Peter Damiber, TLDA Director is being censored from posting to the board list
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Joe Baptista
Jun 21, 2009, 3:36:28 PM6/21/09
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David:
I am sending the message below to you and ask that you post it to the board list.
Peter Dambier is being censored from posting to the list.
The message below was posted at 8:43 AM. I'm think the time stamp is european time. Peter would know for sure when he posted it. But right now it is 3:34 PM EST and the message is not yet posted to the board list.
Please check the list yourself to confirm.
http://tldainc.org/pipermail/board_tldainc.org/2009-June/thread.html
You also receive the board list so you would know if you have seen Peter message show up. If I am wrong in my assumption that Peter is being censored please let me know.
But I fear Mr. Dambier, one of our elected directors, is being censored from posting to the board list.
Please make sure his message is posted to the board list. Please make sure he is not censored and his voice is heard.
cheers
joe
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I am sending the message below to you and ask that you post it to the board list.
Peter Dambier is being censored from posting to the list.
The message below was posted at 8:43 AM. I'm think the time stamp is european time. Peter would know for sure when he posted it. But right now it is 3:34 PM EST and the message is not yet posted to the board list.
Please check the list yourself to confirm.
http://tldainc.org/pipermail/board_tldainc.org/2009-June/thread.html
You also receive the board list so you would know if you have seen Peter message show up. If I am wrong in my assumption that Peter is being censored please let me know.
But I fear Mr. Dambier, one of our elected directors, is being censored from posting to the board list.
Please make sure his message is posted to the board list. Please make sure he is not censored and his voice is heard.
cheers
joe
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Peter Dambier <pe...@peter-dambier.de>
Date: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Subject: Objection: [Board] .Motion to remove Joe Baptista from TLDA membership
To: bo...@tldainc.org
Cc: Joe Baptista <bapt...@publicroot.org>, Gene Marsh <mar...@anycast.net>
Karl, I can understand you and Joe are not exactly friends.
Nevertheless in the Pirates Party Joe is seen as a hero.
You cannot remove a hero without causing a lot of damage.
We did have exactly that very same situation in the german government
right now.
Joerg Tauss from the social democrats, the SPD who is leading germany
together with the christian democrats or conservatives CDU, left his
party because they introduced censoring in germany.
Tauss joined the Pirates. Now we do have a Pirate in the federal
government in Berlin. It was not expected that early.
The beancounters indicate already an eartquake. Most likely the
the SPD will not be part of the next government to be elected within
two month. We never imagined the Pirates would be but several
people from different parties already started knocking at our door.
I am sure kicking Joe will result in an earthquake. That is why
I oppose.
Kind regards
Peter and Karin
Karl E. Peters wrote:
> Mr. Baptista and members of the TLDA Board,
> IF any of these (below) accusations had anything to do with the
> operation of the TLDA, it might actually be worth chasing down for the
> sake of gossip. On the same grounds, it would have been interesting to
> know why you really left that last place of residence there in Canada
> without notice to the owners and what your actual financial status is.
> Perhaps it is your own hurt that makes you so determined to inflict
> useless and immaterial pain on others. None-the-less, Bradley did in
> fact send the check for $100 to me, and after waiting a long time for
> Gene to determine what to do with it, the Board acted to send it to
> David Scott, which I did, along with numerous documents required for the
> setting up of an account for the TLDA. David says he never received it
> and that is fine. If and when he does, I am sure he will return it.
> When your irrelevant attacks were only against me, I was OK with
> simply placing moderation on your posting to TLDA, Inc. lists. When,
> after so many warnings, the same tactics persist, it is time to consider
> removal from the organization and that is what I now propose here to the
> sitting president and the sitting Board of the TLDA, Inc., that you, Joe
> Baptista, be permanently removed from the membership of the TLDA, Inc.
> on the grounds of a long-term pattern of willful destruction and
> distraction aimed at destabilizing and hurting the organization. I fully
> recognize that you will continue to seek dirt and throw speculation into
> the air on your own time, but we should not have to call you a member in
> the meantime. I am very slow to make this recommendation, as we are a
> membership organization; but when one can drive away many, it is better
> to remove one than lose the constructive potential of the many.
> All this said, I hereby move that Joe Baptista be permanently
> removed from membership in the Top Level Domain Association, Inc. for
> the sake of the ongoing work of the organization during this very
> important time. We can not afford time and energy thinking about such
> distraction.
>
> Karl E. Peters, Member of the Board
> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.
> 620 Sea Island Road, #123
> St. Simons Island, GA 31522 USA
>
> Tel.: (912) 638-1638
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [TLDA Public] The cheque is in the mail says the TLDA to David
>> Scott. Bull is my reply - the money is gone - INSIDE SCOOP
>> From: Joe Baptista <bapt...@publicroot.org>
>> Date: Sun, June 21, 2009 3:36 am
>> To: tlda-m...@googlegroups.com, pub...@tldainc.org,
>> mar...@anycast.net
>> Folks:
>> When I raised money for the TLDA it was not my intention it be squandered.
