View this page "Fees/Billing"

[John Martinek]

I am working on trying to figure out a way to estimate the cost of the
different variations of our workshops in a semi consistent way. Take
a look at this page. The fees are most likely way too high. I just
put them in for a starting point - thnx John

Click on http://groups.google.com/group/tinycircustalk/web/fees-billing
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.

[Jason Reitz]

John,

 

Looks like some serious thought went into the finicial feasability of the circus....  Good job putting this down and getting the discussion started.  I have a couple of things to put in here.

 

1.  Transportation if you are going to bill them for transportation reimbursement their might be some actual legal constraints, like a per mile payment, I know from working at a university this was the case, so something to ask people when you bill them, otherwise you could get around it by an in state out of state fee based scale.  Also might want to just charge a per mile fee, this makes it simple to figure and easy for people to understand.

 

2.  I think billing per person is a good idea, but I would start with a flat what it costs the circus to go, that would cover the costs associated with things and then charge per person the hourly fee that the circus would decide that they want.  OK so for example under workshops you have one person 200 and two people 400, but then it changes to 500 for three.  I would suggest having a basic fee, of say 100 bucks to show up and then pay the amount of people per hour.  I would also have minimum amounts of people or payment on these, so like a 5 day workshop probably wont work with just one person.  Might also look at having a per participant ratio to help figure the number of people and therefore cost.

 

3.  About the copyrighting of things, I personally thing that everything created should be licensed under the creative commons license, give people some legal grounding, but also fits in line with the goal or vision of the circus from what I know from the summer. 

 

4.  My last thing is to keep it simple for us and for them, and have the billing fit the discussion of what will take place at the workshop so it can adapt.

 

Good work if this isnt clear let me know and as far as not know what it will cost for a year, that is OK, but it also depends on if this is going to be peoples livelyhood or just trying to cover costs.  So if Carlos or Greta or anyone is going to get paid out of this, then its going to get into a different game were you will need to figure in an admin fee to everything involved.  Like the outdoor place I worked at figured in 12-18% on everything.  So find some place to fit that in.

 

OK thats my part, peace all.

Jason

[John Martinek]

Thanks Jason,  This is helpful - I will try to rework this based on your ideas.  And put out a round 2 revised version soon.  Then we can tweak it from there.  Ultimately each situation will have variables that will have to be adjusted, when we know exactly what the requirments are, but this should create a good base to work from.  

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From: Jason Reitz <jasonde...@gmail.com>
To: John Martinek <jnmar...@yahoo.com>
Cc: TinyCircusTalk <tinycir...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 7:25:11 PM
Subject: [tinycircustalk:132] Re: View this page "Fees/Billing"

[amy santoferraro]

john, your brain is just about as big as your cleavage.  my brain is still trying to get through the first version.  maybe round 2 will clear things up for me a bit, good job getting it all down. best, amy www.mysanto.com     --- On Mon, 10/26/09, John Martinek <jnmar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[jasch...@gmail.com]

This is great John,
Quick question. What, exactly does "general consulting" entail? That
is the only place that caught my eye as vague. Who would TC be
consulting for? How does that fit into the TC mission?

[John Martinek]

To be honest, I'm not really sure - I put it in as kind of a catch all for providing advice and support to people and organizations that might be able to use our developing knowledge and abilities and eventual expertise.  I assume that as we become more knowledgeable about animation and organizing workshops, public events, and spectacles --- certain groups or people may come to us for advice on how to do the same.  I have no doubt that we will donate a lot of free advice to most of the people and groups in keeping with the TC mission, but there may be some groups that we should charge, especially if there is a very large time commitment involved or if the group is planning to charge others or make a profit off of our advice.  I'm not really sure where this will go or how it will develop, but I can imagine being contacted in the future by corporate types wanting to use our skills and abilities.  We may be able to use some of their funding to support our other more benevolent endeavors - highly encourage them to become "donors" so to speak.  We are suddenly becoming very visible, public, and are out there crossing paths with a wide variety of people and organizations (the History Channel contest and Citizen Jane Film Festival being two huge examples of recent mass broad reaching exposure and contact with people of all types who are very involved with film, television, etc.).  Not sure where this will go.........topic of another big discussion.... but the positive public perception of our expertise and abilities combined with that level of visibility and exposure could lead to consulting type offers and requests.

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From: "jasch...@gmail.com" <jasch...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 8:18:31 PM
Subject: [tinycircustalk:135] Discussion on fees-billing