has jaring finally stop jaring's users from sending mail via smtp.jaring.my from streamyx node?
sEabrEEzE
streamyx.
error message "relaying denied. ip name lookup failed"!!
even with authentication turned on.
i suppose i have to stop using my jaring email now.
or can tmnet do something about this ip name lookup thingy??
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FKP
"The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'Jaring', Server:
'smtp.jaring.my', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error:
535, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"
Looks like we have to activate the roaming service (RM10.00 per month) in
order to send mail. Is there another way? Can the experts help please?
"sEabrEEzE" <sEab...@Earthling.nEt> wrote in message
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Albert
Since August sending via smtp in Jaring is password protected if you
dont use jaring.
Albert
Dave Baker
>Noone seems to read the Jaring messages.....
Did everyone get them? Personally I have a UUCP account, so I don't care, but
I know a couple of others who haven't received notice. and I didn't receive
anything either.
Dave
Speed
mails just go to tools>send & receive mail>receive all and click on it.
Then send your mails. It works for me.
I read sometime back a post here saying there was a notice posted in jaring
website to use this method, way back in January 2003. I think the notice is
no more there.
"Dave Baker" <dpb...@streamyx.com> wrote in message
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FKP
***
"Subject : SMTP Authentication for Roaming Subscribers.
1. This message is addressed to JARING Roaming subscribers who use
JARING SMTP servers (smtp.jaring.my) to send out e-mail.
2. Effective from 4th August, 2003, JARING Roaming subscribers will
have to use SMTP Authentication in order to send out their email
through JARING SMTP servers. This is to replace the existing method
because the new method is more simple and secure.
3. Thus, subscribers who are connected directly to JARING network
will not be affected and can use JARING SMTP servers as usual.
4. Subscribers need to make configuration at their client software to
enable smtp authentication .
5. For details on SMTP Authentication and how to make configuration at
client software , please refer to :
http://www.jaring.my/corporate/roaming/smtpauth.html
6. Thank You.
JARING Network Operation Center"
***
Note that it refers to Roaming subscribers. I presume that many like me have
not activated roaming. Doing so incurs a charge of RM10.00 per month.
Before I activate roaming, I have set up my account for smtp authentication
as per Jaring's recommendation. Problem is that now I am receiving all
messages that have been sent several days before, including some that have
not been deleted from my mailbox. However, I still cannot send mail out.
My question is, must I activate roaming? I don't want to spend that RM 10.00
and still not be able to send my mail.
FKP
"Albert" <bo...@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
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sEabrEEzE
Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:26:24 +0800, i heard Albert
snored loudly in message<lhrriv05pgm03i23k...@4ax.com>:
>Noone seems to read the Jaring messages.....
>
>Since August sending via smtp in Jaring is password protected if you
>dont use jaring.
it is not that no one seem to read Jaring's announcement.
in the announcement, jaring was silent on those streamyx
users who are still using their jaring account to collect
and send email address.
jaring has done away with the old method of retrive and
then send mail. and in its place has set up smtp
authentication for roaming users. since it has set
up authentication, why have it for roaming users only?
since now jaring can check users using their smtp
servers, they should allow their users to send via their
smtp servers no matter which isp their users use.
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snored loudly in message<3f2e46d3$1...@news.tm.net.my>:
>I read sometime back a post here saying there was a notice posted in jaring
>website to use this method, way back in January 2003. I think the notice is
>no more there.
this method has been stopped by jaring from today.
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>My question is, must I activate roaming? I don't want to spend that RM 10.00
>and still not be able to send my mail.
at rm10.00 a month i would consider alternative email services
that does not bind one to a particluar ISP.
trouble is, which one is reliable??
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>I have read the Jaring announcement which I copy below.
>2. Effective from 4th August, 2003, JARING Roaming subscribers will
>have to use SMTP Authentication in order to send out their email
>through JARING SMTP servers. This is to replace the existing method
>because the new method is more simple and secure.
Ok, I'll ask the obvious question (cc'd to noc who will probably ignore me).
Does "JARING Roaming subscribers" include those of us who have Jaring
accounts that we access through Streamyx? In effect we are roaming.
(By the way - has anyone tested this? I just had a go & get the following:
334 535 5.7.9 authentication failed)
Dave
CCChow
It still came back to square one.. STILL CANNOT SEND MAILS.
What is all these MESS??? being a Jaring subscriber and yet cannot make use
of Jaring to send mails via Streamyx.
Any solutions to this beside donated RM10.00 to Jaring??
