UK Users - An important update from CricHQ . . . . . .
Cliff Shelley
Historically ECB's Play-Cricket integrated with both TCS and CricHQ scoring applications allowing matches to be downloaded, scored and uploaded. The ECB has decided not to agree commercial terms to enable CricHQ's continued provision of this service. As a result, Play-Cricket users are no longer able to utilise this service.
New or existing CricHQ and TCS scoring application customers utilising the CricHQ platform for their competition management are still able to activate a separate "platform to platform" (CricHQ to Play-Cricket.com) data sharing function with Play-Cricket.com. This function means that our customers can choose to provide access to all of the cricket data that the ECB would like and in the manner specified by them should they agree to enable this service. This service, driven by CricHQ, has already provided 1,000's of scoresheets to Play-Cricket.com and the ECB, saving countless thousands of hours of volunteer's time.
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mrfelinfoel
This e-mail from CricHQ worries me too. I have used TCS for over 10 years and it is so easy to download a fixture, score the game and then upload the result. Downloading the fixture also downloads all the league registered players from both clubs. Not being able to download the fixtures for the coming season will cause a lot of extra work for scorers and clubs.
Is this because the ECB are bringing out their own scoring system? But this is only for tablets & phones, not laptops.
John Davies
Jonathan Burnstone
Add me to the list of those that are totally confused - if fixtures and league registered players can no longer be downloaded from P-C, this is going to make life very difficult. In addition, the email mentions something about the new TCS v9 no longer being able to drive compatible electronic scoreboards!? We are just forking out several thousand on a new electronic board for this very purpose!
Hoping that when I've calmed down and read things thoroughly, they won't seem as bad as they first appear...
Jonathan Burnstone
Marshfield CC
fewdots - TCS Support Volunteer
Can I implore everyone to apply pressure on the ECB to get this resolved. It's too close to the season and there's been too much investment by leagues and clubs to have this facility withdrawn at such short notice.
Simon Winder
will let you all know ASAP
Regards
Simon
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> The email says that they have failed to agree terms with the ECB. Whether this is true or a ploy to get us on the CricHQ platform is not clear to me.
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> Can I implore everyone to apply pressure on the ECB to get this resolved. It's too close to the season and there's been too much investment by leagues and clubs to have this facility withdrawn at such short notice.
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Simon Winder
Also the CricHQ email also says that they have not agreed terms with with the ECB, so it is unclear where any / the fault for failing to agree terms lies.
Obviously a lot of people will be concerned as it may affect league policies and create more work for us volunteers, but perhaps better to find facts before acting.
Anyone know more than me?
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> Can I implore everyone to apply pressure on the ECB to get this resolved. It's too close to the season and there's been too much investment by leagues and clubs to have this facility withdrawn at such short notice.
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Chris Emery
Hi Chris,
The play-cricket integration won't be available this season, in spite of our best efforts the ECB has not agreed to allow us to continue with this service.
Can you provide me a link to TCS page you mention as all references were meant to have been removed?
Moving forward we're still keen to work with as many leagues/clubs as possible. If Stafford would like to know more about using CricHQ for club & competition management then please let me know. Additionally I don't yet have a showcase club for our new video technology in Staffordshire, if this is of interest?
Let me know if you have any other comments/questions.
Best wishes,
Stewart
I thought this day would come. Personally I don't think it's the Ecb that are stopping criqhq as they are very keen on sharing the api and developing partnerships as we can see from their link with Pitchero.
I thought as soon as I heard of the purchase of TCS by criqhq that it would lead to the death of TCS. It's a shame Ecb didn't get there first.
Most will agree that last season was not great for TCS anyway. The support when things went wrong was virtually non existent. Our league saw our Ecb monies.cut due to live scores not showing but this was down to the TCS website functionality.
Criqhq are removing the functionality as they want you to switch to their services.
I hope nobody does as what they are doing is unacceptable.
