CREATIVE FANTASY IN RELIGIOUS IMAGINATION

[Michael]

Anyone interested in attending? I am.

CFP - Sydney - Creative fantasy in religious imagination
>>CALL FOR PAPERS
The Sydney Society for Literature and Aesthetics and
The Society for Studies in Religion, Literature and the Arts

Invite submissions for papers on

CREATIVE FANTASY IN RELIGIOUS IMAGINATION
for the Conference organized at the University of Sydney on
Friday-Saturday, September 26-27, 2008.

The 20th century has witnessed a renewed expression of religious
imagination
through modern literary, artistic and philosophical forms.
The conference invites papers discussing the new religious creativity
as
found in the works of C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Philip K. Dick,
Philip
Pullman and others beyond any religious or cultural boundaries.
Special emphasis is given to new forms of religious imagination
through the
internet, cinematic transformations and new movements both in East and
West.
The Conference would like to address issues of both traditional and
contemporary post-modern spirituality
as expressed through the mytho-poetics of fantasy and imagination.

Date for submission of abstracts: 29 June 2008

Abstracts to 300 words sent
To be emailed to
The conveners
Vras Karalis: Vrasidas.Karalis_at_usyd.edu.au
Chris Hartney: chris.hartney_at_usyd.edu.au

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Definitely interested but I'm wondering about just what material the
convenors are looking for in papers. Any web reference?

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Just found http://cfp.english.upenn.edu/archive/Religion/0362.html

Any more? Nothing on the web pages of the two societies mentioned.

On May 8, 6:00 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:

[Michael]

That's the link I had Ted so I know as much as you at this stage. I
guess you could e-mail the contact if you are considering submitting a
paper.

On May 10, 11:06 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
<blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just foundhttp://cfp.english.upenn.edu/archive/Religion/0362.html

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I'm certainly thinking seriously about submitting an abstract. Still
wondering whether "religious imagination" is an oxymoron.

> > > Chris Hartney: chris.hartney_at_usyd.edu.au- Hide quoted text -
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[Jeff Lynch]

Yeah Michael ...I already have a CS Lewis paper!!!!
love Jeff

[Jeff Lynch]

Oxymoron........of course it is TED you know it!
Jeff
Hey see what I am submitting to David!!!!(Sci FI double (almost SCI fi
anyways).and a piece of Histororical no not the other word
investigation into Maori comings to NZ etc.
Jeff

[Jeff Lynch]

RE Religious imagination.............
It's an interesting question Michael is it truly an oxymoron?
I paused to think on it once more.
You can interpret religion 'imaginatively'.......Ho see anything from
Gothic Cathedrals to Deryk
Bouts!.....REmbradt....Mickyangelo..........Leonardo(O easy for
Leonardo)
Yes art was most often used in Western Societies in this
manner.......a religious theme was worked upon 'imaginatively'...and
it was ordered up by the yard and the mile by THE
AUTHORITIES.......err the ones who kept the money.....ie the top
boys!!!!!... Same in t'other and other religious affiliation that you
can mention.............. a similar thing happened.
But two words strung together (as a topic) 'religious imagination'
uses the word religious as an adjective surely and rather stuffs up
all possible (rightful) meaning.
All religious experiences ARE imaginative.err they are'inner mind or
outta world stuff.....dreamt or depicted in ecstacy or under illusions
after drugs or just being naughty and thinking up wierd things to
scare the hoi polloi. To be their BOSS!
Often words are totally(or wilfully) misinterpreted until we get so
tangled with the TEXT that no human can possibly interpret it
aright...... Often it worked( the tangle of words and actions) and it
got you steady work as a witchdoctor or priest or rector or Bishop or
beadle or a Dukun(Indonesia) or any old BIG POOH BAH and
Saint..................and as years went by the scraping became worse
and worse.......or better and better depending on how your imagination
runs on it. REigious rulers were now warrior kinkings..... ruling
over whole chunks of the states etc they called themselves names err
Prophets .....popes....caliphs.......reformers.......men of
god...doctors.emperors.......and they did use their collective
imaginations in order to dominate other (and lesser) men...they call
them their followers and every one is happy. Sooooooo......Religion is
mostly a fever of man's imagination..always and for ever....want any
proof? How many religions are there??????? I dunno.I reckon that there
is ne for every human being...with enough imagination!
Jeff

[Peter Wilkin]

 

Religious imagination? One would think it more of a tautology than an oxymoron - but only if you were a cynic :p

 

I was involved in a Religious Studies publication on a similar topic a couple of years ago. I really think the subject matter is very broad - I'm sure the papers will be.

 

P

 

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

On May 22, 6:32 pm, "Peter Wilkin" <pwilki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Religious imagination? One would think it more of a tautology than an
> oxymoron - but only if you were a cynic :p

Do you mean "atheist", "agnostic" or similar? They might not
necessarily be cynical, but they might well think that all religion
was imagination.

> I was involved in a Religious Studies publication on a similar topic a
> couple of years ago. I really think the subject matter is very broad - I'm
> sure the papers will be.

I note that the organisers mention Philip Pullman (no relation, I
think, to the local Arthurian fiction writer Felicity Pullman).
According to the Wikipedia he is agnostic or atheist. I can't see
anything by Philip K Dick that bears heavily on the topic but I'm by
no means up on his bibliography. They might also have mentioned
Michael Moorcock, Roger Zelazny and no doubt other sf writers, but
most notably Joseph Campbell. I re-read the part of Humphrey
Carpenter's biography of JRRT where he, Hugo Dyson and Charles
Williams convert CS Lewis back to Christianity. I still have some
unanswered questions concerning how JRRT reconciled his notion of
"religious truth" vise the "truth in myth". Tom Robbins more or less
calls all religion myth and thinks that's what makes it worthwhile.

> P

> > Jeff- Hide quoted text -

[Jeff Lynch]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
<blackhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On May 22, 6:32 pm, "Peter Wilkin" <pwilki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Religious imagination? One would think it more of a tautology than an
>> oxymoron - but only if you were a cynic :p
>
> Do you mean "atheist", "agnostic" or similar? They might not
> necessarily be cynical, but they might well think that all religion
> was imagination.

Peter I am one of the above to be counted...we errrrr .............I
do not think of religion per se as imagination .No it is errr...... a
political tool....used by witchdoctors bishops popes sharpies frauds
wannabe rich men and men and women with too much imagination or too
little sometimes it is hard to tell which they (mostly) have
Love Jeff

[Marayong]

Hi all,

Apologies for the silence lately ... I've been laid low with pneumonia.
Fortunately it's responding to the 2nd lot of antibiotics (it's the
bacterial variety rather than the viral).

Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
>
> On May 22, 6:32 pm, "Peter Wilkin" <pwilki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Religious imagination? One would think it more of a tautology than an
>> oxymoron - but only if you were a cynic :p
>
> Do you mean "atheist", "agnostic" or similar? They might not
> necessarily be cynical, but they might well think that all religion
> was imagination.

Which IMO is a bit amusing. The agnostic is one who either isn't sure
there is a deity (singular or plural) or doesn't care whilst an atheist
is one who believes with a religious-like fervour that there are no deities.

If you define religion in the belief of something involving deities,
then atheist qualifies as religious just as surely as any of the more
formal (or less formal) religions. Believing something is false in the
absence of any real evidence is just as much a statement of faith as
believing in that something in the same lack of real evidence.

Sorry Jeff. :)

cheers,
David

--
Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008
http://roots-boots.net mailto:dra...@roots-boots.net
The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

On May 23, 11:48 am, Marayong <dra...@roots-boots.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Apologies for the silence lately ... I've been laid low with pneumonia.
> Fortunately it's responding to the 2nd lot of antibiotics (it's the
> bacterial variety rather than the viral).

Oh dear! I hope you continue on the mend. My friend Carol Phillips
from Houston TX USA had it earlier this year, but is now over it.
Those pneumococci know no fear or favour.

> Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
>
> > On May 22, 6:32 pm, "Peter Wilkin" <pwilki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Religious imagination? One would think it more of a tautology than an
> >> oxymoron - but only if you were a cynic :p
>
> > Do you mean "atheist", "agnostic" or similar? They might not
> > necessarily be cynical, but they might well think that all religion
> > was imagination.
>
> Which IMO is a bit amusing. The agnostic is one who either isn't sure
> there is a deity (singular or plural) or doesn't care whilst an atheist
> is one who believes with a religious-like fervour that there are no deities.
>
> If you define religion in the belief of something involving deities,
> then atheist qualifies as religious just as surely as any of the more
> formal (or less formal) religions. Believing something is false in the
> absence of any real evidence is just as much a statement of faith as
> believing in that something in the same lack of real evidence.