"sEabrEEzE" <sEab...@Earthling.nEt> wrote in message
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Adam Testad
In article <4srsiv0ng0d1fet34...@4ax.com>, sEabrEEzE (sEab...@Earthling.nEt) writes:
>while trying to doze in jaring.pcbase on
>Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:10:16 +0800, i heard FKP
>snored loudly in message<3f2e5b38$1...@news.tm.net.my>:
>
>
>>My question is, must I activate roaming? I don't want to spend that RM 10.00
>>and still not be able to send my mail.
>
>at rm10.00 a month i would consider alternative email services
>that does not bind one to a particluar ISP.
>
>trouble is, which one is reliable??
Runbox.com in Norway.
And it works with Streamyx to send and receive.
With e.g. Pegasus you can still retrieve email from Jaring and send
out through smtp.runbox.com if you use username and password
authentication for sending out mail through their smtp server.
With Eudora you would have to keep to runbox only if you use
Streamyx since Eudora does not permit separate username for in and
out mail.. Pegasus allows that.
You can try Runbox for a month free of charge. Costs is around 30US
= 10 RM per month. Lower if 3 years subscription.
Maximum mail box size = 100 MByte and 200 MByte if you sign up for
3 years.
Free spam and virus check on mail in their mailboxes.
I have had it for around half a year and so far always works.
I have now tried Postcast and Advanced Mail server. Both free local
SMTP servers and found that it works less and less and less for
each day. More and more invisible spaghetti labyrinth rules for
SMTP sending on more and more ISP:s. Postcast on some machines
make email disappear without a trace in spite of lots of security
features and notification rules etc. It just does not work in
todays more complicated STMP internet systems.
The Advanced Mail Server is a joke. Almost no settings. It plain
simply does not work on most machines, nowadays.
These local SMTP softwares were designed to function in the last
century only.
But runbox so far no problem. Functions with Jaring, Tm.net,
Streamyx with sending only or both receiving sending.
All the best and hope it helps / Adam T.
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>What is all these MESS??? being a Jaring subscriber and yet cannot make use
>of Jaring to send mails via Streamyx.
You can still use the TMNet smtp server - no real problem here, as
long as the server doesn't fall over (which it often does).
>Any solutions to this beside donated RM10.00 to Jaring??
That won't be an option for me - Jaring gets none of my money if I can
help it.
A few choices:
1) Use TMNet smtp server.
2) Set up your own smtp server.
3) Buy an ISP-independent account so it doesn't matter which ISP you
dial through, and gradually move all your contacts over to the new
account, then tell Jaring where to shove it.
Dave
FKP
> >Any solutions to this beside donated RM10.00 to Jaring??
>
> That won't be an option for me - Jaring gets none of my money if I can
> help it.
I'm a low end user so spam always outnumbers real mail for me. Jaring's been
ok for me, and they are just trying to get back some lost income (remember
we paid 1?? sen per minute of access, now nothing) but I feel RM10.00 is a
bit much.
>
> A few choices:
>
> 1) Use TMNet smtp server.
> 2) Set up your own smtp server.
> 3) Buy an ISP-independent account so it doesn't matter which ISP you
> dial through, and gradually move all your contacts over to the new
> account, then tell Jaring where to shove it.
>
> Dave
Option 3 sounds good. What's it cost?
I've been reading posts re Mozilla 1.4 so maybe now's the time to change
engines and addresses (sigh! after 15+ years with the old address).
FKP
Sean Lie
They explained to me the reason that we cannot send email from Streamyx line
after Jaring enable the smtp server
authentication is due to problem at TMnet side.
I was able to send email at about 1:41 am this morning.....the technician
told me it has nothing to do with enabling the global roaming.
I will cancel my Jaring account if they charge me 10.00 RM/month just to
send out email from their server with roaming enable.
24.00 RM per annum for the mail box I can except....but 10.00/month just to
send out email? No way......
So now, TMnet(Total Moron net) seems to have the problem solved.
We can send out mail thru Jaring server with smtp server authentication.
Malaysia Boleh..............@NOT!
"sEabrEEzE" <sEab...@Earthling.nEt> wrote in message
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FKP
Technical in the first place. Looks like I get to keep my address after all.
FKP
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Dave Baker
>I'm a low end user so spam always outnumbers real mail for me. Jaring's been
>ok for me, and they are just trying to get back some lost income (remember
>we paid 1?? sen per minute of access, now nothing) but I feel RM10.00 is a
>bit much.
It's not nothing - they are still getting RM20/annum. How much of your time
is spent sending emails? I am a heavy user, but I'm probably only connected
to the email server for outgoing mail for 1 or 2 minutes per day. At 1 sen
per minute, that's only RM8/annum! :-)
If you can't use smtp remotely any more, then it's a waste of time paying the
20 ringgit annually.
>> 3) Buy an ISP-independent account so it doesn't matter which ISP you
>> dial through, and gradually move all your contacts over to the new
>> account, then tell Jaring where to shove it.
>Option 3 sounds good. What's it cost?
I use nerraw, but there are other options - techbyte maybe. Not sure about
how to use smtp through these 2, as I use uucp at the moment.
Dave
David Baker
<NOse...@tm.net.mySPAM> wrote:
>I just got off the phone with JARING Techinical.....
>They explained to me the reason that we cannot send email from Streamyx line
>after Jaring enable the smtp server
>authentication is due to problem at TMnet side.
Any more details on this? Pegasus doesn't give a whole lot of
information on why sending fails, so I just had a go sending using
Outlook Express. I get the following:
Server: 'smtp.jaring.my'. Protocol: SMTP. Cannot resolve PTR record
for 219.94.116.xx
(where xx matches the last 2 digits of my public IP address).
If I enable authentication I get a different error:
'550 5.7.1 Access denied"
If I enable "Secure Password Authentication" I still get the same
error as just above.
So, I'm talking to the Jaring smtp server, but it's not letting me
send. What does TMNet have to change to allow us to send?
Dave
Sean Lie
Jaring said that TMnet does not allow their user to access Jaring Mail
Server with authentication enable.
I dunno what TMnet did to allow me to access smtp.jaring.my this morning.
Apparently not now! Gee....Total Moron at work.
The message could not be sent because the server rejected the sender's
e-mail address. The sender's e-mail address was 'sea...@xx.xxxxxx.my'.
Subject 'test', Account: 'JARING Mail', Server: 'smtp.jaring.my', Protocol:
SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 Access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC78
Sean
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FKP
time I start Outlook Express, it downloads the whole lot of mail that I
already received this morning. And I still cannot send out. Error message as
follows:
" The message could not be sent because the server rejected the sender's
e-mail address. The sender's e-mail address was XX...@pc.jaring.my. Subject
'Jaring mail test', Account: 'Jaring', Server: 'smtp.jaring.my', Protocol:
SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 Access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC78 "
Is SSL supposed to be "No"?
FKP
David Baker
<NOse...@tm.net.mySPAM> wrote:
>It's screwed up again.......I cannot send now either.
>
>Jaring said that TMnet does not allow their user to access Jaring Mail
>Server with authentication enable.
>I dunno what TMnet did to allow me to access smtp.jaring.my this morning.
>Apparently not now! Gee....Total Moron at work.
>
>
>The message could not be sent because the server rejected the sender's
>e-mail address. The sender's e-mail address was 'sea...@xx.xxxxxx.my'.
>Subject 'test', Account: 'JARING Mail', Server: 'smtp.jaring.my', Protocol:
>SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 Access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
>Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC78
Sounds more like a Jaring problem than a TMNet problem to this
untrained eye - the jaring smtp server is saying "access denied".
Shouldn't be anything to do with TMNet...
Dave
Sean Lie
They just pointing fingers to each other......as usual.
A lot of people called up Jaring to complain so they said.
Sean
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Sean Lie
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Sweehem Goh
server program. Your PC or Notebook will act as smtp server, don't
have to rely on ISPs' smtp servers!
Rgds, Sweehem
Sean Lie
I just need to reply from Jaring Mail Server......sometimes, to those who
emailed me to that address.
I can always use Jaring Webmail to access the account... ;o))
I have tmnet and streamyx emails too.....
Rgds,
Sean
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red406
sEabrEEzE
snored loudly in message<43...@testad.pc.my>:
>
>In article <4srsiv0ng0d1fet34...@4ax.com>, sEabrEEzE (sEab...@Earthling.nEt) writes:
>>
>>trouble is, which one is reliable??
>
>Runbox.com in Norway.
>
thanks, but i was thinking of local providers.
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Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:25:06 +0800, i heard Sean Lie
snored loudly in message<3f2f3...@news.tm.net.my>:
>It's screwed up again.......I cannot send now either.
>
>Jaring said that TMnet does not allow their user to access Jaring Mail
>Server with authentication enable.
>I dunno what TMnet did to allow me to access smtp.jaring.my this morning.
