Stupid Business Practices
mr.e
potential customers? My bozo bin is rapidly filling with the names of
idiots who persist in posting binary images. I spend thousands buying
stuff on-line to support my computer jones every year. Evidently
business is so good for some of these dolts that they can do without my
coinage. Oh well.
Bill Jackson
in the item, I open the image. If not I ignore it.
Why do you get pissed off at people who post images? Were you scared by an
image as a child?:)
There seems to be some strange bias against images on this news thread. It
seems to be a carry over from the 300 baud days when images took an age to
load. Now they load fast and only if I want them. the 'paper clip' indicator
of an image on the server if I want to look at it is a zero load factor.
I have no objection to images and neither do most people here. Sympatico
also has no objection. The objection is totally in the eyes of the
users......why.
I have asked this a few times and have not received any valid reply....other
that it is customary.
Well, as bandwidth gets bigger images use less time and the problem goes
away. We should adapt to change and not cling to the old 300 baud patterns.
What is wrong with showing an image for an item for sale? I find I like to
see images on stuff I want to buy. Saves confusion.
As to selling. I do not use images since I have no camera. So I do a search
for an image of the item I am selling and post the URL.
Now that takes up the same space in the downloaded headers and takes as long
to view as an image on the server.
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repatch
remains one image. If OTOH you post an image in usenet it gets replicated
tens of thousands (perhaps more) of times. All of a sudden that tiny little
10k gif you posted is using 100 MB of storage on all the new servers in the
world. If everybody did this the size of this group would jump dramitcally,
news servers would stop carrying it and that would be the end of usenet.
Think about it, how many of you have a news feed from your ISP where
binaries are intact? 1%?
Efficiency is another aspect, usenet is 7bit, so all your 8 bit files have
to be converted to fit into 7 bits, this causes your 10k gif to actually be
about 12k when stored, and 120MB when stored over all the world.
Why do you need an explanation anyways? This is the way it is, this is the
way it has always been, and I have NOT seen a SINGLE reason to change it.
Posting a link to a webspace is easier and cleaner then posting the image
directly.
TTYL
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Karateka
Using your logic, 120MB more is nothing to worry about, it's 120MB out of
perhaps 50GB. And since most ISPs don't carry just x.forsale newsgroups, I
don't think they will send you a Thank you note for saving them 120MB.
K
"repatch" <repa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bill Jackson
earth would anyone get the toronto for sale listings if they were far away.
I can see it being done for those within 100 miles.
Usenet should not download the image, but just a link to the home image.
that means just headers on remote server to the home server where body and
image are located..
Harry Azol
> repatch, Seems a valid reason for a widespread usenet group. But why on
> earth would anyone get the toronto for sale listings if they were far
away.
> I can see it being done for those within 100 miles.
>
Because the internet is global... news administrators don't get paid to go
through each of the 30000+ newsgroups and determine if they should be be
carrying that particular group or not...
Maybe you'd like to do it for free for all the news servers out there?
MM
> mr e, So far I have had no problems with binary images. If I am
> interested in the item, I open the image. If not I ignore it.
>
> Why do you get pissed off at people who post images? Were you scared by
> an image as a child?:)
Bill there is a convention on Usenet - one only posts binaries [and that
includes pictures] in groups that are explicitly setup to allow for
binaries. The name of the group will have binary in the name. There is no
discussion, binaries are not permitted in non-binary newsgroups and many
of us use real newsreaders that don't view images inline. It's a
virus/trojan horse percaution as well. If one wishes to show an image of
what they are selling, simply post an url to a relevant webpage showing
the product.
repatch
reasons remain valid. TTYL
"Bill Jackson" <aur...@feedthecatsympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Karateka
Perhaps, it is a natural evolution of the itnernet that things change,
connections get faster, people put pictures where there was only text
before, movies where there were only stills before. Perhaps if this got out
of hand by people including large pictures or lot of them in one post, I
would think a moderator would do something about it. But look at ezboards,
systems like that are very much like usenet and use pictures. I just don't
see much difference between that and usenet and the few small pictures
people post here don't seem to freak me out.
K
"MM" <Mythical...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Thomas Rohricht
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> I just don't see much difference between that
> and usenet and the few small pictures people post here don't seem to
> freak me out.
Two possibilities here:
1) You don't see it because it doesn't exist.
2) You don't see it because you're one of these people
who always has to be right and can't possibly wrap
your head around an opposing viewpoint.