I can't recall the exact quote but in Huxley's "Brave New World" (1932
I think), the World Controller (sic) ventured the opinion that God
manifested Himself (conventional male pronoun with capital) in various
ways at various times. At the time in which Brave New World was set (a
little over 700 years after Henry Ford), He was manifest in absence. A
similar sentiment was expressed, albeit facetiously, by "Kilgore
Trout" in "Venus on the Half Shell" ("Kilgore Trout", a well known
character from several of Kurt Vonnegut Jr's books was taken by the
author as a nom de plume, in fact the author was Philip José Farmer).
He said that "several thousnad million years ago, God stepped out to
lunch and neglected to come back". Neither of these views is atheist,
nor do I think they are religious, because they entail no required
belief, hence no required actions stemming from a belief.

Atheists may indeed say and do certain things (Richard Dawkins, for
example, wrote a book) based on atheism, while agnostics may go in
search of the ultimate truth that they haven't yet found.
Nevertheless, I doubt that their behaviour is analagous to followers
of specific clearly defined religions. Therefore I feel that they must
be kept separate from those followers.

The convenors of the seminar, however, have drawn their guidelines to
cover a wide field, and I suspect that on the days when it happens the
religious will stand toe to toe with the irreligious and the
areligious, and there may even be some really useful cross
fertilisation.

>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies- Hide quoted text -

[Jeff Lynch]

Hmmm..tis a fair arument David...I am tinking
love Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I'm wondering whether speculating on the number of angels that could
dance on a pinhead comes within the category of religious imagination.
Who was supposed to have done that anyway?

On May 23, 11:48 am, Marayong <dra...@roots-boots.net> wrote:

>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies- Hide quoted text -

[Marayong]

Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
> I'm wondering whether speculating on the number of angels that could
> dance on a pinhead comes within the category of religious imagination.
> Who was supposed to have done that anyway?

A bit of homework on my part turns up very little .. it's not in any of
the old theological texts I have (and I have a fair few collected over
the years). That modern research tool, google, comes up with these two
illuminating hits near the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_stand_on_the_head_of_a_pin%3F
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_132.html

The verdict seems to be that there is no actual "ancient" reference to
this saying and that it is an attempt at satire by some individual
criticising theologians .. ie: "they would spend their time debating how
many angels could dance on the head of a pin". The earliest reference
appears to have been D'Israeli who wrote, "How many angels can dance on
the point of a very fine needle, without jostling one another?" He
claims to quote that from "Martinus Scribleru", which is latin for
"Martin the Scribbler", a common pseudonym used by satirists at the time
and hardly the name that would be used by a serious theologian!

Less likely scenarios hold that it was merely a debating exercise that
latter people, such as D'Israeli misunderstood, or that it derived from
a weird cult.

For the scientific minded, I recommend:

http://www.headofapin.net/
Quantum Gravity Treatment of the Angel Density Problem

The answer given here is that the maximum number, according to modern
physics, is 8.6766*10exp49 angels, above which they spontaneously
convert into a black hole.

This number is drastically reduced if the angels have human-size mass
and even moreso if they obey the Pauli exclusion principle (the number
then is 1024 angels, regardless of their mass).

cheers,
David

PS: This report was written with the last of the mead Ted gave us .. me
.. as a wedding present. :( Sighhh......

I'll have to look into a commercial supplier.

[Marayong]

Correction ...
If you apply the Pauli principal, the number of angels is:

10 to the 25th power angels can fit on the point of a pin

cheers,
David

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Thanks, David. I think I'll now leave the matter of angels on pinheads
alone. I have, however, got an angle on the matter of "religious
imagination" that I think might lead somewhere, hopefully to a paper
for this conference. I'll post about it soon, when I get thoughts and
facts together.

On May 31, 11:46 am, Marayong <dra...@roots-boots.net> wrote:
> Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
> > I'm wondering whether speculating on the number of angels that could
> > dance on a pinhead comes within the category of religious imagination.
> > Who was supposed to have done that anyway?
>
> A bit of homework on my part turns up very little .. it's not in any of
> the old theological texts I have (and I have a fair few collected over
> the years). That modern research tool, google, comes up with these two
> illuminating hits near the top:
>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_stand_on_the_head_of...http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_132.html

[Jeff Lynch]

this is often quoted as a debate among certain (Arostetalian)
..sp?scholars during the early middle ages....as in THe Name of the
Rose etc...........there were lots of famous monastery party tricks
along these lines......Aristotle
whom most Catholic monks followed, was so wrong about so many things
anyway that he kept the (HOLY) church ignorant for some twelve or
fourteen centuries.....not a bad effort when you think about it Ted.
jeff

[Michael]

Ah yes although some would argue that the church chose to be ignorant
- it suited them.

The Name of the Rose! What a read. Would you rate it has Eco's best?

On Jun 3, 9:52 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this is often quoted as a debate among certain (Arostetalian)
> ..sp?scholars during the early middle ages....as in THe Name of the
> Rose etc...........there were lots of famous monastery party tricks
> along these lines......Aristotle
> whom most Catholic monks followed, was so wrong about so many things
> anyway that he kept the (HOLY) church ignorant for some twelve or
> fourteen centuries.....not a bad effort when you think about it Ted.
> jeff
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil
>

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Michael and Jeff: I have today submitted an abstract to those two
scholars (and presumably gentlemen) at the Uni of Sydney. I will tell
you the details if and when I get an answer from them - frankly I
haven't worked out the details yet. For now I'll give you the
following question to consider: What do Rogers and Hammerstein's 1945
musical "Carousel", M. Night Shyamalan's 1999 film "The Sixth Sense"
and Douglas Adams's 1987 book "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective
Agency" have in common? That is the subject of my proposed paper.

> > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Update to my post of yesterday. I received the following letter:

--------------------------------------------------------

From: Chris Hartney <chris....@usyd.edu.au>
To: "Edwin A. Scribner" <kre...@optusnet.com.au>,
Vrasidas Karalis <vrasidas...@usyd.edu.au>
Thread-Topic: Abstract for conference "Creative Fantasy in Religious
Imagination"

Dear Edwin,

I like your abstract very much and I hope you will be able to present
this paper at our conference in September. We will send you
registration details in a few weeks.

Regards,

Chris

Dr Christopher Hartney
Editor, The Journal of Religious History
Lecturer, Studies in Religions
School of Letters, Arts and Media
The University of Sydney

--------------------------------------------------------

I'd rather not post the abstract here as it's viewable to anyone. If a
member of this group wants a copy please email me.

On Jun 3, 9:46 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:

> > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Michael]

Well done Ted! I now have an extra reason for attending.

As for your poser I wouldn't have the foggiest since I'm only familiar
with The Sixth Sense. Perhaps it has something to do with the mother
of all twists.

On Jun 5, 12:26 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

<blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Update to my post of yesterday. I received the following letter:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>

[Michael]

Oh yeah - e-mail me abstract please Ted!

On Jun 5, 12:26 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
<blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Update to my post of yesterday. I received the following letter:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Done.

> > > > >>      http://roots-boots.netmailto:dra...@roots-boots.net

[Peter Wilkin]

Hi Folks,

Ted, could you e-mail me the abstract too? I'd like to come along if I can.

Cheers,
Peter

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Peter. I'll get it off to you shortly. I'll also post details of
registration when I receive them.

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Jeff. Have you sent an abstract to the organisers yet? Closing date
is soon.

> > Chris Hartney: chris.hartney_at_usyd.edu.au- Hide quoted text -

[Jeff Lynch]

Ah yes Michael the N of the R is def his best and by far the most
poular( avec good reason) .the bloody film was ab fab too! I would say
as well..Hey you ignored my CS Lewis paper comment babe.
Jeff

[Jeff Lynch]

I must say I would very much like to hear Ted do his thing
again.......by far the best paper at our own (wonderfully hosted by
Mick conference) was done by Edwin......IMOHO..........my Lewis would
have been near him tho'......aside to other Toller's fans...I did not
submit a scurrilous look at Lewis(CS) out of respect for Michael's
sensibiities................mine were missing on the subject.I still
have not much changed my opinion...wanna read it....with prompting (or
none ) I may publish it to you(only)
Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Jeff. You haven't asked me for a copy of the abstract, nor have you
ventured an answer to my enigmatic question. Care to do either or
both?

