GRADING ISSUES -- ALL CIs and DIs RESPOND

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Ryan

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Nov 6, 2007, 6:41:09 PM11/6/07
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Hey Folks,

We have some grading issues to discuss in light of the end-of-semester
crunch.

Mark, I believe you're done with your semester quota, correct? Also, I
think Katie, Shelley, and Amber will be finished grading their
semester quota before the end of the semester, right?

As no one is expected to grade over their assigned limit, we need to
troubleshoot how these final 1.2 drafts and writing reviews get graded
before CIs have to file grades into TechSIS.

Does any one have ideas on how to make grading more efficient? I know
the peer critiques have been a stumbling block for some, but we're
down to 49 now!! We're also almost done grading BA6s.

I have trouble interpreting the numbers on TOPIC, so if y'all could
please post your semester quota along with a target date of being done
(if you think you'll be done before the end of the semster), that
would be helpful.

I'm just grading my 10 whole drafts a week, so I won't work ahead at
this point. It might be best if others of you didn't work ahead
either.

What do you all think?

-Ryan

Walki...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2007, 8:34:12 PM11/6/07
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I was planning to be almost done by the end of next week (saving 20
drafts for the end of the semester). I'd be willing to not work ahead
quite as far, however, if people would prefer.

My concern is just that my students are hoping to get their next few
BAs back fairly quickly (since they all pertain to Draft 1.2), and I
wanted to do what I could to try and speed along the process as much
as possible.

-Katie

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Ryan

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Nov 6, 2007, 8:48:45 PM11/6/07
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Hey Katie,

I think your concerns are completely valid. I want my students to
have
tons of feedback on these latter brief assignments so they produce
stellar 1.2s, which incorporates all the rhetorical elements we've
been building toward all semester.


I'm also worried that we (as CIs) will have to grade a bunch of our
own students' 1.2s just to meet the deadline to submit grades.


I'm not trying to mandate anything on anyone either. If you want to
work ahead, work ahead. I'm just trying to anticipate issues we may
encounter toward the semester's end.

-Ryan

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Shelley Alvarez

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Nov 6, 2007, 8:49:22 PM11/6/07
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Hi, Ryan,

First, here are my final numbers regarding the assignments I have left
to grade by the end of the semester:

I have 501 first-reads, 42 peer critiques (I will complete these in
the next couple of days), 117 writing reviews, and 103 second reads.

My weekly quota is 103 first-reads. I have 89 first reads left for this week.

My final day of grading is listed for December 9th, but I can
certainly be done sooner if needed. For those of you in the
classroom, when are final grades due on Techsis? I agree that we need
to give you folks plenty of time to submit these grades in the system.
I am a bit concerned, though, because 1.2 drafts are going to take
some time to grade. I'm open to any suggestions how to grade these
assignments in a bit more of a timely fashion, especially because I
was taking anywhere from 15-25 minutes to grade the 1.1 drafts. Once
I include the time it takes to grade writing reviews and second reads,
I'm probably looking at grading close to 50 hours a week the last
couple weeks of the semester.

Regarding writing reviews, I sure wish we could use radio buttons!
*sigh* Frankly, I think the final writing reviews just need brief
commentary.

Thanks!

Shelley

Shelley Alvarez

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:08:30 PM11/6/07
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Hi, Katie,

I don't see anything wrong with working ahead as long as doing so does
not hinder anyone in the group from meeting their weekly quotas. I
plan on working ahead as well these next few weeks. I don't think
this shortage is going to be an issue because some group members are a
bit behind. Maybe we should double check our numbers, though. Also,
my only other concern with people working too far ahead is that the
shorter assignments will be wiped out of the system, leaving these
final 1.2 assignments to just a few graders.

I know last semester I became a bit perturbed because a couple of my
group members decided to grade so far ahead into the semester all
drafts were wiped out of the system for about a two week period. I
was left with a final quota triple the normal amount(all longer
assignments) and spent about three 15 hour grading days the last few
days of the semester making up the lost quota. I'm not suggesting the
same problem is going to happen in this group, but I would like us to
double check our numbers to make some of us are not frantically
grading to make up for a lost quota that couldn't be completed because
a lack of drafts in the system.

Many thanks!

Shelley

Ryan

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:49:41 PM11/6/07
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I think these are great things to bring up, Shelley. We need to
address these issues NOW so history does not repeat.

According to TOPIC, the Wednesday classes (the last class day in our
group's queue) submit their Draft 1.2 on Friday, December 7 and the
Writing Review on Wednesday, December 12.

CIs, we need to submit grades for graduating seniors no later than
noon on Thursday, December 13. (Seniors in 1301 are rare). All other
final grades are due by 3pm on Monday, December 17.

If we're following a Wednedy schedule, we have 10 days to grade 1.2s
and 4 days to grade the writing reviews, providing there are no
graduating seniors.

Shelley, you bring up some good points about DIs who work too far
ahead. Likewise, DIs that are falling behind <u>really</a> need to
step it up this week. If we all continue on this path, 3 of our top
DIs (from a time assignment standpoint) will be done grading before
the bulk of the semester's end work arrives, and it'll be left to the
few who have fallen behind their quota to evaluates the 1.2s and
reviews.

No one should have to grade more than his or her designated share. The
quota numbers are based on the number of students we have in our
grading pool.