Chris Emery
North Staffs and South Cheshire Premier Cricket League
mrfelinfoel
I don't know how many of us are members of the ECBACO but if the ECB are not willing to agree terms with CricHQ over the use of play-cricket would it b worth us requesting a refund of our membership fees? Many of us have used TCS for years, buying the upgrades when needed and investing in live score licences. To now be told that version 9 will be free but version 8 will then cease to work is a joke!! I have bought version 8 and should still be able to use it - if I buy a game for the Playstation or X Box and a year later they bring out a new version of the game the old version doesn't stop working. We deserve to be treated far better after all TCS wouldn't be the product it is without our support over the years.
My club plays in the South Wales Cricket Association which is linked to play-cricket. We have league registered players and by downloading the fixtures from play-cricket it makes things so easy as you can download the team squads too. Being unable to do this will mean hours of extra work in setting up fixtures and player databases. My club was promoted last year so it means we will be playing 8 new teams this year
The ECB are bringing out their own scoring package but it will only be for I-phone, I-Pad and Android phones and tablets NOT for laptops. To have this thrown at us just 6 weeks away from the start of the season is a disgrace. The ECBACO use TCS as part of their scorer training and those doing exams this winter will find they no longer have the capabilities that they have been taught on the courses.
John Davies
Scorer Felinfoel CC, Wales Women, Wales 50+ & MCC Scorers Panel
TIM REDSELL
On Sunday, 5 March 2017 20:42:05 UTC, Cliff Shelley wrote:
TIM REDSELL
On Sunday, 5 March 2017 20:42:05 UTC, Cliff Shelley wrote:
fewdots - TCS Support Volunteer
"I understand and can only confirm that we are trying to act as an honest broker between the parties - on behalf of scorers and scoring.
I will keep in touch"
We can but hope that both parties will see sense. In the meantime, create as much noise as you can!
The problem is that CricHQ are trying to take over league administration from ECB but, because we rely on the latter for funding, this will never happen.
I wonder how much it would cost to buy TCS back????
ParksFreck
mrfelinfoel
http://www.play-cricket.com/updates says Free to download on mobile and tablet devices so obviously no laptop version
Jonathan Burnstone
Let's hope something can be sorted as I don't fancy jumping in at the deep end with an untested mobile app (Play Cricket Scorer) which, as far as I'm aware, won't do several things I was hoping to do this season, including driving our new electronic scoreboard.
Phil Bates
I think this is a very bad move by CricHQ, like many of us here I funded TCS myself as being a member of a small club funds are very tight. Unless the league direct us to do so we will not be moving away from Play-Cricket - why move from a free service to one that costs, what are the incentives to do so? Providing the new Play-Cricket app does the job I will be happy to use it, my County Scorer Officer has been testing it and I think he has provided the data for the promo material. Many of the teams we play don't have a scorebox or if they do they don't have power, so using an iPAD will at least allow me to score a whole match on one charge and if the app isn't that good manually entering a result from TCS into Play-Cricket isn't a big deal.
It will be nice if they can agree terms but I won't hold my breath for this season.
Phil
ParksFreck
Simon Winder
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Phil Bates
Hi Phil,
I understand your frustration. We have sent two proposals to the ECB since last season and they have opted not to sign off either.
Both quotes, for data share & development, were incredibly fair in terms of pricing. In the past we have provided all of our services (both TCS & CricHQ) free of charge as a gesture of goodwill in the hope of one day formalising a commercial working agreement. They have now contracted provision of a similar service to a competitor of CricHQ for a substantial investment. We have gone back to the ECB and provided a separate proposal specifically for play-cricket.com integration and been offered nothing in return.
Appreciate it isn't what you will want to hear but it really is out of our hands.
Do let me know if you have any other comments/questions.
Best wishes,
Stewart
On 6 March 2017 at 12:35, Phil Bates
Stewart,
Can I say how disappointed I am in receiving this news, which in my opinion is far from exciting.