> > Chris Hartney: chris.hartney_at_usyd.edu.au- Hide quoted text -

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

For those curious about, or interested in, the two organisers: Dr
Christopher Hartney is Lecturer, Studies in Religious History, School
of Letters, Arts and Media, The University of Sydney, and Editor, "The
Journal of Religious History". Dr Vrasidis Karalis is Associate
Professor in Modern Greek, The University of Sydney.

[Jeff Lynch]

DearvTed,
youm have aked me if i wish to have 'an absract of one
work...........Hey i do......end me a lava floe baby!
Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Done. Enjoy! :)

[Jeff Lynch]

Ted ..hey thanks I will set asid e 'good time' to read it ...
Thanks
Jeff

[Michael]

That's fascinating Ted and I'll be spooking from the front row.

I'm not familiar with some of the works you will be examining so I
guess that will put me at a disadvantage.

Eschatology - I love the Greeks.

On Jun 5, 7:52 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Jeff Lynch]

Michael it may be possible that you just LOVE Eschatology!
Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

You mean that, like Keats, he's "half in love with easeful death"? :)

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

On Jun 22, 12:32 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:
> That's fascinating Ted and I'll be spooking from the front row.

That's fine. Sydney Uni is of course one of *my* old haunts!

> I'm not familiar with some of the works you will be examining so I
> guess that will put me at a disadvantage.

I should note here that, although I didn't mention it in the abstract,
I will certainly be citing Tolkien works. Perhaps the classic case of
the spirit returning to complete an unfinished task is Gandalf. He
returns dressed in white (ghost uniform almost) and declares that he
has been "sent back - for a brief time until my task is done". Then
there are the Dead Men of Dunharrow (to fulfil their broken vows),
Beren (to complete the union with Luthien for which he strove so hard)
and perhaps others, eg the barrow wights. Niggle is a good example of
one who didn't need to return - his life's work was there, complete,
on the Other Side.

[Jeff Lynch]

Not really..Michael seems always to ease himself ino a scenario which
requires full on imaginative end of days wishful thinking.err religion
is of course only one of these(scenarios) but Right on Mr Keats anyway
TEd....Hey Ted I am working on some more eschatological Lit
themes..first cab off the rank 'An Inspector Calls' by J. B.
Priestley...a play do ya know the thing Ted?
Jeff
PS it will also require attention to most Hindu religious thinking and
nat Buddha' s thinking th' I think not(thank Christ a religion as
such!

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

But is it going ahead?

Chris Hartney wrote to me on 5 June saying:

"We will send you registration details in a few weeks."

It's a few weeks later.

The Sydney Society for Literature and Aesthetics and The Society for

Studies in Religion, Literature and the Arts, supposedly the two
organisations supporting the proposed conference, both have web pages,
and neither of them mentions this conference.

I haven't seen any reference to the conference other than the initial
posting, and some other web pages that have reproduced this posting.

Anyone read or heard anything more? I'd like to see some more evidence
that it's going to happen before I spend more time writing a paper.

[Michael]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't going ahead but I can understand your
concerns. Why don't you send him an e-mail if you haven't heard
anything by the end of the week.

On Jun 26, 11:48 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Sounds like a reasonable course of action. I had by no means given up
on them.

> > > Chris Hartney: chris.hartney_at_usyd.edu.au- Hide quoted text -

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I wrote to Chris Hartney with a cc to Vrasidas Karalis. It was the
latter (Associate Professor of Modern Greek at Uni of Sydney) who
replied. Yes, he said, of course it's on. And "You are on. Prepare
yourself." followed by the news that the provisional program should be
out in the first week of August. It sounded like an exhortation to me
to keep my powder dry and don't shoot until I see the whites of their
eyes. :)

On Jun 30, 6:53 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:

[Jeff Lynch]

Ok Michael come clean .O where art thou?.......It is unclear to me if you are now heading for der trolls or not?

And if not why not and vy are you zo zilent these days........myhaps ther iz der prfezzional reazins vor dis hein?

O der Bergen Blues ist gut.....zo gut... You must also be in FLAM...der Flabanan (near vertical ) railway started during WW2 is spectaculkar coming off as it does from der Hardanger Plateau...... covered in ice und snow .........

( der plateau) up to mid sommer...the little train down to der Soderfjiord ist eine wunder .......err.... der wundekind of all Norways engineering (almost).... der gross sea liners tie up in the narrow but very deep Fjiord at Flam und you can go out by sea on der ferry to Bergen.....I did!

Ist gut.Ja

Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Jeff.

On Jul 23, 9:10 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok Michael come clean .O where art thou?.......It is unclear to me if you
> are now heading for der trolls or not?

He's lost in the land of the Vikings, perchance.

>And if not why not and vy are you zo zilent these days........myhaps ther iz
> der prfezzional reazins vor dis hein?

Nah! He's gone back in time. You can't reach him. Methinks.

> O der Bergen Blues ist gut.....zo gut... You must also be in FLAM...der
> Flabanan (near vertical ) railway started during WW2 is spectaculkar coming
> off as it does from der Hardanger Plateau...... covered in ice und snow
> .........
> ( der plateau) up to mid sommer...the little train down to der Soderfjiord
> ist eine wunder .......err.... der wundekind of all Norways engineering
> (almost).... der gross sea liners tie up in the narrow but very deep Fjiord
> at Flam und you can go out by sea on der ferry to Bergen.....I did!
> Ist gut.Ja
> Jeff

Jawohl, I'm sure. But you may need to await his return from the magic
kingdom.

Then again I could be mistaken. Don't take everything I say literally.
---..--___****##____-----__+++++\\\\\
read between the lines.

Cheers, and look for mail from me soon.

[Marayong]

Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
> Hi Jeff.
>
> On Jul 23, 9:10 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok Michael come clean .O where art thou?.......It is unclear to me if you
>> are now heading for der trolls or not?

Strange ... Michael's not the only "thing" lost ... Jeff's email (to
which Ted's reply I'm replying to) never reached me.

Where oh where did it go???

Oh, I saw the GP yesterday evening since I've still got this persistent
cough from the pneumonia ... turns out I have allergic asthma .. which
is a technical term for lung damage caused by things such as pneumonia.
Have two different inhalers to use and hopefully that'll both fix the
problem and ease the coughing. :(

cheers,
David (not so lost)

>
> He's lost in the land of the Vikings, perchance.
>
>> And if not why not and vy are you zo zilent these days........myhaps ther iz
>> der prfezzional reazins vor dis hein?
>
> Nah! He's gone back in time. You can't reach him. Methinks.
>
>> O der Bergen Blues ist gut.....zo gut... You must also be in FLAM...der
>> Flabanan (near vertical ) railway started during WW2 is spectaculkar coming
>> off as it does from der Hardanger Plateau...... covered in ice und snow
>> .........
>> ( der plateau) up to mid sommer...the little train down to der Soderfjiord
>> ist eine wunder .......err.... der wundekind of all Norways engineering
>> (almost).... der gross sea liners tie up in the narrow but very deep Fjiord
>> at Flam und you can go out by sea on der ferry to Bergen.....I did!
>> Ist gut.Ja
>> Jeff
>
> Jawohl, I'm sure. But you may need to await his return from the magic
> kingdom.
>
> Then again I could be mistaken. Don't take everything I say literally.
> ---..--___****##____-----__+++++\\\\\
> read between the lines.
>
> Cheers, and look for mail from me soon.
>
> >
>

--

Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008

http://roots-boots.net mailto:dra...@roots-boots.net

[Jeff Lynch]

Ah this because I need science help (again) Ted Dave or?

What would it be like on Mars for humans...atmosphere is thin and 95. something carbon dioxide....I know that they need breathing app...but would they bounce like on the moon or not...what is the strength of gravity? Heavier than the moon I suppose.

 

Also.......It is v cold ..........what would that mean if it was -49 or -62 degrees?........................lots of time in bed?

 

next draft soon..... to any who want it!.......it is entertaining me heaps.............never mind anybody else!

Jeff 

[Michael]

I'm back I think. It's difficult to be sure of anything at the moment
as it feels as if a vice is squeezing my brain, courtesy of jet-lag!
Anyone know of any cures.