>Apparently not now! Gee....Total Moron at work.
according to my error log:
3856 8:0.0 Dialog: "Can't send to 'xx...@hotpop.com'. The server
gives this reason: '550 5.7.1 <xx...@hotpop.com>... Relaying denied.
IP name lookup failed [219.95.184.189]'."
so it seem to be a name lookup thing. so when is tmnet going
to do something about this ip name lookup thing??
who are we suppose to approach with about this problem and do they
care??
i have also tried to register a mail account with www.myrealbox.com
while on streamyx. the registration failed becoz www.myrealbox.com
could not do a ip name lookup to my ip number.
but since jaring is using smtp ***authentication*** does it matter
if the ip name lookup fail?? if my email client can give the correct
username/password pair to the smtp server, it means that i am a jaring
user, so why need the ip name lookup?
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access your Jaring mail account thru the webmail interface at www.jaring.my
@ the top righthand corner.
If all else failed, just cancel the bloody account. That's what I'll do.
I got before August 19 to do that....signed up on 19 August 1998.
This is Malaysia....you know....we Malaysians have all the patience in the
world.
Cos we have lots of companies like TMnet...Astro...blah blah blah...all
monopoly!
No sense blowing your fuses over these...ain't it?
Just my 2ยข
Lim Chan Hiok
When you use a software SMTP server, your return email address will
still be the same.
>I can always use Jaring Webmail to access the account... ;o))
>I have tmnet and streamyx emails too.....
>
>Rgds,
>Sean
>
>
>"Sweehem Goh" <swe...@tm.net.my> wrote in message
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>Just go to http://www.postcastserver.com/ and download the free smtp
>server program. Your PC or Notebook will act as smtp server, don't
>have to rely on ISPs' smtp servers!
>
>Rgds, Sweehem
>
>On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:41:30 +0800, "Sean Lie"
><NOse...@tm.net.mySPAM> wrote:
>
>
There's a smaller sized freeware SMTP server by softstack.com called
Advanced SMTP server. only 670Kb. Very easy to setup. Just rename your
outgoing SMTP server to 'localhost'.
http://www.softstack.com/advsmtp.html
Hope this helps.
Hiok
Paul Tan
servers out there like sendmail or postfix or exim. They might be able to be
compiled on Mac OS X.
Try to do a google on them.
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whiterose
Well, Jaring implement new policy which is, jaring email cant send out if u
r
using another isp to connect. Mean that, we cant use smtp.jaring.my for
outgoingmail server, but, must use smtp.stremyx.com. And, under email
address, must use streamyx address & under reply address only can put our
jaring address.
Patrick
wrote:
>A few choices:
>
>3) Buy an ISP-independent account so it doesn't matter which ISP you
>dial through, and gradually move all your contacts over to the new
>account, then tell Jaring where to shove it.
Most webhosting company in Malaysia is already offering this for RM200
a year.
Patrick
wrote:
>Option 3 sounds good. What's it cost?
>
RM200 a year.
David Baker
wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:55:46 +0800, David Baker <mv...@tm.net.my>
>wrote:
>>3) Buy an ISP-independent account so it doesn't matter which ISP you
>>dial through, and gradually move all your contacts over to the new
>>account, then tell Jaring where to shove it.
>Most webhosting company in Malaysia is already offering this for RM200
>a year.
Any reliable ones that include an SMTP server? I'm currently with
Nerraw for my incoming email, but they don't have an SMTP server - I'd
like something that allows me 100% ISP independence.
Dave
S.H.Gan
>
> Any reliable ones that include an SMTP server? I'm currently with
> Nerraw for my incoming email, but they don't have an SMTP server - I'd
> like something that allows me 100% ISP independence.
My company is subscribed to a webhosting + email package in Emerge now.
They are running on IceWarp Email Server.
The service is so far so good. But once in a while, the routing has problems
on the TMnet side, although a minor one.
Go to www.webhosting.com.my for details.
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David Baker
>Go to www.webhosting.com.my for details.
Ok, I will - I had a quick look, but couldn't see any mention of SMTP
servers...
Dave
S.H.Gan
Yes, they did not mention it. Just give them a call or email them for
more info.
E-Mail: sa...@emerge.com.my
Phone: 03 7880 5580
You can even contact them via the Live Chat Service during office ours.
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>
> You can even contact them via the Live Chat Service during office ours.
Oops!
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Patrick
wrote:
>Any reliable ones that include an SMTP server? I'm currently with
>Nerraw for my incoming email, but they don't have an SMTP server - I'd
>like something that allows me 100% ISP independence.
Yes, ours comes with smtp server.
http://www.interplay.com.my/webhosting.htm
