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Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
May 1, 2008, 8:52:39 PM5/1/08
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Update: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7375245.stm
Sir Ian McKellen has confirmed he will reprise his role as Gandalf in
the film version of JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit.
"Yes, it's true," he told Empire magazine. "It's not a part that you
turn down. I loved playing Gandalf."
Two Hobbit films are planned for release in 2010 and 2011. They will
be prequels to the Lord of the Rings trilogy, directed by Peter
Jackson.
Guillermo del Toro has been named as the director of the movies, to be
made back-to-back in New Zealand.
"I spoke to Guillermo in the very room that Peter Jackson offered me
the part and he confirmed that I would be reprising the role," Sir Ian
said.
He also said del Toro would be starting the script in about six weeks
after he has finished filming current project, Hellboy 2.
According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of
The Hobbit and the second will be an original story focusing on the 60
years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy.
"As to how it's going to work over two films and what going to happen
on screen, well Guillermo has not got down to working out the major
details yet - I can tell you it's going to be amazing though," Sir Ian
said.
Sir Ian McKellen has confirmed he will reprise his role as Gandalf in
the film version of JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit.
"Yes, it's true," he told Empire magazine. "It's not a part that you
turn down. I loved playing Gandalf."
Two Hobbit films are planned for release in 2010 and 2011. They will
be prequels to the Lord of the Rings trilogy, directed by Peter
Jackson.
Guillermo del Toro has been named as the director of the movies, to be
made back-to-back in New Zealand.
"I spoke to Guillermo in the very room that Peter Jackson offered me
the part and he confirmed that I would be reprising the role," Sir Ian
said.
He also said del Toro would be starting the script in about six weeks
after he has finished filming current project, Hellboy 2.
According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of
The Hobbit and the second will be an original story focusing on the 60
years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy.
"As to how it's going to work over two films and what going to happen
on screen, well Guillermo has not got down to working out the major
details yet - I can tell you it's going to be amazing though," Sir Ian
said.
Michael
May 2, 2008, 7:04:55 AM5/2/08
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I think that is great news. If there was to be one part from the films
that i could choose to remain it would be Gandalf's.
Let's hope Hellboy II doesn't influence the director too much!
On May 2, 10:52 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
that i could choose to remain it would be Gandalf's.
Let's hope Hellboy II doesn't influence the director too much!
On May 2, 10:52 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
Marayong
May 2, 2008, 8:00:29 PM5/2/08
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Michael wrote:
> I think that is great news. If there was to be one part from the films
> that i could choose to remain it would be Gandalf's.
>
> Let's hope Hellboy II doesn't influence the director too much!
> I think that is great news. If there was to be one part from the films
> that i could choose to remain it would be Gandalf's.
>
> Let's hope Hellboy II doesn't influence the director too much!
Well I read that and shuddered ...
"Coming to a Cinema near you ... The Hobbit. Be afraid. Be very afraid!"
<insert corny B-grade horror movie music>
cheers,
David
>
> On May 2, 10:52 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
> <blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Update:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7375245.stm
>>
>> Sir Ian McKellen has confirmed he will reprise his role as Gandalf in
>> the film version of JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit.
>> "Yes, it's true," he told Empire magazine. "It's not a part that you
>> turn down. I loved playing Gandalf."
>> Two Hobbit films are planned for release in 2010 and 2011. They will
>> be prequels to the Lord of the Rings trilogy, directed by Peter
>> Jackson.
>> Guillermo del Toro has been named as the director of the movies, to be
>> made back-to-back in New Zealand.
>> "I spoke to Guillermo in the very room that Peter Jackson offered me
>> the part and he confirmed that I would be reprising the role," Sir Ian
>> said.
>> He also said del Toro would be starting the script in about six weeks
>> after he has finished filming current project, Hellboy 2.
>> According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of
>> The Hobbit and the second will be an original story focusing on the 60
>> years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy.
>> "As to how it's going to work over two films and what going to happen
>> on screen, well Guillermo has not got down to working out the major
>> details yet - I can tell you it's going to be amazing though," Sir Ian
>> said.