What a trip though! Norway is something else. From the
otherworldliness of the Norwegian landscape through to the raw beauty
of the Viking ships, it now seems somewhat surreal. I could have
stayed longer, even if the kroner-dollar exchange rate suggested
otherwise.

Jeff - I could live in Bergen - well for a few months of the year
anyway. I don't think I'd be steely enough to handle the dark winter
months.

Plenty of photos. What do you want to see? Trolls, waterfalls, ships,
or blondes?

[Jeff Lynch]

Michael.exactly how I felt about Bergen too!

Sing sing or show us your thing Mike...your piccies please

And are you well depite your expensive lagging illness Michael...some of us (more gentle creatures) have been worried about your long sinence(s) mate....Komm to Melbourne Darlink..I saw David here recently we went to the !!!!!!!!! (AB FAB) Art Deco show,together with MY LEANNA........rrrr my fashion (our) Fashion Desogner mate 29 years old of raw talent that babe is.....having a showing this coming week(be v careful Michael.I know how wyour mind works darlink!......PS Leanna goes to Berlin mit my assiatance.........err not my body I am wintering bloody well cold here in Melb thank you v much!...I just gave L a small amount of Dough(I could not really afford) to fly to Berlin....und vy? Because darlinks I believe in DEr Art vorld dots vy!...if u think that I boast I always did tell my daughters that hideen virte is no virtu.....like Milton says nsomething much the same about banning literature in his wunderbar Aeropagitiga.....Yes Mikey ...another great short piece of idea s writing to not miss reading before you die! Milton thought much the same as did Lord Bertrand Russel....the diff?.........between these two famous men?

Lord Russell was a horny young man and  a horny old man and Milton was blind!

 

Question Ted!

What saved Lord B. Russel from being drowned in the seaplane that crash landed in Norway......this is NOT a joke Mikey? Be good and I vill gif u der answer soon

This week is also the MIFF week!....small kisses for anybody who guesses what MIFF is ...I go to it when I am in town......like Mike boringly asking how to rid hiself of der lag! Yep I know how to rid ya self of that Mike!

Go on a Queer And Nasty Try Another Service....flight from hong kong to Melbourne...could be a v good cure boyhos...............

Well after that small lag of time .MIFF is the Melb Film Festival.Hey u knew that Ted vat a vunder u are u old Mountain Berggeist.

Jeff

Remember Pictures Mikey! 

[Marayong]

Jeff Lynch wrote:

Welcome back Michael!!

Hmmm.. googlegroups is playing silly buggers again .. sending out posts
after some delay ... I've gotten Jeff's reply but not Michael's
original. One well .. makes life interesting trying to reconstruct the
earlier email. Or I could wait until the original arrives .. but that's
boring and one could miss the boat. Unless it's a slow boat to China.

> mate....Komm to Melbourne Darlink..I saw David here recently we went to
> the !!!!!!!!! (AB FAB) Art Deco show,together with MY LEANNA........rrrr
> my fashion (our) Fashion Desogner mate 29 years old of raw talent that

Well I'd not call it "raw" ... talent in the process of being polished? :)

As for the Art Deco stuff .. whilst coming from a science background, I
could not appreciate it to the extent a bunch or arty farty types could
(I was outnumbered by them 3 to 1), still I'd certainly recommend it. I
suspect no-one would like everything, but there'd be plenty to appeal to
all tastes.

> Lord Russell was a horny young man and a horny old man and Milton was
> blind!

Syphilis? The blindness, that is. :)

> This week is also the MIFF week!....small kisses for anybody who guesses
> what MIFF is ...I go to it when I am in town......like Mike boringly
> asking how to rid hiself of der lag! Yep I know how to rid ya self of
> that Mike!

Melbourne International Film Festival. I'll pass on the kisses tho'.
Save 'em for Leanna & Gwen (her mum). Oh, and a chaste "hello one" for
DB, who was in hiding while I was there (hope she's recovered from her
bug?).

> Remember Pictures Mikey!

Yes please!!!

I found a few Ents while I was down in Melbourne. I'll try to remember
to put them aside for Tilkal once I've sorted all the foto's I took
(over 1600).

cheers,
David

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Jeff.

On Jul 25, 9:09 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah this because I need science help (again) Ted Dave or?
> What would it be like on Mars for humans...atmosphere is thin and 95.
> something carbon dioxide....I know that they need breathing app...but would
> they bounce like on the moon or not...what is the strength of gravity?
> Heavier than the moon I suppose.

I don't have all this info at my fingertips but I'm sure it's about on
the internet. Suggest that you start with the Wikipedia and go from
there. You want atmospheric pressure, composition of atmosphere,
typical temperature ranges at different spots, eg equator, poles) and
surface gravity.

> Also.......It is v cold ..........what would that mean if it was -49 or -62
> degrees?........................lots of time in bed?

V.i but as I recall it gets well below -70 C at the poles - colder
than our south pole and much colder than our north pole.Dry Ice (solid
CO2) is down in that range.

> next draft soon..... to any who want it!.......it is entertaining me
> heaps.............never mind anybody else!
> Jeff

Yes, I'll have a read of it. Btw, Jeff, I've read your review of
Tolkien's "On Fairy-stories" but I don't feel that I can do it justice
until I've read the essay again, which I'm doing now. However, I can
say that it appears JRRT only uses two spelling variations on "fairy"
that are relevant to modern times; one is "fairy" itself, the mythical
being usually considered diminutive (but not necessarily) and usually
possessing magical powers, the other is "Faërie", pronounced "fay-er-
ie" and meaning the place or state of being of fairies, or similar. In
"The Hobbit" JRRT uses "Faërie" to refer to Aman, Eldamar or Valinor.
Other spelling variations appear to me to be from different times, eg
Spenser's "Fairey (or whatever) Queene".

[Jeff Lynch]

David...in essence Mikey i s back from der Nord(Norge!)...he says dot he would gif mooch to live in der berg called Bergen......und he has der piktures!...ya?

I have printed off relevant wikkie stuff and taken notice of ya comments on Mars Dave....don't start reading the current draft....tomorrow I will (likely) send you 20,000 words of updated 'The Second Team'.....

Jeff

[Marayong]

G'day Jeff,

Didn't get your post with your questions .. it went to some electronic
hell for eternal damnation and torture. Prolly lost in the US somewhere. :)

>> Ah this because I need science help (again) Ted Dave or?
>> What would it be like on Mars for humans...atmosphere is thin and 95.
>> something carbon dioxide....I know that they need breathing app...but would
>> they bounce like on the moon or not...what is the strength of gravity?
>> Heavier than the moon I suppose.

Atmosphere .... it's not breathable, but the density is enough that they
would not need spacesuits but they would need pressurised breathing gear
and some sort of environmental suit, possibly also pressurised, but
definitely insulated from the cold.

Atmospheric pressure on Mars = approx 1KPa
Atmospheric Pressure top Everest = 30KPa
Atmospheric pressure @ Sea Level (Earth) = 101.3KPa

So you can see the pressure is very low ... but it is not zero. I don't
know the physiological effects of 1KPa pressure on the human skin ..

Ahh ... the air pressure on Mars is such that liquid water cannot exist
.. it would either freeze if the temp was cold enuf or it would boil.
Either way, that means astronauts would need pressurised suits to
survive anything but short (less than 10mins?) exposures. The human body
can withstand exposure to vacuum for short periods (no eyes popping out
etc), apart from the lack of oxygen to breathe, of course. Longer
exposure to vacuum (or Martian atmosphere) would result in increasing
water loss from the body and eventually death - assuming the person had
pressurised air for breathing, else death would be a lot sooner!

As far as I can tell, you can't hold your breathe in when in a vacuum
(or Martian air). Thus in the case of an emergency, an astronaut could
dash say 20 metres across the surface unprotected and without breathing
gear. The lack of oxygen would kill him/her first. So it would be
feasible to have him/her dashing from a failing environmental bubble to
the spacecraft, with no protection other than indoors clothing. As long
as it wasn't too far away! Would likely end up with frostbite on the
feet from touching the ground and the hands opening the airlock.

Oh, before starting the dash the astronaut would have to hyperventilate
(fill the blood with oxygen), breathe out to empty the lungs and then
exit into the Martian atmosphere for the dash. Trying to hold one's
breath in a vacuum would likely cause lung damage.

Gravity.