-Ryan

On Nov 6, 8:08 pm, "Shelley Alvarez" <chiparo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Katie,
>
> I don't see anything wrong with working ahead as long as doing so does
> not hinder anyone in the group from meeting their weekly quotas. I
> plan on working ahead as well these next few weeks. I don't think
> this shortage is going to be an issue because some group members are a
> bit behind. Maybe we should double check our numbers, though. Also,
> my only other concern with people working too far ahead is that the
> shorter assignments will be wiped out of the system, leaving these
> final 1.2 assignments to just a few graders.
>
> I know last semester I became a bit perturbed because a couple of my
> group members decided to grade so far ahead into the semester all
> drafts were wiped out of the system for about a two week period. I
> was left with a final quota triple the normal amount(all longer
> assignments) and spent about three 15 hour grading days the last few
> days of the semester making up the lost quota. I'm not suggesting the
> same problem is going to happen in this group, but I would like us to
> double check our numbers to make some of us are not frantically
> grading to make up for a lost quota that couldn't be completed because
> a lack of drafts in the system.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Shelley
>

Walki...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2007, 11:55:35 PM11/6/07
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I agree with everything you folks are saying. How about this: I'll try
to save about one week's worth of assignments to help out with Draft
1.2s and if the number of available drafts rapidly depletes in the
next week or two, I'll slow down. I know that some of us really need
to catch up, and I don't want to hinder anyone from doing so.

Does this work for people?

-Katie

Ryan

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Nov 7, 2007, 6:11:15 PM11/7/07
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Hey Folks,

I had a brainstorm last night that I wanted to share with the group.
What if we created analytic rubrics for grading the 1.2 and the
writing review? If you're not familiar with an analytic rubric, it's a
rubric that assesses a document on a variety of different categories.
I've created a bunch of these rubrics for my dissertation, and I've
attached one in the "Files" section of the GoogleGroup

I'm proposing a rubric for two reasons:

1. If/when we get into that end-of-semester crunch, we can ve sure
that we're providing students with quality commentary that justifies
their grade and helps them transition into 1302.
2. We can supply students with the rubric early (I was thinking after
Thanksgiving) so they have a better idea of how their work will be
evaluated.

There are a couple different ways we could use this rubric. First, we
could just cut and paste the info into the comment box to justify the
students' grade. We can also do this and add a sentence or two of
personalized commentary for each category or give students a holistic
evaluation of their paper. This would decrease the DI time Shelley
brought up, but again, still provide students with quality feedback on
their work.

Off the top of my head, I propose we create rubric categories for
thesis statement; intro; conclusion; body paragraphs; ethical lens;
and grammar, punctuation and spelling. These are all topics that
students are exploring in their most recent brief assignments. Our
scale is a 1-5 (or F-A).

If you're open to this suggestion, I will be produce a draft of the
thesis category. If we (and Dr. Lang) agree with the approach, I would
like to delegate the rest of the categories to y'all to work on and
tweak.

What do you think?

-Ryan

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Walki...@gmail.com

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Nov 7, 2007, 7:25:49 PM11/7/07
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I would LOVE a rubric. I'm used to grading with them, so it would be a
huge blessing. Rubrics make life so wonderful (I'm serious)!!!! The
only other thing we might want to add to the rubric is "research and
formatting," since that's a key element of the assignment (and maybe
persuasive power?).

-Katie

Shelley Alvarez

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Nov 7, 2007, 8:00:41 PM11/7/07
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YES! YES! YES! I love the idea of a rubric for the writing reviews
as well as the final drafts.

Shelley

Shelley Alvarez

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:37:27 PM11/7/07
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Hi, Katie,

I think your plan sounds great! Waiting a couple of weeks gives those
who are behind the opportunity to catch up. Just out of curiosity, if
I'm not being too nosy, how many first-reads do you have left to
complete your semester quota?

Shelley

kandkg...@gmail.com

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Nov 8, 2007, 2:55:25 PM11/8/07
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A grading rubric sounds great! In terms of my quota, I'm grading just
five drafts a week, except I have graded five drafts ahead of time so
that I won't have to grade during Thanskgiving. I'll take a look at
Ryan's file later today and get back to y'all later.
Thanks,
Katherine

On Nov 7, 8:37 pm, "Shelley Alvarez" <chiparo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Katie,
>

> I think your plan sounds great! Waiting a couple of weeks gives those
> who are behind the opportunity to catch up. Just out of curiosity, if
> I'm not being too nosy, how many first-reads do you have left to
> complete your semester quota?
>
> Shelley
>

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eric....@ttu.edu

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Nov 8, 2007, 7:42:43 PM11/8/07
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Hey everyone,
I just wanted to let y'all know I should be caught up on my grading by
next week. Do y'all want me to hold off on a few for the end of
semester crunch with 1.2's and Review's? Also, I think the rubric
idea is great. Does anyone want help with any of the categories?

TTUEngl...@gmail.com

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Nov 9, 2007, 5:37:53 PM11/9/07
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sorry to get to the conversation so late. i spoke with Ryan briefly in
regards to a grading rubric, and it's something that i think we can
all benefit from. i'll start another thread to include the draft 1.2
rubrics after this post for:

1. thesis statement (Ryan)
2. intro (mark)
3. conclusion
4. body paragraphs
5. ethical lens
6. grammar
7. punctuation and spelling

Even if we don't end up using all of them, or adding different ones,
it'll give us a place to start thinking about it. Going down the
list, if Ryan will do "thesis," then I'll do the "intro."

Amber

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Nov 11, 2007, 10:07:40 AM11/11/07
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Hi, everyone.

I have 184 drafts remaining for the end of the semester (28 this week)
and 39 for each of the four remaining weeks. I plan to work ahead this
next week because I'll be gone for Thanksgiving (from Wed- Sunday).

I have 45 writing reviews to complete also.

I like the idea of a categoric rubric as long as all CIs agree to
introduce it & explain it to their students.

I think we can group together grammar, punctuation, and spelling. I'll
take on creating a description for this category for each grade mark
(A-F). I'll use the ENGL 2311 rubric and tweak it for a freshmen level
course.

Amber

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