I score for a small club and like all clubs of a similar size funds are extremely tight so any thought of paying to move from a free league endorsed website to an annual subscription site that gives no added benefit would be laughed out by the committee.
I have funded the use of TCS for scoring to make my life easier, many of it's features are overkill for us but to be able to interface with Play-Cricket and Cricket Statistics for Windows made it worthwhile. When I was lucky enough to win one of the 5 fully licensed copies of V8 last year I was really looking forward to the coming season, obviously I haven't used it, I haven't even activated it and now I've found I never will and if the new Play-Cricket app proves to be fit for purpose I will not use TCS again.
It is my view that it is a big mistake by CricHQ to be unable to agree terms with Play-Cricket, there are many very small clubs out there that would love to use electronic scoring but the overhead is too great. We are required by our league to use Play-Cricket for fixtures and to post results, now with the opportunity to use a free scoring app will bring modern technology within the reach of the smallest of clubs.
I hope agreement can be reached in the future but I won't hold my breath.
Kind Regards,
Phil
Craig Kell
Ridiculous if that's the case especially when the CricHQ and Play Cricket scoring apps aren't compatible with the device that I use! :-(
mrfelinfoel
Good afternoon John,
Stewart
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That tells me that this is all about money and that CricHQ are demanding an unreasonable fee from the ECB for the 'honour' of allowing their software - TCS & CricHQ - to interface with OUR governing body's platform.
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Cliff Shelley
On Sunday, 5 March 2017 20:42:05 UTC, Cliff Shelley wrote:
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Geoff Maddocks
Phil Bates
Geoff Maddocks
How long will I have to upgrade to TCS V9?
The process will begin early to mid March. There will be 4 weeks of transition time where we will communicate with all users the impact of the changes, and provide full support in the transition. After the 4 weeks users will no longer be able to score with previous versions of TCS. Our support will remain after these 4 weeks though to ensure anyone needing to upgrade after this is still assisted in the transition.
This is complete BS. I have V8 and use to upload scores to Play-Cricket. I have tested and it doesn't communicate with TCS or Crichq. Unless they have built in an expiry to the software (highly unlikely) then the software will keep working. What's more, the integration with PC is direct and will keep working as long as the ECB leaves their side of the integration live. So as long as you don't upgrade, then you'll be able to use the older versions for as long as you like. What you won't get however is support which they weren't providing anyway. If they have built in an expiry then this is illegal and I'll be taking action if I don't get a refund. The software license had no expiry and they can't enforce this now
fewdots - TCS Support Volunteer
Phil Bates
I think you have summed it up when you say that as long as the ECB keeps the TCS integration active and in past years I haven't been able to download any fixtures until just before the start of the season so the ECB must apply some control during the off season, from what I can see CricHQ currently doesn't have any UK League/Club fixtures. As I said in my last post there's got to be a new release of the base website software as otherwise we can't display live scores or use other features from the new scoring app on what we have now, so don't be surprised if it doesn't support TCS V8 after the update.
I would expect that an activated copy of V8 will still work in stand alone mode, live scoring won't work and you will have to manually create new fixtures and then manually enter the data into the p-c results until you have to reinstall TCS from the .exe and then you won't be able to activate it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't change the name of TCS.
Phil
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I assume I will still be able to do this on version 8 or 9.
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> A very good point made about data protection, CricHQ is a New Zealand company and their support operation is run out of India so where are their servers located, NZ or India or both? When they had problems with live scores last season it seemed that it was the servers in NZ that were causing the problems, can't see them having a server farm here now that ECB has kicked them out.