> >
>
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Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
May 4, 2008, 12:21:31 AM5/4/08
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What worries me most is the filling in of Middle-Earth history between
The Hobbit and LotR. You can bet they'll invent some "romantic
interludes" eg Bilbo gets married. She dies of course before LotR
starts. Also a possibility: some dalliance by Arwen. I forbear to
continue.
> own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies- Hide quoted text -
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The Hobbit and LotR. You can bet they'll invent some "romantic
interludes" eg Bilbo gets married. She dies of course before LotR
starts. Also a possibility: some dalliance by Arwen. I forbear to
continue.
>
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Michael
May 12, 2008, 5:26:17 AM5/12/08
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Yes. As there's little text to follow the director will be left with
little choice to fill in the gaps. Let's hope none of your scenarios
make it to film!
On May 4, 2:21 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
little choice to fill in the gaps. Let's hope none of your scenarios
make it to film!
On May 4, 2:21 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
Michael
May 26, 2008, 1:11:25 AM5/26/08
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Here is the latest news on The Hobbit movie taken from the Times
online:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3999008.ece
The son of JRR Tolkien will try next week to halt Hollywood plans to
follow the critical and commercial triumph of the Lord of the Rings
trilogy by filming The Hobbit and a sequel.
Christopher Tolkien, 83, is calling for “one last crusade” in a long-
running court battle against the producers of The Lord of the Rings
only weeks before carpenters are due to begin work in New Zealand on
the sets for the latest Middle-earth epic.
He claims the Tolkien family is owed £80m by New Line Cinema under a
deal for a 7.5% share of profits that was signed in 1969, when his
father reluctantly sold film rights to pay a tax bill.
Today the film-makers will confirm that Sir Ian McKellen is returning
to his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit and that Andy Serkis
will reprise his role as the murderous creature Gollum.
Sir Ian Holm, who played the hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the
Rings, is expected to narrate. Viggo Mortensen has unexpectedly been
asked to return as Aragorn, a character who does not appear in the
original Hobbit story, published in 1937.
Peter Jackson, who directed the Rings trilogy, is to produce the
Hobbit films. The director will be Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican
whose grim fantasy Pan’s Labyrinth won three Oscars last year.
However, at a hearing on June 6 Christopher Tolkien will ask a
Californian judge to back his claim that he can “terminate” film
rights to The Hobbit. He is said to be furious with the New Line
studio, which earned £3 billion from the Rings trilogy. Tolkien’s
lawyers accuse New Line of “accounting chicanery”. Warner Bros, owner
of New Line, declined to comment.
In an internet press conference last night, Jackson and del Toro
answered questions about the new films, which will cost about £150m to
make over the next three years.
The first will be rooted firmly in the original book The Hobbit,
following the naive young Bilbo on a quest for dragon’s gold and
showing how he obtained his all-powerful ring. The second will cover
the 50 years between his return home and the events of The Lord of the
Rings.
That period is described in The Silmarillion, a collection of notes
and tales assembled by Christopher Tolkien and published four years
after his father’s death in 1973.
Tolkien Jr, described by his biographer as “cantankerous”, is unlikely
to allow the film-makers free access to The Silmarillion. He has
always been sceptical of Hollywood. Even now relatives are unsure
whether he has watched The Lord of the Rings, which won a total of 17
Oscars.
online:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3999008.ece
The son of JRR Tolkien will try next week to halt Hollywood plans to
follow the critical and commercial triumph of the Lord of the Rings
trilogy by filming The Hobbit and a sequel.
Christopher Tolkien, 83, is calling for “one last crusade” in a long-
running court battle against the producers of The Lord of the Rings
only weeks before carpenters are due to begin work in New Zealand on
the sets for the latest Middle-earth epic.
He claims the Tolkien family is owed £80m by New Line Cinema under a
deal for a 7.5% share of profits that was signed in 1969, when his
father reluctantly sold film rights to pay a tax bill.
