from the ECB that they need to change the file format - they are working on it.

[Simon Franks]

Uploads from V8 are working. I have all my XML's downloaded from April and the uploads work fine.  If this function works from PC I will stay with V8 as I can live without Live Scores for the moment.

[Richard]

It would be good advice for everyone who can live with V8 to carry on using it. You wont be able to mix and match P-C fixtures and results as the legacy download when its working uses the old P-C ids for the sites (clubs) and teams.

 

[fewdots]

Yes, this button does work and, this morning, I have downloaded and imported my weekend fixture from Play-Cricket into both V8 and v9 of TCS.  I shall score the match in v9, thus taking advantage of Live Scores and at CoP each day, I will export from v9, import to v8 and upload to Play-Cricket.  Chuffed, really chuffed!

On Thursday, 13 July 2017 06:04:40 UTC+1, Richard wrote:

[Phil Bates]

Just check on the v8 import that it has brought the No 1 player for the home team across because when I did it it only had ten players, v9 was fine.  I've reported it to the helpdesk but they may not do anything as v8 is no longer supported by CricHQ

[fewdots]

Yes, full teams imported to v8 and v9....but then I was using the same download file, so that's what I would have expected!  Was your opening batsman a new player by any chance?

[Phil Bates]

No, I also used the same file and tried it several times I've even download the file again, but still the same.  With me when you hit the import button it first shows all the details with both teams, then click import, click next and then when it shows the home team the player that was at the top of the list hasn't been brought over, complete the import but there is only 10 players in the team sheet.

[Phil Bates]

Just tried again with the 2nd XI and this time it was No 11 that didn't get copied over but still only 10 men

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 10:18:51 UTC+1, Simon Franks wrote:

[fewdots]

No, I promise you I have 2 complete teams downloaded.  This is my match for the weekend and the only player that hasn't come down is the 12th man, but that's always been the same.

11 players in each team.  I'm a League Admin and have discovered that I can download any fixture from the League, so I tried one that had also 'picked' both sides and they've come down okay for the home team (12 players downloaded but 12th missing from scorecard, obviously).  However, on the away team it lists 11 players but the #10 batsman is missing.  I've looked at everything on P-C and in TCS and I can't see anything obviously wrong.  He's in the correct team on both systems so there's no obvious reason for him being de-selected.  Fact is, I think there have always been anomalies in TCS and I've often had to add back in a player that had been Picked in P-C.  I've also inspected the xml file and that is complete.

Basically, I think that TCS is handling this file in exactly the same way as it's done for years and I'm just happy that the ECB have found a solution.

Happy weekend

Chris

[Gramar (Graham Riddy)]

Hi there, great news. I've dowloaded from P-C to both v8 and v9 and everything is OK.

Happy scoring everybody!

Graham

[wolski...@gmail.com]

The new <Download> from P-C; then <Import fixture> did work in TCS 9.0 yesterday, which did help me save time setting up today's fixture. But I knew <upload> was disabled in TCS 9.0 (Grrrr!); but having half a loaf is better than none.

So today I used TCS 9.0; broadcast live scores and enjoyed automated DLS 2016 to my electronic scoreboard. What joy compared to the previous manual posting of DLS 'over by over' from a paper sheet. OK, it later did take me 30 minutes to manually <upload> the result/scorecard to Play Cricket, but live scores is evidently what my 'customer' seems to want most (see below).

Tonight, I again tried <import fixture> for my next fixture and TCS 9.0 now says "can't select more than 0 players". Hmmmnn! Quite evidently, yesterday's new functionality has 'bombed' in the later version (I wonder how/why?). But then, ECB never expected it to work with TCS 9.0, but it was a bonus that it did for one day.

However, the new functionality does still work with TCS 8.0, but for how long? New regulations will impact from October and one can be sure that unsupported TCS 8.0 won't be enhanced. Hence, ECB (IMHO) simply must agree commercial terms with CricHQ, else TCS will soon become a non-viable tool with Play Cricket. Then, an army of fed-up volunteer scorers that want a Laptop application with a proper keyboard and proper screen might simply give up. Frankly, I feel there is an underestimation of the strength of feeling and of the potential impact if no prompt resolution. Neither side emerges with any credit.

Fortunately, I have available both TCS 8.0 and TCS 9.0. I am now struggling to decide whether the upload/download feature of TCS 8.0 is more valuable to me than the live scores/DLS of TCS 9.0. I do know if I cease broadcasting live scores then my life in the scorebox will become miserable (too many phone calls and moans from parents etc.). The sad facts are that our typical 'customers' actually want us to use TCS 9.0 to provide live scores and most probably don't care if we are last in the bar after a tedious manual result <upload>.

Phil Wolski
Scorer
Colchester & East Essex CC
Essex Cricket Board.

[Colin Barthorpe]

Very well put Phil. I will see if this works for my game today but I have already decided this is my last season. 

How did it come to this?

Colin

Shropshire XXX Scorer 

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[fewdots]

Hi Phil

There is no reason why your download to v9 shouldn't work so I think it may be related to your match type.  You can download your file and import okay to v8, so v9 should be the same.  The fact that your message is that you can't select players indicates that it is your Match Type that is incorrect.  If you don't have the same Match Types set in v9 as you do in v8, you could export it from 8 & import to 9 (Data tab).

You will also, at CoP, be able to export your match from v9 and import it to v8 for upload to Play-Cricket so, for those of us that have both versions available, we do have a complete solution.

I'm sure there will be a solution for us next season.

Chris

[Phil Bates]

I had the same problem but the match type which was new had the number of players set to 0 also details for overs etc. were all set to default.

[wolski...@gmail.com]

Cheers Chris,

I will try that as it sounds plausible. I do routinely create my own unique 'match types' because I find that league and competition organisers rarely set them up fully to meet my local scoreboard needs. For example; SNEL embraces both limited overs and timed matches in the same competition; and as my scoreboard has additional features (e.g. like 'overs remaining', 'DLS' and 'runs required' {depleting} I hence need to embrace different scoreboard settings for each match format. The problem is that once you have spent a 'match type' on one format (limited overs), you have to create a new for the other format (timed) in the SAME comptition, so it becomes impossible to retain the same 'match type' name for all.  Also, how often have we all been caught out by '2 for a no-ball' or the wrong settings for extras in the last over (only once I hope....!)?

Your suggestion might possibly offer the solution and I now have TCS 8.0 and TCS 9.0 available on the same laptop. I think this is because I elected to download a new TCS 9.0 rather than <upgrade> from within TCS 8.0. I have since been experimenting with <download><import fixture> to initially set up matches in TCS 8.0 and then migrate them into TCS 9.0 by first <exporting> to overwrite the original downloaded file then <import fixture> into TCS 9.0. This works fine, provide that you consistently retain the same numeric file name. However, I have then (so far) failed to <export> the file back to TCS 8.0 to upload to Play Cricket from there. If you have worked out a definitive process, do tell, but it seems to me that TCS 9.0 <import> files are backwards compatible; but not TCS 9.0 <export> files.

I am sure somebody will crack this!

 Regards

Phil Wolski

On Sunday, 16 July 2017 10:57:04 UTC+1, fewdots wrote: