You may have a color management mish-mash in your VueScan and Windows XP system. It's easy to get that muddled, and your VueScan output could be an image scanned into a large color space (say Adobe RGB), and then interpreted by software that doesn't have color management, and thus being displayed as sRGB, which would definitely deflate the colors. If you're not using color management, stick with sRGB. (But a monitor calibrator should be your first purchase after a film scanner, otherwise you're in your own little universe of color interpretation.)
The FilmGet scan looks oversaturated. You've lost detail in the shadows. The colors may look richer as a result but it's not a good image. The Vuescan scan looks like its gone a bit too far the other way.
I'd suggest looking at the preview histogram and grabbing the blackpoint slider and moving it to the right some. Don't cut too far in to the image detail, you should see a point in the image where your blacks come to life but your shadows don't block up. With enough experience you can begin to do this without even looking at the image many times. Just watch the histogram.
When scanning negatives, Vuescan uses a logarithmic tone curve to compress the dynamic range. This compression is the reason for the washed-out appearance. I don't know if there is a way to turn it off.
Apparently this feature was designed into Vuescan in order to make the potentially wide-range subject lightnesses encoded on negatives fit the limited dynamic range of monitors and printers. IMO it just screws up the tone reproduction.
I find that using the 'Generic' setting and following the 'advanced workflow' as per the user guide gives the best results with Vuescan. Using any of the built-in film profiles for me gives very low contrast and washed out colours, not to mention far too bright images. Generic is more contrasty, with the histogram spread over a wider range, and brightness is for the most part spot-on.
My workflow is this: Set black and white points at 0% so there is no clipping (this will give a flat looking scan but the whole density range will be captured), set Colour Balance to White Balance, set film to 'Generic', follow 'advanced workflow' to set exposure and film-base colour, then scan the whole roll with those settings. In Photoshop, an 'Auto Levels' with black/white clipping set to around 0.1% followed by applying an 'S' shaped curve makes the images look a lot better.
I seem to get my best results with color balance set to none, as per the Dale Cotton tutorial linked above. I used the advance workflow to scan a black frame and set the film base colors, downloaded and set an .icm profile for the scanner, tweaked a few other Vuescan settings, and set up a workflow in Photoshop to massage the Vuescan scans after they're done.
I'd like to know if anyone has tried "scanning" film with their digital camera, and taking the image into Vuescan with good results. I've only scratched the surface so far by taking a Lightroom processed DNG into Vuescan and just messing around a little bit. Haven't had a chance to go deep and get a perfect image. Also, I'd like to step away from Lightroom as a proxy film developer software, since the controls are a little clunky after flipping the negative and stretching the histogram. I'd like to use a program MEANT for film conversion! I'd like to read other user's experiences with DSLR scanning and use with Vuescan!
3:26PM, 1 April 2016 PDT(permalink)
I have never considered using scanning software for anything else than reading the data off the source with as much fidelity as possible.
The settings for sharpening and noise reduction in scanner software is often reduced to "None, Low, Medium, High" or similar.
The fact that sharpening can be done in so many ways with tuning to match the image content makes it clear that the above is nothing else than moot. note: The same is valid for noise reduction
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Hannu_E_K edited this topic 99 months ago.
I've tied it , it works if you take the digital raw and convert directly to DNG or tiff without any adjustments or inversions. Warning Vuescan doesn't seem to recognize every form of the DNG wrapper. But for c41 negatives while the colour correction can be decent the results can be noisy.
For myself with c41 I have worked out a way to get good colors without noise but feel there must be a better less convoluted way.
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Metrix X edited this topic 99 months ago.
i recently bought a minolta dimage scan, and its been a real pain to get it to run well. i had issues with the calibration that i think i fixed and now im getting proper focus and alignment in my scans and nothing weird on that front; however, the colour is so strange. ive used vuescan with a nikon 9000 at school during my studies and i have never had anything go this weird on me. i know the colour is never spot on when scanning but im getting a heavy green cast in the blacks of the film border as well as on the mask itself that is suposed to be pure black. it shows up as green pixels or specks like if the scanner just picked up an excess of information in the green. the image itself is being affected by it but only in close to the edge i believe and in the shadows and blacks.
i got an it8 target a friend and tried to profile the scanner within vuescan as the other ways i read about where complicated and dididnt really work out for me, but still the colour shift is very minimal and the green is still there.
You may want to uninstall, wipe the HD's free space, defrag the HD, or similar procedure to force the computer to write fresh files not toggle free space available flag to in use at the beginning of the existing files.
im reinstalling vuescan to see if that helps.... if not ill try silverfast so i can confirm if its the software or the scanner itself. the image looks decent at that size but if you zoom in even just a bit you see that the green pixels are in the shadows on the image as well and not just on the border.
An after thought. You may need an older version of Vuescan that is more compatible with your operating system. The newest version sometimes does not work well. You may need to turn off your antivirus software before installing the scan software also.
i did reinstall vuescan and it changed the preview completely, not sure if its better or worse. when i reinstall i get a "regular green" but the image looks faded and not very acurate. after i calibrate the scanner through vuescan the green turns pixelated and the colours looks genraly better but the green spills into the image.
I think at this point I'd return the scanner after making sure the OS or video card software did not have some auto adjust function running in the background that is hidden or overlooked. The bright sky and clouds look good but the rest of the photo is questionable.
I am using Vuescan with a Nikon LS4000 scanner.
Please could someone tell me what the flashing cursor that appears on the preview is? Am sure it is very simple but can't find anything about it in the Vuescan Help
10:38AM, 21 January 2013 PDT(permalink)
Are you talking about the circle with the F in it? That's the point at which the scanner will focus on the film.
Are you talking about the marching ants? That's the crop box.
If it's not those two I don't know, my scanners don't show an actual cursor.
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The circle with the F!! Thanks so much - is there an advantage for choosing a particular spot for the scanner to focus - I thought it would just focus on the whole area?
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Sorry I haven't seen your reply for a while.
You can choose a focus point if a certain part of the image is more important than the rest. I usually leave it about 1/3rd of the way across right to left (landscape orientation) and halfway up and down. The reason I don't go dead center is that I want it to focus towards the middle of the curve (more pronounced with mounted slides) and this is about the halfway point between near and far in relation to the film to the sensor. I haven't had to move that point for a very long time.
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I have used VueScan since it was first released. It is excellent and has worked without any problems with every scanner I have owned (Canon, Epson, and HP). It is updated frequently to add new scanners. Support is also excellent.
I have used VueScan for years and it has worked with almost everything. I have had at least 3 Cannon flatbed scanners during that time and it worked perfectly with every one. I highly recommend their software and the developer regularly updates the program.
I was going to purchase a license but just before I did Fujitsu announced that it changed its mind, probably due to the overwhelmingly negative response from its customers and in the digital press, forums, etc.
I bought VueScan years ago (perhaps working on decades now). I found that Epson Scan worked better for multiple negative strips on my new Epson scanner, but otherwise VueScan has exceeded all expectations for any of my scanners over the years.
I was in that position as well, and thankfully Fujitsu changed direction and reinstated support for the excellent ScanSnap S1500M that has been on my desk since 2011. It was much better than their previous offer, which was to offer something like a 20% discount off MSRP on a new scanner that pretty much performed the same functions but had newer plastic.
I happened to have a Raspberry Pi next to my desk which runs a webcam. I connected the LiDE 30 and installed scanimage on the Pi. Since the Pi is headless I had to run scanimage via an SSH session. Finding that to be inconvenient I wrote a shell script on the Mac that runs scanimage via SSH.
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