Today the film-makers will confirm that Sir Ian McKellen is returning
to his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit and that Andy Serkis
will reprise his role as the murderous creature Gollum.
Sir Ian Holm, who played the hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the
Rings, is expected to narrate. Viggo Mortensen has unexpectedly been
asked to return as Aragorn, a character who does not appear in the
original Hobbit story, published in 1937.
Peter Jackson, who directed the Rings trilogy, is to produce the
Hobbit films. The director will be Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican
whose grim fantasy Pan’s Labyrinth won three Oscars last year.
However, at a hearing on June 6 Christopher Tolkien will ask a
Californian judge to back his claim that he can “terminate” film
rights to The Hobbit. He is said to be furious with the New Line
studio, which earned £3 billion from the Rings trilogy. Tolkien’s
lawyers accuse New Line of “accounting chicanery”. Warner Bros, owner
of New Line, declined to comment.
In an internet press conference last night, Jackson and del Toro
answered questions about the new films, which will cost about £150m to
make over the next three years.
The first will be rooted firmly in the original book The Hobbit,
following the naive young Bilbo on a quest for dragon’s gold and
showing how he obtained his all-powerful ring. The second will cover
the 50 years between his return home and the events of The Lord of the
Rings.
That period is described in The Silmarillion, a collection of notes
and tales assembled by Christopher Tolkien and published four years
after his father’s death in 1973.
Tolkien Jr, described by his biographer as “cantankerous”, is unlikely
to allow the film-makers free access to The Silmarillion. He has
always been sceptical of Hollywood. Even now relatives are unsure
whether he has watched The Lord of the Rings, which won a total of 17
Oscars.
Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
May 30, 2008, 8:25:54 PM5/30/08
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Thanks, Michael. Looks like there is a glimmer of hope that it won't
go ahead. However I'm not holding my breath.
On May 26, 3:11 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:
> Here is the latest news on The Hobbit movie taken from the Times
> online:
>
> http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/fil...
one word "murderous". We dissslikesss hisss dessscription of usss!
> Sir Ian Holm, who played the hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the
> Rings, is expected to narrate. Viggo Mortensen has unexpectedly been
> asked to return as Aragorn, a character who does not appear in the
> original Hobbit story, published in 1937.
>
> Peter Jackson, who directed the Rings trilogy, is to produce the
> Hobbit films. The director will be Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican
> whose grim fantasy Pan’s Labyrinth won three Oscars last year.
"del Toro" is a good name for the director, given that there will be a
lot of bull.... in it.
> However, at a hearing on June 6 Christopher Tolkien will ask a
> Californian judge to back his claim that he can “terminate” film
> rights to The Hobbit. He is said to be furious with the New Line
> studio, which earned £3 billion from the Rings trilogy. Tolkien’s
> lawyers accuse New Line of “accounting chicanery”. Warner Bros, owner
> of New Line, declined to comment.
>
> In an internet press conference last night, Jackson and del Toro
> answered questions about the new films, which will cost about £150m to
> make over the next three years.
>
> The first will be rooted firmly in the original book The Hobbit,
> following the naive young Bilbo on a quest for dragon’s gold and
> showing how he obtained his all-powerful ring.
Really! I expect that they will introduce one or more women into the
story.
> The second will cover
> the 50 years between his return home and the events of The Lord of the
> Rings.
>
> That period is described in The Silmarillion, a collection of notes
> and tales assembled by Christopher Tolkien and published four years
> after his father’s death in 1973.
>
> Tolkien Jr, described by his biographer as “cantankerous”, is unlikely
> to allow the film-makers free access to The Silmarillion. He has
> always been sceptical of Hollywood. Even now relatives are unsure
> whether he has watched The Lord of the Rings, which won a total of 17
> Oscars.
Methinks they will get around the use of the Silmarillion content by
simply inventing an alternate history.
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go ahead. However I'm not holding my breath.
On May 26, 3:11 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:
> Here is the latest news on The Hobbit movie taken from the Times
> online:
>
>
> The son of JRR Tolkien will try next week to halt Hollywood plans to
> follow the critical and commercial triumph of the Lord of the Rings
> trilogy by filming The Hobbit and a sequel.