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wolski...@gmail.com
It is illegal to export sensitive personal data beyond the EU without the express permission of the individual concerned. How that will change post Brexit is another matter. But today, we simply can't send personal data to India or New Zealand without setting up a consensual process. XML score sheets and live scores were NOT sensitive personal data, but if using the CricHQ platform for league, player and team management that opens up a huge can of data protection worms if the servers are located outside the EU. I have had to become a 'Data Protection Controller' registered with the Information Commisioners Office for my table tennis club for very similar reasons. This could be a nightmare for small cricket clubs; whereas simple affiliation with UK based ECB Play Cricket isn't so onerous, notably as it is implict that all players, clubs and leagues are afuliated to ECB.
Phil Bates
V8 will still run in stand alone mode and I would think that you could still export out of V8 as the CricHQ servers won't know about you but I don't know about V9, they are talking of charging for XML data so you may have to buy a license to activate export, until they release it we can't tell. The future issue with V8 will be if you ever need to reinstall it as it installs in demo mode - 5 overs to try out but you won't be able to activate it to get the full functionality as their support people won't give you the codes.
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But my aged eyes and fingers struggle to cope with a tiny tablet device screen and its utter lack of tactile keyboard feedback. Unless we see a resolution to this, might we see a host of quality scorers simply give up?
CricHQ should be ashamed because this, in effect, forces individual scorers to pay their TCS ransom for the transfer of xml data to ECB Play Cricket unless ECB quickly bring out a Windows APP. I am hence resigned to manual uploads to Play Cricket for this season as I can't manage or afford the switch to a tablet.
Phil Bates
Ian Thompson
Phil Bates
TIM REDSELL
wolski...@gmail.com
CricHQ has made it very clear that ther new TCS v9 won't permit us to upload data to Play Cricket. Fair enough, that is entirely up to them! But why should we buy an INFERIOR product - especially when v8 works fine?
Frankly, I don't care if ECB and/or CricHQ is to blame; and it sounds to me that both are just as bad as each other! CricHQ could easily come up with a sensible IT support cost that ECB might then sensibly accept. Indeed CricHQ says it has made a sensible proposal and who are we (as customers of TCS) to interfere with such corporate high jinks? But it also seems to me that ECB is possibly wise to ensure that it can never again be held to ransom by an IT supplier, whilst CricHQ were naive to expect anything other than this outcome after acquiring TCS. Frankly, I really DON'T care! This is about my Saturday afternoon and my convienience and my easy life!
Hence, until this is sorted, I won't be bullied into upgrading to v9 and I have turned off 'check for upgrades'. Then, I can't see how CricHQ can ever prevent TCS v8 working with Play Cricket or turn off my scoreboard connectivity. Of course, if my laptop dies then I will have to make a decision (as TCS 8 is a one device licence). Also if ECB Play Cricket has a problem that requires TCS support (for which it won't pay) then we all have a problem. But until this mess is sensibly resolved between the two squabbling parties, I suggest that nobody upgrades, because once you do, then the ONLY way to get your data to Play Cricket is via the CricHQ platform on a 'platform to platform' basis, and then somebody WILL definitely pay, whilst CricHQ will call all the shots. So who do we trust (I suggest nobody!).
Hopefully the new ECB APP will be a viable solution, but it not offering an immediate Windows/PC version is shambolic. But as a temporary solution I propose to run TCS v8 as my mainstream choice that will run my scoreboard and use the ECB APP as 'back up' instead of a (paper) linear score sheet (which TCS can produce).Then I have a choice of TWO routes to get my data into Play Cricket.
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Geoff Maddocks
Phil Bates
Lance Catchpole
Lance Catchpole
Phil Bates
What's the general view of the app amongst your community?
Phil
Geoff Maddocks
Phil Bates
Malcolm
Phil Bates
Phil Bates
TIM REDSELL
On Friday, 10 March 2017 09:13:56 UTC, Geoff Maddocks wrote:
TIM REDSELL
On Friday, 10 March 2017 09:13:56 UTC, Geoff Maddocks wrote:
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Dear John
You may have received a statement from CricHQ informing you of certain changes to the way in which Total Cricket Scorer (TCS) will operate and particularly in respect of the upgrade to V#9.