At least a half-dozen people have very patiently explained the reasons why
*binary* newsgroups exist separately from *non-binary* newsgroups. If you
haven't clued in yet it's doubtful you ever will.
Thomas Rohricht
> I have no objection to images and neither do most people here.
> Sympatico also has no objection. The objection is totally in the eyes
> of the users......why.
>
> I have asked this a few times and have not received any valid
> reply....other that it is customary.
At least a half-dozen people have very patiently explained the reasons why
Karateka
whining here. If you have a problem, write to the moderator or someone who
cares.
Thanks
K
"Thomas Rohricht" <s...@sig.file> wrote in message
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Dave
>
> Leave the decision about picture attachments to moderators and stop your
> whining here. If you have a problem, write to the moderator or someone who
> cares.
You're really kind of slow aren't you? A number of people who
do care have responded to you. As far as moderation goes,
everybody here is the moderator. How we all act as a group
is what makes a newsgroup. You don't want to be part of the
general consensus of the group that's your choice, but don't
expect to benefit from that choice.
Anthony
"Dave" <moor...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Karateka
someone of being slow are in reality slow themselves. You want an argument?
You can't handle an argument. Your logic doesn't hold water. According to
you, most people here want picture attachments because only very few posted
that they have a problem with it, so, using your logic by everyone being a
moderator, the ones that don't respond are fine with it, hence we should
make pictures a regular thing here. Thanks.
K
PS: stop whining, send me direct email with you whines, don't post here
anymore, you make yourselves look more dumb everytime.
"Dave" <moor...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Dave
>
> You are whining again, stop it, bad dog. Damn, sometimes people who accuse
> someone of being slow are in reality slow themselves. You want an argument?
> You can't handle an argument. Your logic doesn't hold water. According to
> you, most people here want picture attachments because only very few posted
> that they have a problem with it, so, using your logic by everyone being a
> moderator, the ones that don't respond are fine with it, hence we should
> make pictures a regular thing here. Thanks.
Very revealing comment. I'd offer rebuttal but it's obvious
you are completely unarmed when it comes to logic. There's no
challenge in attacking someone who is as defenceless as you are.
Karateka
action. I pity you.
K
"Dave" <moor...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Ann Dire
to ezboard ridiculous. Usenet was around way before the www and
implicitly before ezboard. Most ppl who frequent newsgroups do so not
because they haven't heard of ezBoards, but rather because they prefer
an open forum to a forum owned by a commercial interest. Karateka,
your contention that if you have a beef you should take it with the
moderator is not really a solution, since most newsgroups (with fewer
and fewer exceptions) are not moderated. This particular newsgroup
for instance is not moderated. Newsgroups are only as good as the
people who post on them.
One of the rules of netiquette states that you should let the newbies
to clue in on their own and refrain from flaming them, as that will
only waste even more time/bandwidth. Obviously, it's very difficult
to do just that these days, when there's more people who don't know
the rules than those who do.
Before the Internet was a commercial place, people had to actually
learn how to use it. There was no commercial interest trying to get
them to use a site or some stupid app, so the onus was on each user to
learn. Hence, before posting, most people used to read the group's
FAQ. You didn't even have to read the FAQ to know that you don't post
binaries in a group that wasn't specifically designated as such.
It seems to me that those who know should try to pass some knowledge
on to the new kids on the block, and that's what I'll try to do.
Here are the reasons why some people don't like to see binaries in
newsgroups:
Usenet was not originally designed for binaries. The original idea
was a giant bulletin board to foster discussion. Binaries were added
only later. When binaries were added, the convention respected by
everybody was that binaries and discussions don't mix. Binaries have
there own separated newsgroups, and discussions have their place in
other newsgroups. The reason why some people don't want to see
binaries is that they could interfere with certain usage patterns.
For example, some people might prefer to download all the messages in
a newsgroup to their hard drives before reading them. Binaries could
take up all the free disk space quite easily.
Most importantly, images posted on usenet are replicated on every news
server in the entire world. Most news servers have limited disk
space, so a binary image in a discussion group can take up the space
that could've been taken by several other older text only messages,
which are then deleted to make space for it. Images on ezboard, on
the other hand, are usually only stored on that particular webserver.
Even on ezboard, however, most images you see are links to images
stored on posters' websites.
Finally, believe it or not, there are many users who still connect
through dial-up. They expect to find only text in groups that were
designed as such. Won't you accomodate them?
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