>
> Christopher Tolkien, 83, is calling for “one last crusade” in a long-
> running court battle against the producers of The Lord of the Rings
> only weeks before carpenters are due to begin work in New Zealand on
> the sets for the latest Middle-earth epic.
>
> He claims the Tolkien family is owed £80m by New Line Cinema under a
> deal for a 7.5% share of profits that was signed in 1969, when his
> father reluctantly sold film rights to pay a tax bill.
>
> Today the film-makers will confirm that Sir Ian McKellen is returning
> to his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit and that Andy Serkis
> will reprise his role as the murderous creature Gollum.
Grrr! Gollum was a complex character certainly not summarised by the
> The son of JRR Tolkien will try next week to halt Hollywood plans to
> follow the critical and commercial triumph of the Lord of the Rings
> trilogy by filming The Hobbit and a sequel.
>
> Christopher Tolkien, 83, is calling for “one last crusade” in a long-
> running court battle against the producers of The Lord of the Rings
> only weeks before carpenters are due to begin work in New Zealand on
> the sets for the latest Middle-earth epic.
>
> He claims the Tolkien family is owed £80m by New Line Cinema under a
> deal for a 7.5% share of profits that was signed in 1969, when his
> father reluctantly sold film rights to pay a tax bill.
>
> Today the film-makers will confirm that Sir Ian McKellen is returning
> to his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit and that Andy Serkis
> will reprise his role as the murderous creature Gollum.
one word "murderous". We dissslikesss hisss dessscription of usss!
> Sir Ian Holm, who played the hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the
> Rings, is expected to narrate. Viggo Mortensen has unexpectedly been
> asked to return as Aragorn, a character who does not appear in the
> original Hobbit story, published in 1937.
>
> Peter Jackson, who directed the Rings trilogy, is to produce the
> Hobbit films. The director will be Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican
> whose grim fantasy Pan’s Labyrinth won three Oscars last year.
lot of bull.... in it.
> However, at a hearing on June 6 Christopher Tolkien will ask a
> Californian judge to back his claim that he can “terminate” film
> rights to The Hobbit. He is said to be furious with the New Line
> studio, which earned £3 billion from the Rings trilogy. Tolkien’s
> lawyers accuse New Line of “accounting chicanery”. Warner Bros, owner
> of New Line, declined to comment.
>
> In an internet press conference last night, Jackson and del Toro
> answered questions about the new films, which will cost about £150m to
> make over the next three years.
>
> The first will be rooted firmly in the original book The Hobbit,
> following the naive young Bilbo on a quest for dragon’s gold and
> showing how he obtained his all-powerful ring.
story.
> The second will cover
> the 50 years between his return home and the events of The Lord of the
> Rings.
>
> That period is described in The Silmarillion, a collection of notes
> and tales assembled by Christopher Tolkien and published four years
> after his father’s death in 1973.
>
> Tolkien Jr, described by his biographer as “cantankerous”, is unlikely
> to allow the film-makers free access to The Silmarillion. He has
> always been sceptical of Hollywood. Even now relatives are unsure
> whether he has watched The Lord of the Rings, which won a total of 17
> Oscars.
simply inventing an alternate history.
Jeff Lynch
Jul 3, 2008, 11:11:31 PM7/3/08
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Stand by Te........I want you to help me find a book by two
(scientist) writers re going(humaa def program 2 (joint ) writers a
hardback book ...seious concept on side of promoting the space voyage.
....a voyage of some 5 years.....18 months each way and time on Mars!
Love Jeff
Name of book to follow
(scientist) writers re going(humaa def program 2 (joint ) writers a
hardback book ...seious concept on side of promoting the space voyage.
....a voyage of some 5 years.....18 months each way and time on Mars!
Love Jeff
Name of book to follow
Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
Jul 4, 2008, 10:26:02 PM7/4/08
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Is one of them Robert Zubrin?
Jeff Lynch
Jul 8, 2008, 9:56:51 PM7/8/08
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YEp BeJesus and Begorrah....How did ya Know boyho?