>> From the conversations I have seen online I speculate any monies raised are
>> gone. Up in smoke. I'm speculating - but - I know Brad well and I'm
>> certain the funds have been redirected into his pocket considering his
>> circumstances.
>> Why?
>> Bradley Thornton lost his business. His inventory was seized by the local
>> sheriffs department in San Bernadino California. This is now the third time
>> a business venture of Brads has gone tits up. Next - he'll be loosing the
>> home his father left him.
>> He basically can't pay his bills. The people who he purchased the business
>> from he never paid in accordance with the agreement he made with them. It's
>> very sad. They basically lost their retirement because of this.
>> Since Brad has gotten into te habit of calling me a liar I present the
>> facts. To confirm what I have said you only have to call the Court Clerk in
>> Joshua Tree California (760) 366-5770 and ask for file no. CIV MS 800330.
>> Or you can call Sergeant Waitfchies in San Bernadino California (909)
>> 387-5836 and ask for file no. CIV MS 800330 / 09-6872 to confirm the
>> seizure. The title of the court action is Mistal v. Thornton.
>> Or you can call Brads store at (760) 365-6100 and listen to the recorded
>> announcement.
>> Basically Brad failed to pay the people he purchased the store from. Brad
>> sold all the inventory. Spent all the money and left them with nothing.
>> That means Brad is hurtin real bad.and I would not be surprised the 140 or
>> so bucks that were contributed are long gone. Petty theft. Not really
>> worth while pursuing.
>> My only hope is that he spent the money on food for himself and his little
>> girl and not on ganga, which is most likely the case.
>> Now - to prove this all any director has to do is demand a copy of the bank
>> and paypal statement of activity. Thats all monies deposited and paid out
>> from either account. It's your right as a director to have this information
>> sent to you privately.
>> I see Karl and Brad playing a game of ping pong - your cheque is in the mail
>> - but we haveno bananas today.
>> David. Please hold on to Hugh's cheque and ask him what he wants you to do
>> with it. I don't think any cheques should be sent to brad until the
>> directors review the accounts. It's not going to benefit the organization.
>> And Gene Marsh - el president in charge - I would like you to dig into your
>> pocket and repay David Scott what he is owed. Gene - this happened on your
>> watch. Your responsible for this travesty. Your the fool who wanted the
>> hot seat. Now take some initiative before this organization gets labeled a
>> stable of deadbeats.
>> This is now the second time a director has stolen money. First it was karl
>> - now it is brad. Very sad state of affairs.
>> cheers
>> joe baptista
>> --
>> Joe Baptista
>> www.publicroot.org
>> PublicRoot Consortium
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>> Accountable to the Internet community @large.
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>> Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084
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>> >
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From: Peter Dambier <pe...@peter-dambier.de>
Date: Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Subject: Objection: [Board] .Motion to remove Joe Baptista from TLDA membership
To: bo...@tldainc.org
Cc: Joe Baptista <bapt...@publicroot.org>, Gene Marsh <mar...@anycast.net>
Karl, I can understand you and Joe are not exactly friends.
Nevertheless in the Pirates Party Joe is seen as a hero.
You cannot remove a hero without causing a lot of damage.
We did have exactly that very same situation in the german government
right now.
Joerg Tauss from the social democrats, the SPD who is leading germany
together with the christian democrats or conservatives CDU, left his
party because they introduced censoring in germany.
Tauss joined the Pirates. Now we do have a Pirate in the federal
government in Berlin. It was not expected that early.
The beancounters indicate already an eartquake. Most likely the
the SPD will not be part of the next government to be elected within
two month. We never imagined the Pirates would be but several
people from different parties already started knocking at our door.
I am sure kicking Joe will result in an earthquake. That is why
I oppose.
Kind regards
Peter and Karin
Karl E. Peters wrote:
> Mr. Baptista and members of the TLDA Board,
> IF any of these (below) accusations had anything to do with the
> operation of the TLDA, it might actually be worth chasing down for the
> sake of gossip. On the same grounds, it would have been interesting to
> know why you really left that last place of residence there in Canada
> without notice to the owners and what your actual financial status is.
> Perhaps it is your own hurt that makes you so determined to inflict
> useless and immaterial pain on others. None-the-less, Bradley did in
> fact send the check for $100 to me, and after waiting a long time for
> Gene to determine what to do with it, the Board acted to send it to
> David Scott, which I did, along with numerous documents required for the
> setting up of an account for the TLDA. David says he never received it
> and that is fine. If and when he does, I am sure he will return it.