Martian gravity is less than Earth's, but consideraby more than that of
the Moon.

Mars surface gravity = 3.7 m/s2
Earth's surface gravity = 9.8 m/s2
Lunar surface gravity = 1.6 m/s2

Walking on Mars would likely be like being in a lift quickly dropping
... say like the lift in the Rialto Tower as it descends (I assume
you've been up there Jeff). You'd have spring in your step but you'd not
be bouncing around like on the Moon.

I can't find firm data on the gravity drop in descending elevators, but
typical figures I see bandied around suggest a drop of about 30% .. that
is, the apparent gravity could drop to around 6 m/s2. More for high
speed elevators. So the apparent gravity in the Rialto elevator as it
goes down could be around 5-7m/s2. Rounding off, that on Mars is 4m/s2,
so not much difference.

So ... walking on Mars would be a bit springy, but not bouncing like the
Moon.

Also ... the idea that you bounce on the Moon comes from the video of
Aldrin (I think) bouncing over the Moon. He was actually doing an
impromptu scientific experiment and intentionally bouncing. The normal
mode of moving would be walking, just like on Earth. I read about it a
while back, alas can't recall any more details. But bouncing on the Moon
being normal is an urban legend.

>> Also.......It is v cold ..........what would that mean if it was -49 or -62
>> degrees?........................lots of time in bed?
>
> V.i but as I recall it gets well below -70 C at the poles - colder
> than our south pole and much colder than our north pole.Dry Ice (solid
> CO2) is down in that range.

The measured temp has varied between -140C up to +20C. Because of the
low air pressure it really varies depending on whether you are in day or
night, near the pole or the equator, in shadow or in sunlight. The
Martian "ice caps" are mostly dry ice with some water ice underneath.

Average temps during the day on the equator are around 0C. Cold but not
inhumanly cold.

cheers,
David

>
>> next draft soon..... to any who want it!.......it is entertaining me
>> heaps.............never mind anybody else!
>> Jeff
>
> Yes, I'll have a read of it. Btw, Jeff, I've read your review of
> Tolkien's "On Fairy-stories" but I don't feel that I can do it justice
> until I've read the essay again, which I'm doing now. However, I can
> say that it appears JRRT only uses two spelling variations on "fairy"
> that are relevant to modern times; one is "fairy" itself, the mythical
> being usually considered diminutive (but not necessarily) and usually
> possessing magical powers, the other is "Faërie", pronounced "fay-er-
> ie" and meaning the place or state of being of fairies, or similar. In
> "The Hobbit" JRRT uses "Faërie" to refer to Aman, Eldamar or Valinor.
> Other spelling variations appear to me to be from different times, eg
> Spenser's "Fairey (or whatever) Queene".
>
>
> >
>

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

On Jul 26, 9:05 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Question Ted!
> What saved Lord B. Russel from being drowned in the seaplane that crash
> landed in Norway......this is NOT a joke Mikey? Be good and I vill gif u der
> answer soon

I've no idea, Jeff. Perhaps it crash landed on land :) I was recently
reminded of Russel(l?)'s Paradox. How many sets are there that are
members of themselves? Well, I found one - ASX, the Australian Stock
Exchange. It's a member of the Australian Stock Exchange itself and
its shares are traded there. As I understand it.

> > > Jeff- Hide quoted text -

[Michael]

I'm still going through the pictures. I guess I'll post some on
photobucket, where I have an account. I'll send the link through when
I'm done.


On Jul 29, 9:00 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Jeff Lynch]

Hey Mihkail were you on the Flambanan Railway?

Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Just got this in the mail:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Registrations are now open for:

CREATIVE FANTASY IN RELIGIOUS IMAGINATION
for the Conference organized at the University of Sydney on
Friday-Saturday, September 26-27, 2008.

The 20th century has witnessed a renewed expression of religious
imagination
through modern literary, artistic and philosophical forms.
The conference invites papers discussing the new religious creativity
as
found in the works of C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Philip K. Dick,
Philip
Pullman and others beyond any religious or cultural boundaries.
Special emphasis is given to new forms of religious imagination
through the
internet, cinematic transformations and new movements both in East and
West.
The Conference would like to address issues of both traditional and
contemporary post-modern spirituality
as expressed through the mytho-poetics of fantasy and imagination.

Times: Friday 26 September 9.00 for 9.30AM 5.30PM
Saturday 27 September 9.30AM - 5.30PM

Venue: Woolley Common Room, Level 4, Woolley Building, Science Road,
University of Sydney.

Costs:
Both days (inc catering but not Friday-night dinner) $120.00
Student rate: $90.00
One day rate $70.00
Student Rate: $55.00

Please send cheques to:

Chris Hartney: (har...@usyd.edu.au <mailto:har...@usyd.edu.au> )

Studies in Religion

Woolley A20

University of Sydney

NSW 2006

Credit Cards

Please provide:

Card Name:

Card Number:

Expiry Date:

Amount:

Signature:

Payment by cash will be accepted on the day and receipts posted
beforehand
if requested.


The conference agenda will soon appear at:

www.arts.usyd.edu.au/departs/religion/?page=rla

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cost is high!


On 18/7/08 12:51 PM, "Edwin A. Scribner" <kre...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi Vras. You wrote:
>
>> ted of course its' going on
>> it is othe only period we can have some days off
>> you are on
>> prepare yoruself
>> in the firts week of august you will recieve the provisional program
>
> Thanks. I will certainly endeavour to be ready.
>
> Ted
>

--

Dr Christopher Hartney
Editor, The Journal of Religious History
Lecturer, Studies in Religions
School of Letters, Arts and Media
The University of Sydney

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

No info on the web page and as yet no more info from the organisers.
More when I know more. If you know more please tell me.

On Aug 20, 8:20 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

> Chris Hartney: (hart...@usyd.edu.au <mailto:hart...@usyd.edu.au> )

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Jeff Lynch]

Hey.the 'hart' email FAILS Ted and Mike?

????????????

Jeff

Do you know when ans if you will be up on stage yet Ted?

Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

No news. I've been led to believe I'm on the program but not when.

[Jeff Lynch]

Just like you Ted I'm still hanging on the lecture day and hour.......As soon as.....

btw have I told you lately how much enjoyment I get from reading the Patick O'Brien Aubrey and Maturin series...........of sea dog books?

They are just yummy ....and there is some 21....22 of em

Jeff 

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I will try to phone Chris Hartney this week. Stay tuned.

Ted

[Jeff Lynch]

Happy to stay tuned Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's me humming

Jeff

[Michael]

Humming still Jeff?

Jeff - I must pass on to you a novel I just read called 'Imprimatur'.
Do you know it? If you like history (set in 1683), secrets, religion,
music, language, politics, diseases, sex, herbs, drink, power, poetry,
murder, and royal machinations in prose that reads like poetry, then
this is for you. I'll put it aside.

I'm as busy as ever. If this goes on for too much longer a career
change is on the horizon. I'm thinking of moving into puppetry.

Michael

On Sep 10, 9:16 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Happy to stay tuned
> Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's me humming
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
>

[Jeff Lynch]

Hmmmmm....puppetry eh?

Ah but will you be the puppet or the puppeteer Michael............that is the question.........puppets run away and no wonder......and the puppeteers stay there and get rich Hein?

Jeff...and no I don't know Imprimatur Mike

[Marayong]

Michael wrote:
> Humming still Jeff?

Either that or purring.

> I'm as busy as ever. If this goes on for too much longer a career
> change is on the horizon. I'm thinking of moving into puppetry.

As the puppet or the puppeteer?

cheers,
David

>
> Michael
>
> On Sep 10, 9:16 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Happy to stay tuned
>> Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's me humming
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
>>
>> blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will try to phone Chris Hartney this week. Stay tuned.
>>> Ted
>>> On Sep 9, 1:14 pm, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just like you Ted I'm still hanging on the lecture day and hour.......As
>>>> soon as.....
>>>> btw have I told you lately how much enjoyment I get from reading the
>>> Patick
>>>> O'Brien Aubrey and Maturin series...........of sea dog books?
>>>> They are just yummy ....and there is some 21....22 of em
>>>> Jeff
> >
>

--

[Marayong]

Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Hmmmmm....puppetry eh?
> Ah but will you be the puppet or the puppeteer Michael............that
> is the question.........puppets run away and no wonder......and the
> puppeteers stay there and get rich Hein?