Jeff
Jeff
Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
Jul 9, 2008, 5:08:06 AM7/9/08
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A logical guess. Zubrin is "Dr Mars".
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Jeff Lynch
Jul 10, 2008, 7:29:48 PM7/10/08
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NOw TEd two things....Just how long will it take to grt(one way)M to
Mars...I read 18 months some years ago...is this likely?
Mars...I read 18 months some years ago...is this likely?
Will you agree to read the first 4,500 words of THe SEcond TEam for
me.....my problem here is that I wriabout (hard) science that I don't
know enough about........see above question as an example mate!
IF you agree I will send it early next week...Hey there is a chance
that David I are to meet in Melbourne late next week!
Hooray of sunshine............Sheesh but it is ccold here this ady!
Love Jeff
Marayong
Jul 10, 2008, 7:43:17 PM7/10/08
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> NOw TEd two things....Just how long will it take to grt(one way)M to
> Mars...I read 18 months some years ago...is this likely?
> NOw TEd two things....Just how long will it take to grt(one way)M to
> Mars...I read 18 months some years ago...is this likely?
The time is variable .. it all depends on how much they want to spend.
If they carry more fuel they can get there quicker, but that means
bigger spacecraft and more money. The faster trip would be to accelerate
half the distance and then decelerate the remaining half (there's no air
so once you reach a speed, you stay more or less at it). The cheaper
trip would be to accelerate to the relevant escape velocity, coast for
quite some time and then decelerate upon arrival. That's how the space
probes travel to Mars and it can take them years. The relevant escape
velocity is a bit tricky .. it's a combination of the Earth-Moon escape
velocity and also the Sun's, tho' the later is only partial since you
are not escaping the sun entirely.
cheers,
David
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Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
Jul 11, 2008, 1:28:00 AM7/11/08
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Hi Jeff,
If you're writing about a trip to Mars you need to consider (a) how
far it will be into the future (ie how advanced the technology can be
allowed to be) and (b) how long you would like the trip to take. You
may not want to "invent" any new technology, or you may want to invent
something reasonable or you may go for something "highly advanced". It
all depends on the setting and detail of the story. Currently, as
David says, the quicker the more costly, but apart from the fact that
we're talking very big bucks, there is also lead time to develop the
technology to take humans to Mars. It's not up and running yet. Then
there is the "window of opportunity" to be considered. Mars and Earth
of course go around the sun in different periods and those times when
a close encounter can be used are few and far between.
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If you're writing about a trip to Mars you need to consider (a) how
far it will be into the future (ie how advanced the technology can be
allowed to be) and (b) how long you would like the trip to take. You
may not want to "invent" any new technology, or you may want to invent
something reasonable or you may go for something "highly advanced". It
all depends on the setting and detail of the story. Currently, as
David says, the quicker the more costly, but apart from the fact that
we're talking very big bucks, there is also lead time to develop the
technology to take humans to Mars. It's not up and running yet. Then
there is the "window of opportunity" to be considered. Mars and Earth
of course go around the sun in different periods and those times when
a close encounter can be used are few and far between.
Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
Jul 11, 2008, 1:28:58 AM7/11/08
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Oh. I forgot to answer the second part of your letter. Yes, I'll read
it.
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it.
Jeff Lynch
Jul 13, 2008, 7:29:33 PM7/13/08
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So David...18 months would be a 'regular' and literary 'safe' period?....I had already had them accelerating so will do like you say coast for a bit and then decellerate
Hey David I am now just about to put up 'THe Second Team' to you and all and sundry...perhaps it will(not now..it needs more work be a serial.......................for the enzine? most of all I need some infp on my rotten HARD SCIENCE
See THe Second Team some 6,000 words ye ED!
Love Jeff
Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
Jul 14, 2008, 5:01:01 AM7/14/08
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Got your "Review of Tree and Leaf" in the mail today. I'll read it
tonight while Rozzie watches the Box. Catch you later.
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tonight while Rozzie watches the Box. Catch you later.
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