Here is a short summary designed to give you more information about the current situation:
- The integration between TCS and Play-Cricket is already in place. It's an API setup by the ECB to enable download and upload of fixtures and scorecards - this is what happens with TCS V#8
- CricHQ own TCS. The ECB and CricHQ have not been able to reach reasonable commercial terms for the ongoing sharing of data from CricHQ V#9 to Play-Cricket. As a result, there will be no feed for TCS V#9
Click here to view an FAQ document
To give you some background, during the winter ECB ran a tender process for Play-Cricket Scorer - a new scoring App that will be introduced this season. After a fair and robust tender process, ECB decided to move forward with a different provider. With the aim to get more people interested and involved in the art of scoring.
Therefore if you’re comfortable scoring with a mobile phone or tablet, Play-Cricket Scorer is a free option that will automatically upload game data (including team and player statistics) to Play-Cricket. A similar version is used in state cricket in Australia - you could find it to be a really great solution.
You will be notified when the app is available in the Google Play (Android devices) and App Store (Apple devices), this is expected imminently.
ECB ACO hopes this provides you with more clarity on the current situation.
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mrfelinfoel
Friday 10th March 2016
What does the CricHQ/TCS upgrade email mean to me as a scorer?
The content provided below is based upon all the information currently available to ECB ACO.
I have TCS v8 on my laptop, should I upgrade to TCSv9?
This is optional but recommended by CricHQ. If you wanted to be sure that your copy of TCS will only upgrade when you choose, you can open your TCS software, click on the Tools menu and select
General Settings.
In the lower half of the Options box, you are able to untick the option that says “Check for new version”.
When will I know that TCS v9 is available for upgrade?
Currently licensed TCS users will be given every opportunity to take a free v9 license upgrade through a series of emails from CricHQ which will start once v9 is released.
Should I decide not to upgrade to TCS v9 at the moment, what facilities will be available from my old version of TCS?
• You will be able to download and upload matches from Play-Cricket as normal.
• You will not be able to download or upload matches from the CricHQ platform.
• If you already have a separate live scores license, your matches will continue to be shown on the TCS website in the short term (see section on website migration).
• Your matches will not be shown on the CricHQ platform.
• If you already have a scoreboard licence, TCS will continue to drive the board as normal.
• All existing functions of TCS v8 will continue to work as at present.
• You will not get any support from CricHQ if your software or any of its connecting features malfunctions.
If I decide to upgrade to TCS v9, what functions will be available to me?
• You will not be able to download and upload matches from Play-Cricket.
• You will be able to download and upload matches from the CricHQ platform.
• You will be able to show live scores from your matches on the CricHQ website without having to purchase a Live Scores licence.
• If you already have a scoreboard licence, TCS will continue to drive the board as normal.
• You should have the ability to calculate (and therefore display on a scoreboard) ball-by-ball DLS Professional calculations.
• CricHQ will offer free support for your software and its connecting features.
I have upgraded to TCS v9, how do I get my scorecards shown on Play-Cricket?
You can type them in manually, just like you do when scoring on paper.
If your match is being played in a competition that uses CricHQ for its competition management, then CricHQ can provide a service to transfer your scorecards from CricHQ to Play-Cricket.
Will the TCS website remain in place for the display of Live Scores?
Yes but only in the short term. CricHQ plan to migrate the information from the TCS website to www.crichq.com in 2-3 months’ time.
At this point, the only Live Scores to be displayed will be those
coming from TCS v9 and the CricHQ scoring app.
Will I still be able to export matches from TCS and import them in a different copy of TCS?
Yes, no change is being made to the export/import process, so matches will be able to be passed between computers running the same version of TCS as at present. Whether matches can be passed between computers running different versions of TCS (i.e. v8 to v9 and vice versa) remains to be tested.