Shades of Heinlein? (His novel, the "Puppet Master")

cheers,
David

> Jeff...and no I don't know Imprimatur Mike
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au
> <mailto:m...@activ8.net.au>> wrote:
>
>
> Humming still Jeff?
>
> Jeff - I must pass on to you a novel I just read called 'Imprimatur'.
> Do you know it? If you like history (set in 1683), secrets, religion,
> music, language, politics, diseases, sex, herbs, drink, power, poetry,
> murder, and royal machinations in prose that reads like poetry, then
> this is for you. I'll put it aside.
>
> I'm as busy as ever. If this goes on for too much longer a career
> change is on the horizon. I'm thinking of moving into puppetry.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sep 10, 9:16 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com

> <mailto:jeffreybly...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Happy to stay tuned
> > Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's
> me humming
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
> >

> > blackheathkre...@gmail.com <mailto:blackheathkre...@gmail.com>>

> wrote:
> >
> > > I will try to phone Chris Hartney this week. Stay tuned.
> >
> > > Ted
> >
> > > On Sep 9, 1:14 pm, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com

> <mailto:jeffreybly...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Just like you Ted I'm still hanging on the lecture day and
> hour.......As
> > > > soon as.....
> > > > btw have I told you lately how much enjoyment I get from
> reading the
> > > Patick
> > > > O'Brien Aubrey and Maturin series...........of sea dog books?
> > > > They are just yummy ....and there is some 21....22 of em
> > > > Jeff
>
>
>
> >

--

[Marayong]

Try No.2. It blackholed the first time ... 5 hours and no sign of it.

Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Hmmmmm....puppetry eh?
> Ah but will you be the puppet or the puppeteer Michael............that
> is the question.........puppets run away and no wonder......and the
> puppeteers stay there and get rich Hein?

Shades of Heinlein? (His novel, the "Puppet Master")

cheers,
David

> Jeff...and no I don't know Imprimatur Mike

>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au
> <mailto:m...@activ8.net.au>> wrote:
>
>
> Humming still Jeff?
>
> Jeff - I must pass on to you a novel I just read called 'Imprimatur'.
> Do you know it? If you like history (set in 1683), secrets, religion,
> music, language, politics, diseases, sex, herbs, drink, power, poetry,
> murder, and royal machinations in prose that reads like poetry, then
> this is for you. I'll put it aside.
>
> I'm as busy as ever. If this goes on for too much longer a career
> change is on the horizon. I'm thinking of moving into puppetry.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sep 10, 9:16 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com

> <mailto:jeffreybly...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Happy to stay tuned
> > Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's
> me humming
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
> >

> > blackheathkre...@gmail.com <mailto:blackheathkre...@gmail.com>>

> wrote:
> >
> > > I will try to phone Chris Hartney this week. Stay tuned.
> >
> > > Ted
> >
> > > On Sep 9, 1:14 pm, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com

> <mailto:jeffreybly...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Just like you Ted I'm still hanging on the lecture day and
> hour.......As
> > > > soon as.....
> > > > btw have I told you lately how much enjoyment I get from
> reading the
> > > Patick
> > > > O'Brien Aubrey and Maturin series...........of sea dog books?
> > > > They are just yummy ....and there is some 21....22 of em
> > > > Jeff
>
>
>
> >

--

[Marayong]

Try No.2. It blackholed the first time ... 5 hours and no sign of it.

Michael wrote:
> Humming still Jeff?

Either that or purring.

> I'm as busy as ever. If this goes on for too much longer a career

> change is on the horizon. I'm thinking of moving into puppetry.

As the puppet or the puppeteer?

cheers,
David

>

> Michael
>
> On Sep 10, 9:16 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Happy to stay tuned
>> Ted.....................................MMMMMMMMMMM.......that's me humming
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
>>
>> blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will try to phone Chris Hartney this week. Stay tuned.
>>> Ted
>>> On Sep 9, 1:14 pm, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just like you Ted I'm still hanging on the lecture day and hour.......As
>>>> soon as.....
>>>> btw have I told you lately how much enjoyment I get from reading the
>>> Patick
>>>> O'Brien Aubrey and Maturin series...........of sea dog books?
>>>> They are just yummy ....and there is some 21....22 of em
>>>> Jeff
> >
>

--

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Test

On Sep 9, 6:47 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Last three times my post was unsuccessful.

On Sep 9, 6:47 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"
<blackheathkre...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

[goes happily off whistling Gounod's "Funeral March of the Marionette"
- better known as the theme from the "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" TV
show of the 1960's]

On Sep 16, 12:10 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

No word yet and nothing on their web page. Besides which something
rather important has now come up on the Saturday. Don't count on my
attending this CONference.

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Please disregard my last reply. I've just got the timetable. I'm
scheduled for 11.15 am Friday (26th). 20 minutes talk, 5 mins
questions. Full timetable follows. I don't know what the format was
but I am just "breaking in" a new computer and haven't got most
software yet loaded so it was opened in Notepad. I won't be going to
the conference dinner (Friday night) or the Saturday session.

Draft Timetable.

Excepting Keynotes (45min), paper length is 20 minutes plus 5 minutes
for questions.

FRIDAY

9.00AM – 9.30AM – Registration
9.30AM – 10.15AM Associate Professor Norman Simms University of
Waikato Key Note
10.15 – 10.45 Raymond A Younis, Head of Academic Programs, CQU
(Sydney) Space, Time, Being and Estrangement
10.45AM-11.15AM Morning Tea
11.15AM-11.45AM Edwin A. Scribner Eschatology and Unfinished Business
11.45AM-12.15PM Roslyn Weaver God and His Angels: Religion and Fantasy
from Lewis and Tolkien to Pullman and Harland
12.15PM-12.45PM Sarah Penicka University of Sydney Fantasia on a
Nexus: Robert Graves, Igor Stravinksy, and Thomas Pynchon’s V
12.45PM-1.15PM Andrew Wearring University of Sydney Xenophobia as the
source of horror in the use of minor religious cults in H. P.
Lovecraft’s Weird Fiction
1.15PM – 2.00PM Lunch
2.00PM-2.25PM Zoe Alderton University of Sydney Nick Cave: from an
Anglican God to the Creative Christ
2.25PM-2.50PM Roland Boer Monash University Nick Cave's Trinity: Love,
Pain and Women
2.50PM-3.15PM Siv Jansson Victoria University Wellington and Massey
University Charles de Lint, Environment and Fantasy
3.15PM-3.40PM Jennifer Bennett University of Sydney Belief as a
creative force in the Discworld
3.40PM-4.00PM Afternoon Tea 4.00PM-4.25PM CONTACT _Con-41B733B01B3 \c
\s \l Lauren Bernauer University of Sydney 'Elune be praised!' World
of Warcraft, its people, religions and their real world inspiration.
4.25PM-4.50PM Venetia Robertson University of Sydney Deus ex Machina?
Witchcraft and the Techno-World
4.50PM-5.15PM Alex Norman University of Sydney The Disappointing
Real: Negotiating Fantasy and Reality on the Road to Santiago
6.30-7.00 CONFERENCE DINNER


SATURDAY

9.00AM-9.45AM Vrasidas Karalis University of Sydney Is technology the
spiritual consummation of human evolution? Notes on Stanley Kubrick's
2001 Space Odyssey (1968)
9.45AM-10.10AM Markus Ekkehard Locker Monash University Ateneo de
Manila University Talking Science, Speaking of Faith: Religious
Imagination through Scientific Paradoxes
10.10AM-10.35AM Carole M. Cusack University of Sydney 'Robert A.
Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land and the Church of All Worlds'
10.35AM-11.00AM Christopher Hartney University of Sydney With Spain in
our Hearts: Centres, Imperial and Otherwise, in two films of Guillermo
Del Toro.
11.00AM-11.25AM Morning Tea
11.25AM-11.50AM Simon Theobald University of Sydney Youtube, Hate and
Faith
11.50AM-12.15PM Annabel Carr University of Sydney From Lewis Carroll
to CS Lewis: Playing Padre Incognito
12.15AM-12.40PM Alice Mills Revisiting the Dead
12.40PM-1.20PM Lunch
1.20PM-1.55PM Jessica Garrahy University of Queenland Pullman and the
Golden Compass
1.55PM-2.20PM Darshana Jayemanne University of Melbourne The Virtual
and the Fantastic: Play and Ritual Online
2.20PM-2.55PM CONTACT _Con-41B733B0207 \c \s \l Milad
Milani University of Sydney Soteriology in Peter Jackson’s Lord of The
Rings Trilogy and the Wachowski Brothers’ The Matrix Trilogy
2.55PM-3.20PM Julie Kelso University of Queensland Origination and the
Holy Mark of the Motherless Body: Pilate’s absent navel in Toni
Morrison’s Song of Solomon
3.20PM-3.40PM Afternoon Tea
3.40PM-4.05PM Shyamalika Heffernan University of Sydney Fantasy as
Faith
4.05PM-4.30PM Dominique Beth Wilson University of Sydney
Counterfactual Christianity: Myth and Re-Imagined Religion in
Jacqueline Carey’s Kushiel’s legacy.
4.30PM-4.55PM Andrew Wearring University of Sydney Changing, Out-of-
work, Dead and Reborn Gods in the fiction of Neil Gaiman

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I didn't realise when I posted the above that those files were
either .rtf or quite compatible with .rtf and that I of course had
wordpad in this computer.