> When your irrelevant attacks were only against me, I was OK with
> simply placing moderation on your posting to TLDA, Inc. lists. When,
> after so many warnings, the same tactics persist, it is time to consider
> removal from the organization and that is what I now propose here to the
> sitting president and the sitting Board of the TLDA, Inc., that you, Joe
> Baptista, be permanently removed from the membership of the TLDA, Inc.
> on the grounds of a long-term pattern of willful destruction and
> distraction aimed at destabilizing and hurting the organization. I fully
> recognize that you will continue to seek dirt and throw speculation into
> the air on your own time, but we should not have to call you a member in
> the meantime. I am very slow to make this recommendation, as we are a
> membership organization; but when one can drive away many, it is better
> to remove one than lose the constructive potential of the many.
> All this said, I hereby move that Joe Baptista be permanently
> removed from membership in the Top Level Domain Association, Inc. for
> the sake of the ongoing work of the organization during this very
> important time. We can not afford time and energy thinking about such
> distraction.
>
> Karl E. Peters, Member of the Board
> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.
> 620 Sea Island Road, #123
> St. Simons Island, GA 31522 USA
>
> Tel.: (912) 638-1638
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [TLDA Public] The cheque is in the mail says the TLDA to David
>> Scott. Bull is my reply - the money is gone - INSIDE SCOOP
>> From: Joe Baptista <bapt...@publicroot.org>
>> Date: Sun, June 21, 2009 3:36 am
>> To: tlda-m...@googlegroups.com, pub...@tldainc.org,
>> mar...@anycast.net
>> Folks:
>> When I raised money for the TLDA it was not my intention it be squandered.
>> From the conversations I have seen online I speculate any monies raised are
>> gone. Up in smoke. I'm speculating - but - I know Brad well and I'm
>> certain the funds have been redirected into his pocket considering his
>> circumstances.
>> Why?
>> Bradley Thornton lost his business. His inventory was seized by the local
>> sheriffs department in San Bernadino California. This is now the third time
>> a business venture of Brads has gone tits up. Next - he'll be loosing the
>> home his father left him.
>> He basically can't pay his bills. The people who he purchased the business
>> from he never paid in accordance with the agreement he made with them. It's
>> very sad. They basically lost their retirement because of this.
>> Since Brad has gotten into te habit of calling me a liar I present the
>> facts. To confirm what I have said you only have to call the Court Clerk in
>> Joshua Tree California (760) 366-5770 and ask for file no. CIV MS 800330.
>> Or you can call Sergeant Waitfchies in San Bernadino California (909)
>> 387-5836 and ask for file no. CIV MS 800330 / 09-6872 to confirm the
>> seizure. The title of the court action is Mistal v. Thornton.
>> Or you can call Brads store at (760) 365-6100 and listen to the recorded
>> announcement.
>> Basically Brad failed to pay the people he purchased the store from. Brad
>> sold all the inventory. Spent all the money and left them with nothing.
>> That means Brad is hurtin real bad.and I would not be surprised the 140 or
>> so bucks that were contributed are long gone. Petty theft. Not really
>> worth while pursuing.
>> My only hope is that he spent the money on food for himself and his little
>> girl and not on ganga, which is most likely the case.
>> Now - to prove this all any director has to do is demand a copy of the bank
>> and paypal statement of activity. Thats all monies deposited and paid out
>> from either account. It's your right as a director to have this information
>> sent to you privately.
>> I see Karl and Brad playing a game of ping pong - your cheque is in the mail
>> - but we haveno bananas today.
>> David. Please hold on to Hugh's cheque and ask him what he wants you to do
>> with it. I don't think any cheques should be sent to brad until the
>> directors review the accounts. It's not going to benefit the organization.
>> And Gene Marsh - el president in charge - I would like you to dig into your
>> pocket and repay David Scott what he is owed. Gene - this happened on your
>> watch. Your responsible for this travesty. Your the fool who wanted the
>> hot seat. Now take some initiative before this organization gets labeled a
>> stable of deadbeats.
>> This is now the second time a director has stolen money. First it was karl
>> - now it is brad. Very sad state of affairs.
>> cheers
>> joe baptista
>> --
>> Joe Baptista
>> www.publicroot.org
>> PublicRoot Consortium
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative &
>> Accountable to the Internet community @large.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052)
>> Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084
>> Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com
>> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Bo...@tldainc.org
> http://tldainc.org/mailman/listinfo/board_tldainc.org
--
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Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana
Rimbacher Strasse 16
D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher
+49(6209)795-816 (Telekom)
+49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de)
mail: pe...@peter-dambier.de
http://www.peter-dambier.de/
http://iason.site.voila.fr/
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www.publicroot.org
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