Copies of TCS v8 and v9 that export XML files to scoreboards will continue to function as at present (i.e. under the provision of a scoreboard licence).
If you require an XML output to go to a 3rd party to use the data for their own commercial purpose then this will incur a charge, negotiable through CricHQ.
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Latest update received 14/03/17 from CricHQ posted here for reference:
CricHQ
Since our email of 5 March regarding CricHQ and the pending TCS V9 integration with the ECB’s Play-Cricket.com website, we have received several inquiries from existing customers. We’d like to take this opportunity to clarify CricHQ's position for all our customers.
Over the last seven years, CricHQ has invested a significant amount in development, implementation and support costs in the UK cricket market via our own platform.
CricHQ’s commitment to the UK extended to us acquiring, integrating and modernising the delivery platform for Total Cricket Scorer (TCS), providing existing UK customers with a robust PC based solution for digitally scoring cricket matches that will shortly integrate directly with CricHQ, the world’s most comprehensive platform for cricket.
As part of this commitment CricHQ has also developed, managed and delivered "syncing" functionality to the ECB Play-Cricket.com website for UK matches scored on CricHQ and TCS, at CricHQ's cost. During this period, CricHQ has not received a single penny from the ECB for this service. In relation to this functionality we have on a number of occasions requested that the ECB make our data available to CricHQ through this service and provide an assurance that they intend on complying with our data and privacy policies. The ECB has not complied nor even responded to our requests.
In late 2016 as a part of their process to introduce a new ECB branded scoring app, the ECB altered the API structure for Play-Cricket.com "syncing” as noted in the above point, which requires that CricHQ update its API feed to ensure continued integration with Play-Cricket.com. CricHQ accordingly requested a commercial rate of £1200 per day to complete the required API update work, which the ECB has declined to pay. Whilst in the past we have provided our services without expectation of payment, this was due to us investing in a long term strategic partnership with the ECB, which is now less likely given the ECB now has entered a commercial relationship with another technology provider.
Accordingly, the decision has been made by CricHQ that continued investment at our cost alone for the provision of any services including match data capture via either the CricHQ scoring app and TCS to the Play-Cricket.com website is not commercially feasible. This decision has been reached based on customer feedback in the UK that CricHQ provides a far superior integrated cricket platform and is already being rapidly adopted by progressive cricket organisations across the UK. Additionally the ECB has informed us that the Play-Cricket website has a limited shelf life moving forward and that they will be exploring alternative options in the near future.
CricHQ has also invested in a separate function on our platform further providing the ECB Play-Cricket.com website the option to import all matches scored on TCS or CricHQ automatically into to the ECB database, fulfilling all user requirements for providing participant and match data. We have requested that the ECB pay a modest annual fee of £50,000 (less than the average ECB annual salary for one person) for the ongoing provision of this function. With approximately 200,000 fixtures annually, this service saves around 30 minutes of volunteer time manually uploading scorecards for each match which equals about 100,000 hours of volunteer time in total each season. Therefore our conclusion is that the ECB values volunteer time at less than 50p per hour.
CricHQ was invited to respond to the ECB scoring app tender in Q3 last year. At that time we communicated to the ECB that CricHQ had serious concerns with the tender requirements and we would not be formally responding. We felt that the functionality requested was not sufficient and would result in a solution that was not going to meet end user needs. Examples of the limitations in scope included the ECB tender requirements not covering core current CricHQ scoring app and TCS capabilities such as scoreboard integration, Duckworth Lewis Stern integration, MVP formula delivery, Push notifications, In club TV interface, Pitch maps and wagon wheels, and more.
Further, the tender stipulated that the scoring app be “fully functional by 1 February 2017 and live by 1 March”. We advised that these timeframes were not realistic for a standalone solution and carried reputation risk for the delivering company. This has since been borne out by current ECB scoring app release delays. We also believe that building a standalone scoring app prior to the ECB completing their "technology review" would likely lead to a white elephant solution and/or significant additional cost in the long run.