I have all the abstracts as well as the draft timetable. If you want
copies let me know. Have I posted here that I'll be changing isps? In
the interim please use krenon at y7mail.com if you want me.

Michael, the reference to "Pullman and Harland" in the title of Roslyn
Weaver's talk does not refer to Felicity Pullman, the local Arthurian
fantasist (it refers to Philip Pullman), but the Harland is definitely
our Richard, in reference to his "Heaven and Earth" ("Ferren and the
Angels") trilogy.

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[Jeff Lynch]

I copy that Ted and what's more I did print off a copy of the Friday's events at the CON...........if I hear that Michael will be able to meet me (in Sydney) some time .I may well still come up...no bookings at all as yet though!

Still it won't be the first time that I went somwhere..with so litle prep time...keeped well Ted (MONSTAR!)

Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Please come if you can, Jeff, and bring a blunt instrument in case
some of those arty geeks try to have a go at me. ;)

Cheers,

Ted

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[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

If pure numbers interest anyone here: my talk currently runs to 3423
words, which can be compared with the 3228 in the talk I gave at the
Tolkien seminar last year. I may do further editing but not
necessarily. My talk will be available, to anyone interested, after
next Friday.

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[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Some time ago, David wrote:

>Jeff Lynch wrote:
>> Hmmmmm....puppetry eh?
>> Ah but will you be the puppet or the puppeteer Michael............that
>> is the question.........puppets run away and no wonder......and the
>> puppeteers stay there and get rich Hein?


>Shades of Heinlein? (His novel, the "Puppet Master")

and I tried to reply. I tried several times, always with "message
cannot be sent" or similar. In other places I was getting posts
through. This is another place.

My comment: Shades of Larry Niven and his Pierson's Puppeteers!

[David Powell]

Quoting Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <blackhea...@gmail.com>:

Shades of Big Brother ... obviously this list is being censored. El
Presidente ... methinks it's time to move to less brown pastures!!!

Will this get thru'? Probably not ... I seem to have a less than 1 in
5 success rate. Evidently I'm considered an undesirable!

cheers,
David

--
Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Mischael ... are you able to come next Friday?

On Sep 19, 12:17 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

That should have read Michael. :)

On Sep 20, 11:20 am, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Jeff Lynch]

MMmm Ted I am not sure that 3423 is an auspicious number or not .........will consult my oracles...

TED Have booked a seat(on an aeroplane) for Friday morn.......(26th)......(early) will you register at the Uni for me please?

Do not Pay!......... just register..........or if you like I will have a punch up at the door to get my front seat to hear you!

Spoke to Michael last night.......He aske dme to post the prospect of a TH meeting the weekend I am in Sydney....could be Friday after your talkest Ted...........in near or around the uni district???????? or Saturday mayhaps!............I will be there and available...........(as usual I am anybodys)........so I don't count .........what say? Michael and I have agreed to meet whatever transpireshe hopes but cannot be sure of hearing your OM ted....OM? yep you got that one Ted? OM equals Opus Magnus!.....I will likely return on Sunday or just perhaps the Monday(Costs rule of course) accomodation!..........I have a flexible Virgin you know!.....a cheap one on the way up .......and an expensive one on the way back that's the way to do things!

Well what say Davo, Peter and Ted?.Anyone for Tennis?

Jeff 

[Michael]

Ted, I am 50-50!

At this stage next Friday is free for me, but there's a chance I may
have to work Friday morning, which would mean I would likely miss your
presentation. However, as Jeff has mentioned, at the very least I
could meet up with you, Jeff, and whoever would like to come along,
later in the day perhaps. I am flexible as to where.

I will know more when I return from NZ on Wednesday.

Michael

On Sep 20, 11:28 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MMmm Ted I am not sure that 3423 is an auspicious number or not
> .........will consult my oracles...
> TED Have booked a seat(on an aeroplane) for Friday
> morn.......(26th)......(early) will you register at the Uni for me please?
> Do not Pay!......... just register..........or if you like I will have a
> punch up at the door to get my front seat to hear you!
> Spoke to Michael last night.......He aske dme to post the prospect of a TH
> meeting the weekend I am in Sydney....could be Friday after your talkest
> Ted...........in near or around the uni district???????? or Saturday
> mayhaps!............I will be there and available...........(as usual I am
> anybodys)........so I don't count .........what say? Michael and I have
> agreed to meet whatever transpireshe hopes but cannot be sure of hearing
> your OM ted....OM? yep you got that one Ted? OM equals Opus Magnus!.....I
> will likely return on Sunday or just perhaps the Monday(Costs rule of
> course) accomodation!..........I have a flexible Virgin you know!.....a
> cheap one on the way up .......and an expensive one on the way back that's
> the way to do things!
> Well what say Davo, Peter and Ted?.Anyone for Tennis?
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <
>

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Michael.

I don't intend to stay around on Friday after lunch and I'm not
planning on going to the conference on Saturday. I'd be happy to meet
up somewhere either in the city or out this way. "This way" can mean
anywhere between the city and Blackheath, eg Strathfield, Parramatta,
Penrith. However, since you're well south of Sydney may I suggest the
city or near it?

I've had converse with Richard Harland over the subject matter of
Roslyn Weaver's paper (on right after mine). She's addressing
"Tolkien, Lewis, Pullman and Harland" on the general subject of
angels. I didn't see Richard as being quite up in the rarefied
atmosphere of Tolkien, Lewis and Pullman but Richard is very happy to
have been put there by this speaker. He says he remembers her as
having done a doctorate at UOW.

Cheers

Ted

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I'll look for you, Jeff. Do you know your way to the Woolley Building?
By a strange coincidence I went there a few years back with Peter, at
which time we heard a talk by a visiting Prof on "The Mabinogion".
Though it was a bit out of my depth I found it rather interesting.
Anyway, go down (ie west on) Science Road from the Great Hall, keeping
a lookout on your left. The Woolley building is just before the
Wallace Theatre - if you get to Wallace you'e gone too far. If you
find the door to Woolley just go in and ask for "Creative Fantasy in
Religious Imagination".

[Jeff Lynch]

Ted writes.....I don't intend to stay around on Friady after lunch......etc ...(but) i'd be happy to meet up up somewhere etc(pref the city?)

Ted do you mean by this after the AM con session.....ie in the early PM. of the Friday?

..or lunch  and thereon period? Twould sure suit me.....What about you Miskaile would that suit you?.....city would be best for me (in spades)..... of course cos I 'll be staying in the city.......accomadation I mean.........so maybe we listen to a little of the Harland stuff and then defungerate......eh who is Pullman anyhows?

Do not advise me that I am ignorant ........that would be a redundant part of a description of me..sooo Vot iss David Powerwell doing on Friday HMMMMMM...Vorking or not vorking??

Jeff

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Jeff. You wrote:

>On Sep 21, 9:10 am, "Jeff Lynch" <jeffreybly...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Ted writes.....I don't intend to stay around on Friady after lunch......etc
>> ...(but) i'd be happy to meet up up somewhere etc(pref the city?)

> Ted do you mean by this after the AM con session.....ie in the early PM. of
> the Friday?

> ..or lunch  and thereon period? Twould sure suit me.....What about you?