In addition to the difficulties with the technical specification and timeframes of the tender, the ECB's commercial terms were unacceptable to CricHQ. CricHQ was asked to assign all Intellectual property rights to the ECB in return for a commercial commitment of only 1 year.
Despite this, at the time of the ECB tender, CricHQ presented an alternative proposal to the ECB's stated requirement for a "white labelled" solution. The ECB chose not to accept our alternate solution, opting for an unproven bespoke solution in contrast to their stipulated tender requirements.
Previously CricHQ has also previously offered an entire platform “white labelled” solution in replacement of Play-Cricket.com. This solution would provide the ECB and its stakeholders with a market leading, complete cricket administration platform, fully integrated with the CricHQ scoring app and TCS, which has already been widely adopted in the UK. The cost of the proposed white label platform solution was minimal and would save the ECB hundreds of thousands of pounds each year when compared to the cost of continuing to support Play-Cricket.com.
Given the above, we feel it is unjust and inaccurate that the ECB is communicating to the effect that CricHQ is ‘holding them to ransom’ over either the syncing, integration or the adoption of an up-to-date platform for managing all elements of cricket. It is also misleading for the ECB to state: "despite our best efforts, it has not yet been possible to reach a sensible commercial agreement with CricHQ to continue to integrate Play-Cricket with CricHQ products".
The reality is that the ECB has not accepted any of our multiple and reasonable commercial options, nor responded to our invitation to suggest an alternate commercial agreement. The ECB has quite simply demanded that CricHQ provide everything totally free of charge (£0).
As of today, the only monetary transaction between the parties has been CricHQ sharing with the ECB 50% of a £100k advertising deal on our app with Natwest.
CricHQ continues to invite the ECB to engage in further discussions.
Yours sincerely,
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Simon Baker | Chief Executive Officer
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As someone who works in IT there is one major principle missing here. Putting
the customer first. CricHQ are doing so by removing fees but their attitude that
these are in turn paid for in excess by ECB, and thus guaranteeing extra
financing from Tembusu Partners, is a corporate attitude towards what is
essentially a voluntary group of people.
It is also false to say that ECB have not financed CricHQ. ECB chose CricHQ over
TCS several years ago despite representations from Paul & Lee. I recall Graeme
Swann promoting CricHQ. the £50,000 fee is excessive - a member of my club
worked on an interface to another web site which did not take him 40+ days
(£50,000 / £1,200) to complete.
50p per hour - I score for free and always have done so. Which means that the
teams I score for don't value me, which is nonsense.
But my biggest issue is customer first. CricHQ are using we scorers as pawns in
a financial game.
I would suggest we gather together our complaints for someone (better than I) to
draft a letter to CricHQ which we all 'sign'.
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Hi Tim
I am a member of the ECBACO and as well as scoring for my local club Felinfoel CC, I also score for the Wales Women, Wales Over 50's and am also on the MCC Scorers Panel. I have used Total Cricket Scorer for over 10 years and it's integration with Play Cricket has been of great value to scorers with the ability to download and upload fixtures.
Obviously to receive a message from CricHQ to say this would no longer be possible with the release of version 9 of TCS has alarmed scorers around the country. In most cases we, the scorers have bought the TCS programme, purchased the updates, live scores licences at their own expense - not passing the cost on to the clubs.
We were told that the ECB would be releasing a statement on the situation over a week ago, but have seen nothing. TCS is a laptop based programme and the new ECB scoring package is not available in this format. This will mean scorers having to purchase tablets / I-pads to be able to use the new scoring app.
I don't know if you have seen this message sent out by CricHQ
John Davies
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If you upgrade to v9 then you'll be able to use the live scores through CricHQ but not sure if it costs money to use their site. Only thought about that after reading this link http://about.crichq.com/cricket-organisation-websites
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