There are two more talks after Roslyn Weaver (on angels) before lunch.
To register for the conference you pay for your lunch. I was for that
reason inclined to stay for lunch. Has Michael definitely ruled
himself out of attending the day's proceedings? I thought he was still
saying "might" in which case we can't yet be definite about anything
on the Friday from him. I think we should play it by ear. Michael, if
you're reading this - I will have 0406 258 237 in my pocket if you
want to pass on up to date news on the morning. I'll naturally have it
turned off during talks but I can get messages between them.

> Miskaile would that suit you?.....city would be best for me (in
> spades)..... of course cos I 'll be staying in the city.......accomadation I
> mean.........

AccoMADation? Just where will you be staying, Jeff? Rozelle? :) That
was where all four of the spec fic festivals were held, not to mention
Michael's show of last year. However, just joking - disregard the
foregoing.

>so maybe we listen to a little of the Harland stuff and then
> defungerate......eh who is Pullman anyhows?

"Philip Pullman CBE (born October 19, 1946) is an English writer. He
is the best-selling author of His Dark Materials, a trilogy of fantasy
novels, and a number of other books."

- the Wikipedia. Most famous for HDM, of which part 1 was called The
Golden Compass in America (Northern Lights elsewhere) and was the
basis for the movie of that name. Pullman is a highly committed
atheist (like Richard Dawkins appears to have become) and is therefore
not liked among Christians (as such of course he clashes with Tolkien
and Lewis - Richard Harland, however, is chuffed to be named in that
exclusive group).

> Do not advise me that I am ignorant ........that would be a redundant part
> of a description of me..sooo Vot iss David Powerwell doing on Friday
> HMMMMMM...Vorking or not vorking??
> Jeff

Methinks that, as a committed Christian, David would not like the
environment of this conference. Correct me if I'm wrong, David. My
daughter would consider it was "dealing with the Devil".

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[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Further to the above...

http://www.richardharland.net/ferren/index.htm

The "Heaven and Earth" trilogy: Ferren and the Angel, Ferren and the
White Doctor, Ferren and the Invasion of Heaven.

plus more about his books.

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[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Michel. We await your reply. Btw what happened on this day that's
relevant to us?

On Sep 20, 7:12 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

At least I didn't call him Gloria Jean :)

I meant Michael of course.

On Sep 21, 1:22 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Jeff Lynch]

WEll on Mihkail first and no he did not absolutely rule himself out of the conference just that he did have to be somewhere wide out of Sydney town first (thet AM) so it IS a good idea for you to have something in your pocket besides the trusty lother materials.

His Dark Materials .did mean to read t too Ted but I was too busy doing stupid things .like writing!

So mayhaps TEd , myself and Mikhail vill meet sometime between afore ya speech and this ist gut hein? 

Oh so you inveigle me to one of these heathen  gatherings which is ddisguised as a goody two shoes Anglo-Catholic affair with the billing of a person like that fine man(and Christian later in his life Mr Lewis..the C.S. type..............

I started to prepare a lecture on this gentleman under Michael's nose and he was kind enough to circumvent me from presenting it to our very own (and last) conference at Sydney!

He did never say no..he just did not say YES!

It was of course based on my own aetheistic bias...what's the plural of bias Ted?

It started really with Lewis ...... Naturally their was a large age discrepancy...not a problem tho' really.....Lewis was probably shell shocked and I do not need to say that he would have thought that he lived on borrowed time.Gather Ye Rose buds.........this was the (very) woman that he always denied....not just thrice tho'........but even to the extent of burning (what he considered the  reason....he disapproved of Lewis' two faced timing about that lady in fact!

This is mostly Panglossed over......like that one Ted?

Actually a syou would know Ted I would not give a twopenny fart about just who Lewis did or did not shag...... Myobjection is a much more moral one than that!

He stands out (to me) as a bloody and normally Anglo- nice person two faced bitch of a man.........like most mealy mouthing Christian do-Gooders of all ages and classes in fact!

Jeff

[David Powell]

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffre...@gmail.com>:

Sorry for the delay in getting back .. was away all weekend.

> Do not advise me that I am ignorant ........that would be a redundant part
> of a description of me..sooo Vot iss David Powerwell doing on Friday
> HMMMMMM...Vorking or not vorking??

Working, alas. Saturday's free, AFAIK, but not friday. :(

cheers,
David

[David Powell]

Quoting Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil <blackhea...@gmail.com>:

> Methinks that, as a committed Christian, David would not like the
> environment of this conference. Correct me if I'm wrong, David. My
> daughter would consider it was "dealing with the Devil".

Since I'm working at the time it's a moot point. But ...

I've had this discussion with our resident atheist before and he
wasn't terribly convinced, but atheism is (roughly!) the belief, with
varying degees of fervour, that there is no such thing as God, god or
gods. Whether one comes to that belief from 'scientific rationalism'
(aka Dawkins) or an emotional gut-feeling, the core of atheism is
centred on a belief that can be neither proved or disproved (the
absence of a deity) - just as one cannot prove there is a god, one
cannot prove there is no god.

The consequence of this is that in a way an atheist can be someone who
is just as deeply religious as say Billy Graham or Mother Teresa, but
has a different set of religious beliefs. (Please don't read too much
into the word "religion" here, aka organised religions, I'm using
'religion' in the very general sense). The fact that books on "world
religions" often include atheism indicates this idea is not unique to
me.

So .. dealing with a bunch of atheists is not much different to
dealing with a bunch of, say, Buddhists or Muslims. Or even Mormons. :)

At least they believe in something (or the absence of a something),
which is something in common .. something that is lacking amongst
those who either don't know or don't care when it comes to matters of
religion ... or avoiding the word "religion", wondering if there is
anything to life outside what science can categorise. Atheists say
"no", but they have examined the question.

Disputes between atheists and theists are generally over-exaggerated
by vested interests. They are nothing compared to the disputes between
theists (of any particular religion) who share similar but not
identical beliefs. Or, I daresay, between atheists who share similar
but not identical beliefs.

Better the enemy you can see clearly and see coming clearly than your
brother who attacks you with no warning or expectation. To paraphrase
what I'm sure has to be a saying.

I also spent over 10 years studying at and working at uni ... so I've
had plenty of exposure to the atheist crowd.

cheers,
David

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

Hi Michael.

On Sep 20, 7:12 pm, Michael <m...@activ8.net.au> wrote:
> Ted, I am 50-50!

Next Thursday I am 65!

> At this stage next Friday is free for me, but there's a chance I may
> have to work Friday morning, which would mean I would likely miss your
> presentation. However, as Jeff has mentioned, at the very least I
> could meet up with you, Jeff, and whoever would like to come along,
> later in the day perhaps. I am flexible as to where.
>
> I will know more when I return from NZ on Wednesday.

Sorry. I didn't notice that last line. I'll look for your post on
Thursday. Suggest Fri pm for preference or Sat am if not, and
somewhere in or near to the city.

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

David, I'm going to have to reply to someome else if I want to reply
to you. Google doesn't like me talking to you. It's rejected three
attempts at same.

On Sep 22, 1:54 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Marayong]

Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil wrote:
> David, I'm going to have to reply to someome else if I want to reply
> to you. Google doesn't like me talking to you. It's rejected three
> attempts at same.

Strange .. maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much trouble
posting to the list & getting posts? Many, if not most, posts I only see
when someone replies to it and I see the original quoted in the reply!

Roots-boots.net is a web-based email that uses a "floating IP address"
or something like that. Some mail servers don't like accepting email
from email servers like mine (comcast.com in the US is an example),
although for those ALL email from me is black holed .. but comcast.cm
users have no trouble emailing me.

If you have trouble reaching me at this address, use my hotmail one:

roots...@hotmail.com

And if that fails you could try using the old triode one,

dra...@triode.net.au

However I don't recommend that since the triode account is always
flooded by spam and I occasionally check to see what proportion of legit
email gets thru' and it's not much. Plus the triode mail server is down
maybe 10-20% of the time & when it's down it black holes the email
rather than bouncing it with an error message.

You could try emailing me using the mail server that comes with your ISP
rather than gmail. Failing all that, I have a few other addresses that
could be used to reach me (my work emails & Cynthia's), but they are not
checked regularly.

cheers,
David

--
Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

I saw your post, David, and attempted to reply but it wouldn't go.
Look for replies somewhere near your post - replies from me anyway.


On Sep 22, 2:06 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

[Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil]

OK. I just *had* to put up post # 100 of this topic. I will put my
talk here next week.

On Sep 22, 7:56 pm, "Ted/Edwin/Eadwine/Herendil"

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